what kind of person

[Ashton Crusher]

I can't help wonder what kind of person spends what is clearly hours
and hours in this forum for what appears to be no other reason then to
endless piss on Microsoft in general and Vista in particular. If they
hate both so much why aren't they out shopping for a MAC so they can
get on with their life?

I have actually had less trouble getting my new Vista Machine up and
running then I did with my Old machine when XP was new and so was the
old machine.

 

[Frank]

I can't help wonder what kind of person spends what is clearly hours
and hours in this forum for what appears to be no other reason then to
endless piss on Microsoft in general and Vista in particular. If they
hate both so much why aren't they out shopping for a MAC so they can
get on with their life?

I have actually had less trouble getting my new Vista Machine up and
running then I did with my Old machine when XP was new and so was the
old machine.

Ashton, alot of us would like to know the answer to that question.
It's obvious the linux loser trolls from trash dot are here cause they
hate everything MS and love all things limux like Ubuttoo.
Frank

 

[Bruce Chambers]

I can't help wonder what kind of person spends what is clearly hours
and hours in this forum for what appears to be no other reason then to
endless piss on Microsoft in general and Vista in particular. If they
hate both so much why aren't they out shopping for a MAC so they can
get on with their life?

They're called "trolls," and they apparently have a great deal of time
on their hands.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/t/troll.html

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,289893,sid9_gci213222,00.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)


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[ray]

I can't help wonder what kind of person spends what is clearly hours
and hours in this forum for what appears to be no other reason then to
endless piss on Microsoft in general and Vista in particular. If they
hate both so much why aren't they out shopping for a MAC so they can
get on with their life?

Maybe they already have a PC or can't afford a MAC - in which case the
obvious alternative would be Linux.

I have actually had less trouble getting my new Vista Machine up and
running then I did with my Old machine when XP was new and so was the
old machine.

That's cool. Obviously lots of folks here are having somewhat more
difficulty than you did.

 

[Adam Albright]

I can't help wonder what kind of person spends what is clearly hours
and hours in this forum for what appears to be no other reason then to
endless piss on Microsoft in general and Vista in particular. If they
hate both so much why aren't they out shopping for a MAC so they can
get on with their life?

I have actually had less trouble getting my new Vista Machine up and
running then I did with my Old machine when XP was new and so was the
old machine.

So I guess we can put your down for the Microsoft can piss on me all
they want club while charging inflated prices for buggy software that
fails to work as advertised, likely tinkers with my hardware slowing
it down to bow to Hollywood's DRM scheme, prevents me from making
"legal" backup copies of music or video I paid for and on top of all
that sticks the intrustive UAC nag screens in your way for even things
like trying to delete a shortcut off your desktop and laughing all the
way to the bank because of rubes like you that just shrug their
shoulders and say oh so what, get used to it.

I just want Microsoft to learn this is MY computer, not their
computer. Think that is too much to expect considering I paid for it?

 

[Adam Albright]

Ashton, alot of us would like to know the answer to that question.
It's obvious the linux loser trolls from trash dot are here cause they
hate everything MS and love all things limux like Ubuttoo.
Frank

Sure Frank, you being one of the dummies I routinely hit over the head
for your shallow views and obvious misconceptions, you go right on
thinking everybody that stands up to Microsoft and points out some of
what they get away with in their questionable business prqctices and
strange bowing to Hollywood's wishes and sloppy programming skills is
always a Mac or Linux troll. Ignorance is bliss, keep snoozing Frank,
the world will just pass you by and never even notice you're alive.

 

[Nathan Alden]

Ah, but here's an interesting twist: Those Mac users who bought the Intel
machines are trying Windows XP and even Vista with a host of different
results. Yeah, some whine and gripe about it because they're

A) not paying attention to the instructions, or
B) forgetting that the tools are still a beta (Boot Camp, VMWare Fusion), or
C) experiencing real hardware problems that do need a fix, but they are
simply impatient and love to gripe anyway.

The Windows-on-Mac phenomenon has largely been a good thing for Apple, as
their machines can now compete head-on with the best in the Windows
universe. Those who try it and succeed love the flexibility they have of
running most anything,. Yet they spend much more time in the Mac OS because
they find it less stressful to work with.

I should know. I have a Mac running Vista on the side, and I haven't had a
lot of problems with their latest Boot Camp so far. I spend a lot of time
trying to help interested Apple users bridge the gap between their world
and Windows. This from a man who wants to find balance between a life spent
troubleshooting thousands of problematic Windows machines and a quiet life
as a writer on a Mac. Go figure.

