what kind of person

[Ashton Crusher]

You seem to have a habit of sticking your foot in your month. I KNOW
you had to learn that from Justin.


You know what ticks me off? Bozos like you that think this newsgroup
is just suppose to be a fan club for Microsoft loyalists. I'm so sorry
you shorts get all twisted in knots every time somebody documents
another bug or design flaw in Vista. Hint: Discussing such things is
the REAL reason this newsgroup is here, not to bring burnt offerings
to place on the Microsoft alter.

I've noticed that you constantly engage in name calling. DO you think
that somehow validates your view? I also notice that you rarely
answer the question asked, you either ignore it, or you create a straw
man that wasn't asked and then answer that.

I think most people are here for discussion but you don't seem to be
in that category. Your main purpose seems to be MS bashing.

 

[Ashton Crusher]

The idea that screen elements that move on their own represent some kind of
"advance" is like believing that TV baseball broadcasts with high-charged
graphics and sound effects going "WHOOSH" every ten seconds adds to the
experience of watching baseball.

But it's worse with a computer. With the "Explorer-like" pane in Windows
Vista, you're trying to orient yourself in the folder hierarchy and figure
out what's there, and it keeps MOVING horizontally left and right every time
you move up and down in the tree. So in addition to this totally confusing
new operating system that you need to figure out, it also keeps moving on
you.

I noticed that too. But depending on what you are trying to do it can
be a useful feature. When I don't want it I make the left pane wider
to minimize it's occurrence.

 

[Not Me]

I have to support it, so I am running it.
I have run the Beta, RC and release versions.
But I think it sucks and I am NOT recommending it.
I am actually recommending using existing hardware a year longer than was
originally planned to give MS a chance to 'fix' it with a SP or 2.
I am also accelerating my knowledge of Linux and moving some older boxes to
that rather than getting new hardware.

 

[Ashton Crusher]

Hey... you're awfully good at backpedaling too. You learn from Justin?
Something else you have in common with the other Microsoft apologist
crowd. For the record, I don't have any serious problems with Vista.
Surely nothing I couldn't and haven't worked around. However I see a
lot of people that do come here getting the "treatment". Since the
Bozo bunch seem to enjoy picking on newbies and people with real
problems, only fair the whiner's club gets a bit of their own
medicine. Sorry if its a bitter pill to swallow.

You whined at length about the 500 bugs, the 21 years of horrible OSs
from MS, how you had somehow been taken when you bought VISTA and on
and on and now you claim you don't "... have any serious problems with
Vista." Wow, talk about back pedaling!!! You're writing the book on
it.

 

[Lang Murphy]

I have not seen any mindless supporters that would qualify based on
the same traits as the mindless non-supporters. IOW, I'm not seeing
people just saying VISTA is great in response to someone else saying
"why can't I do such and such". Whereas you see a lot of "because
vista sucks" type comments in threads where someone is simply asking
"why am I having trouble copying a DVD".

Fully agree. Good point.

Lang

 

[Bill]

When the Oem's only offer Vista, and you can find only find computers
with Vista installed, I would say that you come pretty close to coercion,
if you want a PC. When the OEM claims that you will lose your warranty,
if you switch to another OS, that is pretty close to coercion. But there
are still small OEM's who will build you a computer with your choice of
operating systems, whether Windows XP or some flavor of Linux.
Hopefully, people will start to think outside of the Vista box and
recognize the fact that their computer is their own property and they can
install whatever they want and use it however they see fit. If you are
one of those people, who just cant seem to get Vista to work, like it
should, dont be afraid to try something else. For the first time ever, I
can say that Linux is easier to learn and use than the current Windows
Operating System.

 

[Bill]

Similar situation here. Only I run Windows XP on Linux. The are both
running at the same time. I use Windows XP to check my bank statement
and do my taxes, as well as advise my customers, if they have a
question. I also like XNEWS for downloading in the newsgroups, but I
have Pan up at the same time in Linux for the text groups. I use a Fat32
partition to transfer info between the systems. Linux is so fast on my
machine that I do not notice any slowdown. I allocate 256 megs or ram
for my XP virtual machine and it works fine. I can download a movie in
Windows, send it to the Fat32 partition and watch it with the movie
viewers available in Linux. The Linux multimedia viewers are better and
will play corrupt files.

