Why are so many people threatened by Vista?

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Tinman

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User said:
PUBLIC doe not infer the right to act like a wild pig, or to deliberately
goad and taunt a group of people who try to help those who ask for it..

Wholly crap. Between the top-posting and the attitudes this is by far the
worst crop of MVPs I have ever witnessed.

What a shame. Isn't anybody minding the store?

(And, no, retaliation is not an excuse. If you can't control yourself you
have no business using the MVP title.)
 
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Gary VanderMolen

Tinman said:
Wholly crap. Between the top-posting and the attitudes this is by far the
worst crop of MVPs I have ever witnessed.

Where have you been, Mike? Microsoft MVPs have always top-posted
in Microsoft newsgroups. Not that I have a problem with it.
When in Rome, do as the Romans.

Gary VanderMolen
 
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Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User

Adam

I don't think that you are impressing too many people, but if it makes you
feel better..

Adam Albright said:
If seems MVP's are the ones trying to taunt and goad starting threads
like this one titled "Why are so many people threatened by Vista?"
Nobody is, what's obvious is some MVP's run away from issues people
raise and try to discredit the people that document problems.

One such example is the blind defense of UAC. You know it flawed.
Microsoft knows it is flawed. Everyone knows it is causing great pain
and distruption to countless users, yet MVPs try to do ridicule and
say we the CUSTOMERS don't understand it. I think we understand all
too well. It badly implementend. What's irony is I'm guess you and
most MVPs have been fooling around with Vista for months, some well
over a year and I discovered more wrong with it then all of you
combined in a just a few days.

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
 
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Alan

For many of the 'purists' who make an issue of top-posting in newsgroups,
whatever reasons there once might have been for bottom-posting are no longer
obvious (if in fact it ever was obvious), and no longer valid.

We are all used to reading business emails, which have been forwarded
ad-infinitum, with the actual message of importance on the very top. Besides
being used to this format in email, it logically makes sense. How can
scrolling down through 3 pages of prior information -- in order to read the
one sentence of importance -- be considered efficient?

The world has changed: Automobile drivers no longer use hand signals; the
grammar police say it's now okay to end a sentence with a preposition (some
claim it was never considered incorrect anyway); and top-posting has become
adopted as the style of choice in newsgroup postings.

Alan
 
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MICHAEL

I've actually grown to like some of your posts, Mike. ;-)
I may have misjudged you being just a typical sycophantic
shill for Microsoft.

However, Adam makes some very valid points, even if he
brings them up constantly- they are still valid. Where I see
the real problem, is how you and other MVPs feel the need
to add to the "disruption" by constantly engaging those that
might carry on a bit much. If you think Adam is a troll, why do
insist on feeding him so much?


Take care,

Michael
 
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HEMI-Powered

Today, Alan made these interesting comments ...
For many of the 'purists' who make an issue of top-posting in
newsgroups, whatever reasons there once might have been for
bottom-posting are no longer obvious (if in fact it ever was
obvious), and no longer valid.

I grew up with top posting E-mails but it wasn't until my ways
were challenged on Usenet that I first discovered bottom posting
as an alternative that allows a reader to first review what was
being replied to. I think that top posting may have had its roots
in the .cc we were all used to in typewritten letters, by
definition those were "top posted" since the "carbon copy(s)"
were really on the bottom, more as attachments.

Then later, I "discovered" interleave posting, as I am doing
here, and the gentle art of snipping so as to eliminate the
replies to replies to replies ad infinatum and ad nauseum.

There are times I still top post today, as well I just want to
very quickly make a statement like "I agree" or "I disagree" and
I still bottom post today when I feel that it is necessary for
readers of my reply to be forced to read what I am replying to.
But, largely, I interleave post, often with snipping, espcially
of my own copied previous testimony.
We are all used to reading business emails, which have been
forwarded ad-infinitum, with the actual message of importance
on the very top. Besides being used to this format in email,
it logically makes sense. How can scrolling down through 3
pages of prior information -- in order to read the one
sentence of importance -- be considered efficient?

please see above for my view of business letter, both traditional
and word processor.
The world has changed: Automobile drivers no longer use hand
signals; the grammar police say it's now okay to end a
sentence with a preposition (some claim it was never
considered incorrect anyway); and top-posting has become
adopted as the style of choice in newsgroup postings.