Nathan

 

[Sherry]

Playing devil's advocate for a bit here, and being a new Vista user, I can
see what some of
the 'pissings' about. You would think that with each new upgrade, things
would get better/easier.
Not so with Vista from my short experience. Constant warning messages, not
to mention the lack of support
for practically all of my hardware (I know, a vendor problem, but really...)
Even with my old XP pro, I swear there isn't a day goes by that something
that used to work yesterday,
does not work today. The last time this happened, the culprit was the
result of an automatically downloaded
MS Security update. I had to scour Google for a fix to this 'fix'.
Sometimes you just need a place to vent. I"ve been PCing since day 1 with
MS stuff, and for the first
time I am very seriously thinking of trying Linux. It can't be worse; can
it?

 

[Retired]

Some of us are genuinely having a lot of problems with Vista, and are asking
for help.

 

[Mark]

Get a life!
Do you honestly think you're going to change one of the most lucrative
businesses in the world by whining publicly in a newsgroup about having
spent too much on a product you don't like?

Try the Better Business Bureau, a lawyer, or better yet, the store where you
bought it.
Next time, don't buy until you know. If everyone followed that practice, the
business would change overnight.

 

[Frank]

Playing devil's advocate for a bit here, and being a new Vista user, I
can see what some of
the 'pissings' about. You would think that with each new upgrade,
things would get better/easier.
Not so with Vista from my short experience. Constant warning messages,
not to mention the lack of support
for practically all of my hardware (I know, a vendor problem, but
really...)
Even with my old XP pro, I swear there isn't a day goes by that
something that used to work yesterday,
does not work today. The last time this happened, the culprit was the
result of an automatically downloaded
MS Security update. I had to scour Google for a fix to this 'fix'.
Sometimes you just need a place to vent. I"ve been PCing since day 1
with MS stuff, and for the first
time I am very seriously thinking of trying Linux. It can't be worse;
can it?

Sherry, Vista is a completely new OS from MS. There was a familiarity, a
continuity of sorts from Win9x thru XP & Server 2003 that is not in
Vista (as you've probably noticed). IOW, things are not where they used
to be!
Plus, the way in which Vista uses System memory and video memory are
different and require more robust hardware than ever before. This is all
in preparation for things to come in the use and direction of PC's.
And the inclusion of things like UAC have forced us all to adapt to how
Vista works.
I personally don't have any real problems running any of my
hardware,(and some of it is old (8yrs!) or software. I have had to run
some in compatibility mode and use a few work arounds but all in all,
I'm very satisfied with Vista.
BTW, I'm running 5 desktops, one laptop. I have two 32bit Vista
Ultimates and one 64 bit Ultimate installed.
I'm dual booting one desktop and triple booting another. I'm running
three XP Pro SP2's along with the three Vista's and one Server 2003 SP2
and one Windows Home Server Beta 2 on an old Celeron 1gig CPU.
I build all of my computers, install the software and maintain them myself.
I've used at least a half dozen distros of linux over the years, but
eventually, linux (at least for me) turns into a job that does not pay.
YMMV
Frank

 

[norm]

Ashton, alot of us would like to know the answer to that question.
It's obvious the linux loser trolls from trash dot are here cause they
hate everything MS and love all things limux like Ubuttoo.
Frank

Not all of the people complaining about and trashing vista here have
ever booted to linux, but definitely have had major problems with vista.
They are complaining about and trashing ( sometimes legitimately so,
other times not) what they use, based on the "wow" factor they have
experienced or not. You also might be surprised at the number of windows
users/supporters that frequent this ng that do use an iteration of linux
along with windows. And don't forget that the mindless supporters (who
refuse to recognize the reality/severity of some of the vista issues)
can be seen in as bad a light as the mindless bashers.

 

[Adam Albright]

Get a life!
Do you honestly think you're going to change one of the most lucrative
businesses in the world by whining publicly in a newsgroup about having
spent too much on a product you don't like?

I have a life, thanks, part of the fun I have is making dopes like you
jump up and down because you simply can't control your temper and you
NEVER want to hear the truth regarding what's behind some of the
changes in Vista.

Try the Better Business Bureau, a lawyer, or better yet, the store where you
bought it. Next time, don't buy until you know.

I don't buy, I build, obviously something you don't do which is why I
know WAY MORE about how Windows works then you'll ever know.

If everyone followed that practice, the
business would change overnight.

What you know about the business world would fit in a thimble.

 

[john]

Sherry, Vista is a completely new OS from MS. There was a familiarity, a
continuity of sorts from Win9x thru XP & Server 2003 that is not in Vista
(as you've probably noticed). IOW, things are not where they used to be!

And for good reason...

This is by design.
All the changes, including widespread renaming of "default" folders and
apps, rearranging of menus with no rhyme or reason, and apparently for no
real purpose, confusing new graphic interface, are all necessary to make
Vista look sufficiently different from previous versions of Windows.

