The FREE .Net Framework means NOTHING IF SQL SERVER...........

[Tony Rogerson]

Unfortunetly your comments highlight how little you actually know about .NET
programming etc...

I'd start by actually downloading Web Matrix and actually using it and
you'll notice how things fit together, remember you will need to use a data
access layer to access MSDE and that access layer will need to be .NET.

You get to distribute MSDE if you have Visual Studio.NET (VS.NET) by the
way.

Your original argument (see your post) was that mom and pop would need to
spend a great deal of money in order to get a website - that has been proved
incorrect.

By licencing MSDE for FREE with Web Matrix MS can get greater adoption for
..NET technologies so there really is no need to use MySQL and PHP when all
you need to do is buy a copy of W2003 Web edition and download Web Matrix.
..NET is a very powerful langauge as well and mom and pop will soon realise
the benefits compared to other offerings as they will get their site out
quicker, it will look smarted and more functional and will also scale a lot
better. And they won't need to spend $1500 on MySQL support which is a
significant cost saving.

 

[Guest]

DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........


VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging
By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003]
Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing

....UNSUSTAINABLE.......
The computer industry is overcharging customers to an unsustainable and
unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive Scott
McNealy (pictured).

CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK
......McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far further
distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and support
costs needed to be squeezed out.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S
He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users
told us to be predictable, be simple," he said......

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm

"The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry," McNealy
said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork
conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of magnitude,"
or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out of our
industry in the next five to 10 years."

READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable"

 

[steve]

as one who has paid homage to bentonville more than a few times, i can tell
you they pay their developers quite well. they are no mom/pop operation.

btw, their db is teradata...you may just want to pick the pricing/licensing
bone w/ them instead of ms. there ain't no "lite" or desktop versions there
and you'll need to be willing to invest just a wee bit more into your it
budget than if you were to go w/ something - errrr...just about anything -
else.

i see you as a good dictator...you want what you want and everyone else be
damned. you can't get something for nothing and you can't have it your way
all the time. actually, i don't shouldn't even give you credit for having
such lofty aspirations...really, i just see you as someone who wants to rub
people the wrong way so that they feel compelled to give your comments
attention. don't you have friends who could play that role? just ask them to
send you an email once in a while so you don't get lonley enough to resort
doing what you've done here.

btw...your new word for the day: "diatribe" - a strain of abusive or railing
language. this has been a self-edifying wrant with a foregone conclusion
excluding the potential for external, valid inputs. you are tiresome.

*PLONK*

 

[CJ Taylor]

I had to use the thesuarus 19 times for this message....

 

[steve]

sorry about that cj! to break it down - mostly for our young skywalker, who
i don't believe has the facilities to know what a thesaurus is or how one
should put it to use - he is mentally masturbating and displaying his
"outcome" so that we all must see it. hence, our compulsion to "redirect"
his activities elsewhere...

;^)

 

[John Saunders]

Hah Hah! Must be a virus infecting servers which host job sites, as I
get that with pretty much all my resume submissions.

Keep trying. I don't think it's all of the job sites. I actually got three
bites from monster.com...

.... over the course of 15 months and over 70 applications, I got three
bites, only one of which led to an interview. :-(

 

[CJ Taylor]

Heh, I gotcha.

Yes young luke does have some things to learn, this is plainly obvious. I
think besides the lack of understanding of the .NET framework as well as
licencing information regarding Microsoft products.

As far as mental masturbation, yeah... thats clear as well. First of all,
how many "mom and pop" shops need an application? This is just
understanding the needs of business which has been clearly overlooked.

I don't quite know where his argument is going though, if he's for PHP/MySQL
or not. Because it makes no sense in some of his verbage.

 

[Ed Crowley]

Keep trying. I don't think it's all of the job sites. I actually got three
bites from monster.com...