I may have to become more involved with Apple, since it looks like Vista
is turning out to be a major flop. So eventually, I may run a Mac with
Windows, Linux and the MAC Os. It only sounds difficult. It only took
me a couple of hours to download VMWARE, install it, and then install
windows. Since it is a virtual machine, you do not need a driver disk.
All the drivers are built-in. I just followed the instructions in the
February issue of PCLINUXOS magazine.

 

[Ashton Crusher]

Change isn't the issue.
I have seen a LOT of changes since I started with HP Basic in 1970.
I have gone from a tube based system and storing programs on Mylar tape to
punchcards to 18" platters to floppies to cds to thumb drives.
From writing all my own programs to using everything from Cobol, Fortran,
Compiler, DOS, OS2, Windows, Unix, Linux...

To me, Change has to have a purpose. If it's not a needed improvement in
FUNCTION, what's the point.
To me a feature needs a benefit.
I see new stuff that really doesn't do anything but change the appearance.
It doesn't DO anything that I couldn't do in XP, and seems to require a lot
more overhead to do it.
I don't see what Vista actually does BETTER. That is my point.
New doesn't always mean better!

I don't have the answer to the following question but as food for
thought... Is it possible that the underlying changes between the XP
model and the VIsta model are laying the groundwork for things yet to
come? Is it possible that MS has a plan that STARTS with the current
Vista and will lead somewhere over the next couple years that would
not have be feasible with the XP model?

 

[Bill]

I have a problem with Vista. It is too expensive for the value received
and the possibility that you will have major problems with it. At least
with a Live CD, you can tell if the operating system will work with your
computer. In addition MS want you to purchase the Ultimate Edition, if
you want to install it in a virtual machine and that is the only way that
I would use it, since I wouldn't want it messing up my current
configuration. I am a tinkerer and really despise the idea that a device
driver can set off the WGA, or an update shut down your system. I am
also disgusted with the amount of resources that this operating system
demands. It was ridiculous how slow the Beta ran on this machine with
just a few windows open...it is an amd-64 dual 4200 with 2 gig ram and a
high performance 256 meg Nvidia video card. My Linux soars with many
windows open and XP in a virtual machine, which is also running at the
same time. I can overwhelm XP, but I can't seem to overwhelm Linux.
1. Watch Movie
2. Download files
3. Burn CD or DVD
4. Xchat
5. Run Three Open Browsers with multiple tabs open in each including You
Tube.
6. Use Pan
7. Run Windows XP in a virtual window which is also running windows
programs.
8. Play Pogo

I can do all of these things at the same time and experience no slow
down, unless I have too many windows open in my virtual machine and
window only slows down. (I have a short attention span and like to
switch between desktops..lol)

 

[Bill]

I believe that it may have something to do with a draconian
implementation of DRM, in an attempt to reduce the control the average
person has over his machine and place that control in the hands of MS and
their approved content providers. I believe that it is a money making
scheme and has little to do with the wishes and desires of the people who
purchase the operating system, as well as the hardware that is required
to run it. This scheme may be partially responsible for the ridiculously
high hardware requirements that this operating system demands, as well as
the resistance of certain hardware companies who have to write drivers
that incorporate the scheme.

 

[Dave Cox]

1. Watch Movie
2. Download files
3. Burn CD or DVD
4. Xchat
5. Run Three Open Browsers with multiple tabs open in each
including You Tube.
6. Use Pan
7. Run Windows XP in a virtual window which is also running
windows programs.
8. Play Pogo

I can do all of these things at the same time and experience no
slow down,

You've got to be a female, that is some multitasking!
roflmao

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[Mark]

Opinion:
Enforcing DRM will probably be a downfall to MS. As a minimum, there will
be a lot of backpedaling by MS as other vendors continue to refuse to adapt.
The general public simply will not buy it. MS has taken the road to flex
their muscle in numbers. By making all other versions of Windows obsolete,
you must eventually use their newest product or switch. The numbers that
switch remain extremely small despite the verbal abuse in this newsgroup.
So, in the end, MS has set the groundwork whether you agree or not.