Otherwise, people would see it for what it really is, just another XP
Service Pack, or as I prefer to call it, Windows 95 v4.0

This is just another example of how the Marketing Dept. is now the driving
force at Microsoft.

 

[NotMe]

And some of us just don't like the way they did Vista.
I don't like the interface.
I turned off the 'new' menus in XP and have done the same, as much as
possible, in Vista.
If I want pretty, I'll go to an art gallery.
I want my computer to WORK, first time, every time.
I don't want shadowing, slide out menus, Aero or much of the other junk they
keep tossing in as 'improvements'.
Eye candy doesn't make it work better, it just ups the hardware requirements
& slows it down..
If I don't know enough to keep malware off my system, I better learn or quit
going to those sites that you're likely to get it.
I think MS is trying to do what AOL is finally getting away
from...protrcting you from yourself with proprietary and 'easy' software
that only half-way works. Have it OUR way at MS Today!
No Thanks!

 

[Frank]

And some of us just don't like the way they did Vista.
I don't like the interface.
I turned off the 'new' menus in XP and have done the same, as much as
possible, in Vista.
If I want pretty, I'll go to an art gallery.
I want my computer to WORK, first time, every time.
I don't want shadowing, slide out menus, Aero or much of the other junk they
keep tossing in as 'improvements'.
Eye candy doesn't make it work better, it just ups the hardware requirements
& slows it down..
If I don't know enough to keep malware off my system, I better learn or quit
going to those sites that you're likely to get it.
I think MS is trying to do what AOL is finally getting away
from...protrcting you from yourself with proprietary and 'easy' software
that only half-way works. Have it OUR way at MS Today!
No Thanks!

Well if you know as much about computers as you claim, then surely you
know you can customize Vista to your liking.
I know I did.
Frank

 

[Mark]

Temper? I wouldn't waste the emotional effort required to get upset over
someone posting in a newsgroup.

Your opinion seldom qualifies as truth.

Yes, Vista has bugs and I've encountered my share requiring multiple
reinstalls, calls to MS and the wonderful search for drivers and programs
that work. Big deal. Unlike most, when I purchased Vista, I went in knowing
there were problems (as with any new software on the market.) Amazingly,
customer service at MS is just as lousy as most businesses.

I would not recommend Vista for any business at this point. But, for me, I
have to evaluate it's potential as an upgrade for integration with the
systems I build. (To the individual buying a new system with Vista
pre-installed, beware. If you buy uninformed, you bought it and MS pulled
off another sale... ...just like any other business that sells a crappy
product.)

You have a choice:
1. Seek to make it work. Ask for help.
2. Take it back.
3. Whine about your inadequacy.

So, congratulations on building systems. We have something in common!
But, are you talking PCs or multi-million dollar simulators (which is my
business.) I deal in multiple operating/interface systems on the same
servers as well as write the drivers for unique hardware that the general
public will never have to interface to their computers. I did find Vista
challenging at the start of my evaluation, then I got it running stable and
went back to business.

You are correct in that you probably know more about how windows works.

 

[Frank]

You are correct in that you probably know more about how windows works.

Good one! :-D
Frank

 

[NotMe]

I didn't say I can't customize it; but like IE7, they have limited what you
can do without reg hacks & third party apps.
Unless you really know your way around, it is more difficult to find things
& set them up the way you want.
I don't think MS actually listened to the feedback on the
interface/look/feel during the Beta process.
They had the same attitude, it's new, get used to it.
Because it is forced on new machines, it will continue to be 'the'
mainstream OS for a long while to come.
I have to support all our PCs, no matter the OS, so I am running Vista
personally & have been for quite a while.
That doesn't make me like it any better.
Based on MY personal evaluation of 'the benefits of Vista over XP'; none of
our 150+ XP machines will be getting Vista!
I upgraded all of our existing W98/ME machines to XP because of the
usability/stability improvements XP offered.
I don't see that Vista makes sense unless you are forced to it with new
hardware, in the normal upgrade cycle.
And after our cost/benefit discussions this month, that cycle just got a
year longer.
Have I let my personal dislike enter the equation, probably so.
But, if I don't like it, what would make me beileve that novice or casual
users will find it better? Or that it will be as easy or easier to support?
As far as I am concerned, MS missed their foot & shot themselves in the
head.

..If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!
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[Ashton Crusher]

Playing devil's advocate for a bit here, and being a new Vista user, I can
see what some of
the 'pissings' about.

It would be understandable that a user might need to vent at times.
That's not what I'm referring to. I referring to the kind of person
who makes a career of throwing their 1/2 cent into numerous threads
for no real purpose other then to make snide comments and useless and
redundant negative observations.

You would think that with each new upgrade, things