... over the course of 15 months and over 70 applications, I got three
bites, only one of which led to an interview. :-(

Your C.V. must be rubbish then. ;-)

 

[David Vins]

Wal-Mart is not a manufacturer of products or intellectual property (which
Microsoft is). It is nothing more than a glorified logistics company mixed
in with some incredible real estate that sells advertising (end capping and
product placement fees).

The same goes for all those upscale retailers like Saks, Lord & Taylors,
Macy's, etc. Only, they aren't too good at logistics. But then again, they
don't compete with the likes of Wal-Mart, folks like K-Mart do.

If we're going to talk with analogies let us use proper ones.

If you're going to compare Microsoft with other companies be sure to compare
them against other software companies, or for analogy sake, other product
manufacturers. Pharmaceutical companies are a great example. High investment
costs, high risk, high indemnity...

 

[Guest]

Well.....there you go......

*** Unsustainable *** IS THE KEY WORD....and he, McNealy knows it and is
adjusting to the market......

He knows what customers want....just like Microsoft sometimes does.....IBM
can't keep charging what's it's charging plain and simple.....companies
don't have money to burn anymore......

Unsustainable? This coming from the mouth of the guy who's business of
producing proprietary UNIX hardware is becoming obsolete? The guy who is so
busy worrying about Microsoft that he has ignored the fact that IBM and HP
are both gunning for his company and are now putting it into an incredible
squeeze? Who also, coincidentally, reams those who purchase his hardware
with high prices too?

And by the way, I am neither an MVP, an MCSE, or any of those acronyms.

DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........


VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging
By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003]
Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing

...UNSUSTAINABLE.......
The computer industry is overcharging customers to an unsustainable and
unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive Scott
McNealy (pictured).

CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK
.....McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far further
distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and support
costs needed to be squeezed out.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S
He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users
told us to be predictable, be simple," he said......

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm

"The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry," McNealy
said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork
conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of magnitude,"
or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out of our
industry in the next five to 10 years."

READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable"

Wal-Mart is not a manufacturer of products or intellectual property (which
Microsoft is). It is nothing more than a glorified logistics company mixed
in with some incredible real estate that sells advertising (end

capping
and

product placement fees).

The same goes for all those upscale retailers like Saks, Lord & Taylors,
Macy's, etc. Only, they aren't too good at logistics. But then again, they
don't compete with the likes of Wal-Mart, folks like K-Mart do.

If we're going to talk with analogies let us use proper ones.

If you're going to compare Microsoft with other companies be sure to compare
them against other software companies, or for analogy sake, other product
manufacturers. Pharmaceutical companies are a great example. High investment
costs, high risk, high indemnity...


HELLO....

Wal-Mart makes MONEY

.......a lot more money the Saks 5th Avenue, Lord and Taylor's,

Macy's
and

probably all high end brands combined......





Hello,

Because MICROSOFT is a BUSINESS who
WANT to make MONEY £££

They _must_ make money because they must give their developers some
money...

;-)

 

[Guest]

You are not even reaching...

Look the logic is correct....

The key word is

UNSUSTAINABLE........

You don't bring you car to the mechanic each and every week...heck,
everyday...

Don't expect Fortune 500 companies OR Mom and Pops to keep doing that
forever.....

Isn't this considering McNealy to be "God" like...

Because one man says this all of a sudden we should drop everything we are
doing and listen to his words?

Oh yeah, and his brother is a famous hockey player... lets do it for that
reason to... Must be true...

This reminds me of a Billy Gram(sp?) event...

Well.....there you go......

*** Unsustainable *** IS THE KEY WORD....and he, McNealy knows it and is
adjusting to the market......

He knows what customers want....just like Microsoft sometimes does.....IBM
can't keep charging what's it's charging plain and simple.....companies
don't have money to burn anymore......


is
so

and

HP

are both gunning for his company and are now putting it into an incredible
squeeze? Who also, coincidentally, reams those who purchase his hardware
with high prices too?

And by the way, I am neither an MVP, an MCSE, or any of those acronyms.



DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........


VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging
By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003]
Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing

...UNSUSTAINABLE.......
The computer industry is overcharging customers to an unsustainable and
unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive Scott
McNealy (pictured).

CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK
.....McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far further
distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and
support
costs needed to be squeezed out.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S
He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users
told us to be predictable, be simple," he said......

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm

"The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry,"
McNealy
said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork
conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of
magnitude,"
or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out of our
industry in the next five to 10 years."

READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable"










Wal-Mart is not a manufacturer of products or intellectual property
(which
Microsoft is). It is nothing more than a glorified logistics company
mixed
in with some incredible real estate that sells advertising (end capping
and
product placement fees).

The same goes for all those upscale retailers like Saks, Lord & Taylors,
Macy's, etc. Only, they aren't too good at logistics. But then again,
they
don't compete with the likes of Wal-Mart, folks like K-Mart do.

If we're going to talk with analogies let us use proper ones.

If you're going to compare Microsoft with other companies be sure to
compare
them against other software companies, or for analogy sake, other
product
manufacturers. Pharmaceutical companies are a great example. High
investment
costs, high risk, high indemnity...


HELLO....

Wal-Mart makes MONEY

.......a lot more money the Saks 5th Avenue, Lord and Taylor's, Macy's
and
probably all high end brands combined......





Hello,

Because MICROSOFT is a BUSINESS who
WANT to make MONEY £££

They _must_ make money because they must give their developers some
money...

;-)

 

[David Vins]

Unsustainable? This coming from the mouth of the guy who's business of
producing proprietary UNIX hardware is becoming obsolete? The guy who is so
busy worrying about Microsoft that he has ignored the fact that IBM and HP
are both gunning for his company and are now putting it into an incredible
squeeze? Who also, coincidentally, reams those who purchase his hardware
with high prices too?

And by the way, I am neither an MVP, an MCSE, or any of those acronyms.

DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........


VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging
By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003]
Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing

...UNSUSTAINABLE.......
The computer industry is overcharging customers to an unsustainable and
unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive Scott
McNealy (pictured).

CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK
.....McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far further
distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and support
costs needed to be squeezed out.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S
He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users
told us to be predictable, be simple," he said......

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm

"The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry," McNealy
said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork
conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of magnitude,"
or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out of our
industry in the next five to 10 years."

READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable"

Wal-Mart is not a manufacturer of products or intellectual property (which
Microsoft is). It is nothing more than a glorified logistics company mixed
in with some incredible real estate that sells advertising (end capping and
product placement fees).

The same goes for all those upscale retailers like Saks, Lord & Taylors,
Macy's, etc. Only, they aren't too good at logistics. But then again, they
don't compete with the likes of Wal-Mart, folks like K-Mart do.

If we're going to talk with analogies let us use proper ones.

If you're going to compare Microsoft with other companies be sure to compare
them against other software companies, or for analogy sake, other product
manufacturers. Pharmaceutical companies are a great example. High investment
costs, high risk, high indemnity...

 

[John Saunders]

Your C.V. must be rubbish then. ;-)

If I didn't know better, I'd agree. It was certainly being treated as
rubbish.

 

[CJ Taylor]

I'll give him a little MNOYC.

Unsustainable? This coming from the mouth of the guy who's business of
producing proprietary UNIX hardware is becoming obsolete? The guy who is so
busy worrying about Microsoft that he has ignored the fact that IBM and HP
are both gunning for his company and are now putting it into an incredible
squeeze? Who also, coincidentally, reams those who purchase his hardware
with high prices too?

And by the way, I am neither an MVP, an MCSE, or any of those acronyms.

DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........


VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging
By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003]
Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing

...UNSUSTAINABLE.......
The computer industry is overcharging customers to an unsustainable and
unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive Scott
McNealy (pictured).

CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK
.....McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far further
distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and support
costs needed to be squeezed out.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S
He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users
told us to be predictable, be simple," he said......

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm

"The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry," McNealy
said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork
conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of magnitude,"
or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out of our
industry in the next five to 10 years."

READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable"

Wal-Mart is not a manufacturer of products or intellectual property (which
Microsoft is). It is nothing more than a glorified logistics company mixed
in with some incredible real estate that sells advertising (end

capping
and

product placement fees).

The same goes for all those upscale retailers like Saks, Lord & Taylors,
Macy's, etc. Only, they aren't too good at logistics. But then again, they
don't compete with the likes of Wal-Mart, folks like K-Mart do.

If we're going to talk with analogies let us use proper ones.

If you're going to compare Microsoft with other companies be sure to compare
them against other software companies, or for analogy sake, other product
manufacturers. Pharmaceutical companies are a great example. High investment
costs, high risk, high indemnity...


HELLO....

Wal-Mart makes MONEY

.......a lot more money the Saks 5th Avenue, Lord and Taylor's,

Macy's
and

probably all high end brands combined......





Hello,

Because MICROSOFT is a BUSINESS who
WANT to make MONEY £££

They _must_ make money because they must give their developers some
money...

;-)

 

[CJ Taylor]

Isn't this considering McNealy to be "God" like...

Because one man says this all of a sudden we should drop everything we are
doing and listen to his words?

Oh yeah, and his brother is a famous hockey player... lets do it for that
reason to... Must be true...

This reminds me of a Billy Gram(sp?) event...

Well.....there you go......

*** Unsustainable *** IS THE KEY WORD....and he, McNealy knows it and is
adjusting to the market......

He knows what customers want....just like Microsoft sometimes does.....IBM
can't keep charging what's it's charging plain and simple.....companies
don't have money to burn anymore......

Unsustainable? This coming from the mouth of the guy who's business of
producing proprietary UNIX hardware is becoming obsolete? The guy who is so
busy worrying about Microsoft that he has ignored the fact that IBM and HP
are both gunning for his company and are now putting it into an incredible
squeeze? Who also, coincidentally, reams those who purchase his hardware
with high prices too?

And by the way, I am neither an MVP, an MCSE, or any of those acronyms.

DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........


VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging
By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003]
Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing

...UNSUSTAINABLE.......
The computer industry is overcharging customers to an unsustainable and
unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive Scott
McNealy (pictured).

CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK
.....McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far further
distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and support
costs needed to be squeezed out.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S
He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users
told us to be predictable, be simple," he said......

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm

"The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry," McNealy
said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork
conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of magnitude,"
or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out of our
industry in the next five to 10 years."

READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable"










Wal-Mart is not a manufacturer of products or intellectual property (which
Microsoft is). It is nothing more than a glorified logistics company mixed
in with some incredible real estate that sells advertising (end capping
and
product placement fees).

The same goes for all those upscale retailers like Saks, Lord & Taylors,
Macy's, etc. Only, they aren't too good at logistics. But then

again,
they

don't compete with the likes of Wal-Mart, folks like K-Mart do.

If we're going to talk with analogies let us use proper ones.

If you're going to compare Microsoft with other companies be sure to
compare
them against other software companies, or for analogy sake, other product
manufacturers. Pharmaceutical companies are a great example. High
investment
costs, high risk, high indemnity...


HELLO....

Wal-Mart makes MONEY

.......a lot more money the Saks 5th Avenue, Lord and Taylor's, Macy's
and
probably all high end brands combined......





Hello,

Because MICROSOFT is a BUSINESS who
WANT to make MONEY £££

They _must_ make money because they must give their developers some
money...

;-)

 

[CJ Taylor]

Are you retarded?

My point, jsut because Scott says so, does that make it true?

What if I said, "I'm really Jenna Jameson and I love programmers".

(everyone in this group just suddenly got excited I know...)

Does that mean its true? no... so why should I believe what scott has to
say. It's easy to say things when your going for publicity... There is no
supporting argument behind it. No analysis. It's just words.

When you reach puberty you will understand how business markets work.

Resting MNOYC....

You are not even reaching...

Look the logic is correct....

The key word is

UNSUSTAINABLE........