Remember when Pentium processors first arose? All the squabble over a
processor that retains tracking/marketing information about the user on the
chip. Who's complaining about it now?

Regarding hardware problems, the major issue has been developing over the
years. MS releases criteria for vendors to meet when writing hardware
drivers, but the vendors (not all) take shortcuts. They write code that
overwrites protected areas of the system and registry taking advantage of
what is already there. The problem is that malware does the same thing. In
an effort to finally put a bigger lid on the problem, MS has enforced the
rules and now the drivers won't install correctly, or cannot find the APIs
they used. Vendors claim this is an attempt by MS to have them pay to write
MS compliant software. MS claims it is a means of stabilizing the OS by
preventing vendors/malware from overwriting critical areas. We are in the
middle.

 

[Frank]

You've got to be a female, that is some multitasking!
roflmao

Good one!
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

I bet you win all the arguments when you get to put words in the other
sides mouth. No where did I say any of that. In fact, you were the
one who originally put words in my mouth which I previous had to slap
you down on. Your kind never stops throwing out strawmen so I don't
expect that will change and you will continue your lies.

You confuse your "I don't give a damn, it works for me" attitude which
you've proudly displayed here many times. I don't need to put words in
anybody's mouth, I make smartass dopes regret the dumb things they've
said.

You're just one of the clueless flock that endlessly whines about
people reporting real issues, you always reponding with the same
useless rants like you shouldn't have upgraded, oh you must not have
done any research or oh, if you don't like it, go back to XP, nobody
forced you to buy Vista or any of the other usual taunts throw around
by you and others with a similar mindset. Sorry, if my reminding you
that's what you do here got your shorts all bunched up.

Seems to me you just like to whine.

Find a mirror, stare into you until you realize who's doing the
whining.

 

[Adam Albright]

I've noticed that you constantly engage in name calling. DO you think
that somehow validates your view? I also notice that you rarely
answer the question asked, you either ignore it, or you create a straw
man that wasn't asked and then answer that.

I think most people are here for discussion but you don't seem to be
in that category. Your main purpose seems to be MS bashing.

My pupose is REPORTING things I've found wrong with Vists and where
possible work around solutions. That sure does piss off the Microsoft
butt kisser crowd. Care to explain why it does bother you so?

 

[Adam Albright]

I noticed that too. But depending on what you are trying to do it can
be a useful feature. When I don't want it I make the left pane wider
to minimize it's occurrence.

 

[Adam Albright]

You whined at length about the 500 bugs, the 21 years of horrible OSs
from MS, how you had somehow been taken when you bought VISTA and on
and on and now you claim you don't "... have any serious problems with
Vista." Wow, talk about back pedaling!!! You're writing the book on
it.

You're just another hot headed ignorant wannabe that think you have a
right to scream and yell at anybody posting about real issues. I'm so
sorry I so easily upset you when reminding you of all the flaws
Windows has and had over the years. Its called REALITY. You apparently
prefer living in some fantasy world.

Here's a tip for you. How is it that you get so upset over what I'm
saying, and you can't deny you do, then why don't you show you have a
shread of brains and just skip over my posts. Can you do that?

Apparently not, you rather rant and scream.

 

[Adam Albright]

Then discuss them and quit the antics.


Can you even list 10 of them?
Remember, opinion is not the truth.

You have a choice:
1. Seek to make it work. Ask for help.
2. Take it back.
3. Whine about your inadequacy in making it work.

Apparently, you prefer option 3.

Another loser needs to make a ass of himself. Again.

 

[Adam Albright]

Good one!
Frank

So we can add sexist to your talents, right Frank?

 

[Retired]

Are you running XP UNDER Linux? If so, how did you accomplish that? Thanks.