The world has indeed changed, not only don't drivers use hand
signals, they also don't use electrical turn signals! And, the
grammar police and spelling police are appeasing the laziness of
students and the apathy of parents and school boards, to the
detriment of our student. We cannot always rely on spellung ayndd
gremmer chekkurs. But, I do not at all agree that top posting has
seen a resurgeance. Maybe here, but in the places I frequent - to
the extent there are knowledgeable/enlightened readers and OPs -
top posting is a sure way to getting flamed.
[snip]
 
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Tinman

Gary VanderMolen said:
Where have you been, Mike? Microsoft MVPs have always top-posted
in Microsoft newsgroups. Not that I have a problem with it.
When in Rome, do as the Romans.

It had more to do with their "defending" than the act itself. Seems to only
noise to the group.

On the surface, most people just want to be able to read quickly and move
on. As such a major issue is quoting, or the lack thereof. If someone
top-posts and there is enough text within view to know what/whom they are
writing of, no biggie.

On a deeper level I believe bottom, or more accurately interspersed, posting
fosters better communication. Drive-by one-liners, whether at the top or
bottom show a lack of concern for other readers. I quickly identify people
who do that and generally end up ignoring them (using my brain; I don't use
kill-filters). And I'll do the same to bottom-posters who do little to no
trimming.
 
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Adam Albright

Adam

I don't think that you are impressing too many people, but if it makes you
feel better..

Not why I'm here, that seems to be YOUR purpose, trying to impress
people. You win the fat head award of the month. Enjoy, just pin it
next to your MVP badge you keep shoving in everybody's face.
 
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HEMI-Powered

Today, Tinman made these interesting comments ...
Where have you been, Mike? Microsoft MVPs have always
top-posted in Microsoft newsgroups. Not that I have a problem
with it. When in Rome, do as the Romans.
[snip]
On the surface, most people just want to be able to read
quickly and move on. As such a major issue is quoting, or the
lack thereof. If someone top-posts and there is enough text
within view to know what/whom they are writing of, no biggie.
On a deeper level I believe bottom, or more accurately
interspersed, posting fosters better communication. Drive-by
one-liners, whether at the top or bottom show a lack of
concern for other readers. I quickly identify people who do
that and generally end up ignoring them (using my brain; I
don't use kill-filters). And I'll do the same to
bottom-posters who do little to no trimming.

I strongly agree with this last, Tinman, but had to bottom post to
get there! <grin> I would add that judicious snipping of replies to
replies to replies and irrelevant junk would not only save readers
much time, it would allow someone replying to focus their remarks
to the thing of most importance to them, so I snipped out your
first non-essential paragraph.
 
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Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User

Adam

A couple more steps, and you will be in the gutter.. c'mon, you know you can
do it.. :)


Adam Albright said:
Not why I'm here, that seems to be YOUR purpose, trying to impress
people. You win the fat head award of the month. Enjoy, just pin it
next to your MVP badge you keep shoving in everybody's face.

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
 
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Tinman

I strongly agree with this last, Tinman, but had to bottom post to
get there! <grin>

I would add that judicious snipping of replies to
replies to replies and irrelevant junk would not only save readers
much time, it would allow someone replying to focus their remarks
to the thing of most importance to them

Bingo. Nothing worse than trying to read a post through lines and lines
of text preceded by ">>>>>>>>>>>." This might be what a lot of people
who support top-posting think of when they think of bottom-posting. I
cringe at it too.
 
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johnm

I've always been a big fan of the "I know you are, but what am I?" style of
debate alwys seen here....
<sigh>

beats "liar, liar, pants on fire" I suppose...
 
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dn

If you continue to try to make it personal I will take the time to
report you for you breaking your pledge when you became a MVP. Now
knock it off. I overlooked your previous smart-ass comments to me, no
longer. You're a disgrace to Microsoft. I'm tired of your acting like
a spoiled little primadona that thinks he can bully posters he don't
like. Either act like a MVP is suppose to act or risk getting kicked
out on your ass.


Go away little man....

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