You don't bring you car to the mechanic each and every week...heck,
everyday...

Don't expect Fortune 500 companies OR Mom and Pops to keep doing that
forever.....

Isn't this considering McNealy to be "God" like...

Because one man says this all of a sudden we should drop everything we are
doing and listen to his words?

Oh yeah, and his brother is a famous hockey player... lets do it for that
reason to... Must be true...

This reminds me of a Billy Gram(sp?) event...

who

is

so
busy worrying about Microsoft that he has ignored the fact that IBM

and

HP
are both gunning for his company and are now putting it into an incredible
squeeze? Who also, coincidentally, reams those who purchase his hardware
with high prices too?

And by the way, I am neither an MVP, an MCSE, or any of those acronyms.



DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........


VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging
By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003]
Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing

...UNSUSTAINABLE.......
The computer industry is overcharging customers to an

unsustainable
and

unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive
Scott
McNealy (pictured).

CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK
.....McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far
further
distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and
support
costs needed to be squeezed out.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S
He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users
told us to be predictable, be simple," he said......

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm

"The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry,"
McNealy
said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork
conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of
magnitude,"
or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out

of
our

industry in the next five to 10 years."

READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable"










Wal-Mart is not a manufacturer of products or intellectual property
(which
Microsoft is). It is nothing more than a glorified logistics company
mixed
in with some incredible real estate that sells advertising (end
capping
and
product placement fees).

The same goes for all those upscale retailers like Saks, Lord &
Taylors,
Macy's, etc. Only, they aren't too good at logistics. But then again,
they
don't compete with the likes of Wal-Mart, folks like K-Mart do.

If we're going to talk with analogies let us use proper ones.

If you're going to compare Microsoft with other companies be

sure

to

 

[steve]

"...which can now drive far further..."

that's *farther* when comparing distances. the comparative distance would
be: "farther than they could in the past" ;^)

i guess you haven't had economics classes yet either. and, being as that you
are 14, how can you say "our" industry as if it were inclusive of you?
anyway, a basic phenomenon in economics is that goods and services that are
deemed fundamental to the progression or general health and prosperity of a
society have inate demand. as long as their is demand for a good or service,
market sustainability is assured. as long as a demand exists, there will be
suppliers to fill it as quickly as possible. this is not unique to a
capitalist based economy either.

i believe we cannot turn back to a non-technological approach to societal
existance - all things being equal, i.e. we don't blow ourselves up. that
means technology quickly falls under the order of a fundamental good or
service. the only thing that cannot, AND SHOULD NOT, be sustainable is the
current prices/value affixed to utilizing that technology. NO industry has a
sustainable rate of value. it is bargained for everyday...they are more
likely to sway positively and negatively in industries that are considered
to be more "optional" to the parties concerned i.e. entertainment. given
that, our - sorry, that doesn't include you - industry, on the contrary has
the opportunity to have a more "sustainable", or predictable, value than
most others.

all this talk about mom/pop issues and how much you know about starting
companies...yet you don't have a clue about macro economics. it boggles my
mind...and that's hard to do. i can't believe you stew over the responses
you've been getting and then waste your own time looking up quotes from the
internet! you're either a teen-ager or unemployed...either way, you are
certifiably sophomoric.

steve

 

[steve]

actually...there is one exception. when alan greenspan speeks...the world
does tend to stop to listen.

i don't think i could even begin to make a comparison between what mcnealy
brings to the table vs. what greenspan does...without lol.

;^)

Isn't this considering McNealy to be "God" like...

Because one man says this all of a sudden we should drop everything we are
doing and listen to his words?

Oh yeah, and his brother is a famous hockey player... lets do it for that
reason to... Must be true...

This reminds me of a Billy Gram(sp?) event...

Well.....there you go......

*** Unsustainable *** IS THE KEY WORD....and he, McNealy knows it and is
adjusting to the market......

He knows what customers want....just like Microsoft sometimes does.....IBM
can't keep charging what's it's charging plain and simple.....companies
don't have money to burn anymore......


is
so

and

HP

are both gunning for his company and are now putting it into an incredible
squeeze? Who also, coincidentally, reams those who purchase his hardware
with high prices too?

And by the way, I am neither an MVP, an MCSE, or any of those acronyms.



DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........


VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging
By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003]
Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing

...UNSUSTAINABLE.......
The computer industry is overcharging customers to an unsustainable and
unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive Scott
McNealy (pictured).

CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK
.....McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far further
distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and
support
costs needed to be squeezed out.
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S
He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users
told us to be predictable, be simple," he said......

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm

"The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry,"
McNealy
said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork
conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of
magnitude,"
or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out of our
industry in the next five to 10 years."

READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable"










Wal-Mart is not a manufacturer of products or intellectual property
(which
Microsoft is). It is nothing more than a glorified logistics company
mixed
in with some incredible real estate that sells advertising (end capping
and
product placement fees).

The same goes for all those upscale retailers like Saks, Lord & Taylors,
Macy's, etc. Only, they aren't too good at logistics. But then again,
they
don't compete with the likes of Wal-Mart, folks like K-Mart do.

If we're going to talk with analogies let us use proper ones.

If you're going to compare Microsoft with other companies be sure to
compare
them against other software companies, or for analogy sake, other
product
manufacturers. Pharmaceutical companies are a great example. High
investment
costs, high risk, high indemnity...


HELLO....

Wal-Mart makes MONEY

.......a lot more money the Saks 5th Avenue, Lord and Taylor's, Macy's
and
probably all high end brands combined......





Hello,

Because MICROSOFT is a BUSINESS who
WANT to make MONEY £££

They _must_ make money because they must give their developers some
money...

;-)

 

[CJ Taylor]

Again with the big words...

"...which can now drive far further..."

that's *farther* when comparing distances. the comparative distance would
be: "farther than they could in the past" ;^)

i guess you haven't had economics classes yet either. and, being as that you
are 14, how can you say "our" industry as if it were inclusive of you?

hehe.... yeah...

anyway, a basic phenomenon in economics is that goods and services that are
deemed fundamental to the progression or general health and prosperity of a
society have inate demand. as long as their is demand for a good or service,
market sustainability is assured. as long as a demand exists, there will be
suppliers to fill it as quickly as possible. this is not unique to a
capitalist based economy either.

I think I put true down on this question in my ECO 362 class...

i believe we cannot turn back to a non-technological approach to societal
existance - all things being equal, i.e. we don't blow ourselves up. that
means technology quickly falls under the order of a fundamental good or
service. the only thing that cannot, AND SHOULD NOT, be sustainable is the
current prices/value affixed to utilizing that technology. NO industry has a
sustainable rate of value. it is bargained for everyday...they are more
likely to sway positively and negatively in industries that are considered
to be more "optional" to the parties concerned i.e. entertainment. given
that, our - sorry, that doesn't include you - industry, on the contrary has
the opportunity to have a more "sustainable", or predictable, value than
most others.

Take that Rajin' Cajun' James Carvell.

all this talk about mom/pop issues and how much you know about starting
companies...yet you don't have a clue about macro economics. it boggles my
mind...and that's hard to do. i can't believe you stew over the responses
you've been getting and then waste your own time looking up quotes from the
internet! you're either a teen-ager or unemployed...either way, you are
certifiably sophomoric.

Triple word score for sophomoric. I haven't heard that one used in a very
long time. Well done steve! And definatly a well sustained argument in
which case I believe the more "slang terminology" would deem it appropriate
to say you "bitc* slapped him to next tuesday"

-CJ

 

[steve]

i "aims" to please...have you noticed that he probably doesn't understand a
single word of any of my posts since he won't respond to them directly?
either that, or he can't "garner" enough of a factual "retort" from which to
respond. i am often easily "rebutted" by the worst of them...if he were to
do so, i'd have to lower my definition of "worst" though.

;^)