The FREE .Net Framework means NOTHING IF SQL SERVER...........

[steve]

All the stuff about memory management or

object inheritance were the same excuses that was said before VB6 came
around........

again, you must read for comprehension. those are details that mom/pop just
don't care about. but since you bring up vb6 - in a manner that completely
negates your knowledge of the subject - i'll state fact. vb6 solved neither
memory management nor inheritance. anyone who has spent at least a few
months programming w/ the language would know that. but i digress...that
wasn't my original point anyway.

That same stuff you keep talking with development cycles sounds a lot like
the complexity of ORACLE before SQL Server came around and

ugh...same content issue as above. and, again, it seems you have no
experience w/ oracle! oracle has a suite of nice gui tools that make it as
uncomplicated as sql server...both are ansi compliant so what's the
difference in your create/alter/drop/select/insert/whatever between the
two...reserved words?

Sooner or later.....do it yourself enterprise web app......

i don't even know to what this statement refers!

If you are a profitable company, why can't you afford even a standard
license of SQL Server then?
Heck, why are you on PHP then?

i though you were entrepenurial? why pay for something if you don't have to?
msde is free...which saves me some cash. why do i need anything else...if i
did, i would. i do stay on top of ms products by maintaining an msdn
universal subscription...is that enough of an investment for you? and as far
as php goes...for the simple fact that it is very c-ish. i'm an old
fashioned type of fella ;^) plus, i have to switch mental gears a lot less
often when i go off writing javascript (also c-ish). another reason is that
i use php professionally...makes for a better resume if i can show what i've
done rather than hoping someone will believe what i tell them i can do. i
like to use as many languages as i can so that when i pull tools from the
shed, i know they're nice and sharp.

anything else you'd like to add?

 

[Tony Rogerson]

Use MSDE (entry level SQL Server) - it's free and can be used in production
for free.

 

[Tony Rogerson]

"Using MSDE does not reduce or eliminate the need for client access
licenses
Please re-read that, why would you need to connect MSDE to SQL Server? That
would mean you had 2 SQL Servers (MSDE and SQL Server full blown edition).

You would not need to interact with SQL Server 2000 Standard Edition or SQL
Server 2000 EE.

You can use MSDE in a production environment, it can be distributed for free
so long as you build your website using Web Matrix or have bought something
like SQL Server 2000 Developer edition for $49.

 

[Kieran Benton]

Admittedly once its installed. However it is a slightly more hands on
process than MSSQL (lol as long as that doesnt do anything strange). I dont
get why we're all arguing about this anyway, this guy is just an idiot and
has no real point to his argument!

Kieran

 

[Ed Crowley]

Because MICROSOFT is a BUSINESS who WANT to make MONEY £££

Aren't you late for school?

 

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Hello,

Because MICROSOFT is a BUSINESS who
WANT to make MONEY £££

They _must_ make money because they must give their developers some money...

;-)

 

[CJ Taylor]

You know what?

No...

All the stuff about memory management or
object inheritance were the same excuses that was said before VB6 came
around........

What? I think people cared even less before VB6 about object inheritance.
Mainly because, well VB6 didn't really offer OOP. And of course memory
management is important, who writes code that sucks up 100% of all availble
memory. Thats just silly. jacka**

That same stuff you keep talking with development cycles sounds a lot like
the complexity of ORACLE before SQL Server came around and

"stuff you keep talking with development cycles".

Those are pretty important dude.

Why capitilize everything too.. There is no reason to with Oracle. What
about Sybase ASE? What about DB2? What about MNOYC?

Sooner or later.....do it yourself enterprise web app......

Just web app? What about an enterprise windows app? or linux app? What if
they need to use resources on the local machine?

This is pretty strait line thinking. kinda sickening. By that logic,
everyone has the same needs...

Oh and there is an "enterprise web app" that exists. It was developed my
Microsoft and has since manifested itself into many versions. They called
it IBuySpy. Thats about as "do it yourself" as you get for right now.

If you are a profitable company, why can't you afford even a standard
license of SQL Server then?

SQL Server 2000 - $1399
MSDE - Free

Rent - $650
Cable - $90
DSL - $120
Gas/Electric $110
Caffine - $250
Cigarettes - $80
Car payment $200
Insurance $500

Life gets expensive when you move out of your parents house......

Heck, why are you on PHP then?

Because you touch yourself at night.

 

[steve]

thx, cj! i can't quit chuckling ;^) and, i forgot about those incedentals
like caffine and smokes! i still haven't thought of a way to write those off
w/o raising an eyebrow from my accountant! i think we need to remind
brainless that, in the us anyway, about 45% of your revenue anually goes
straight to the irs...if you have employees, then there goes another 15 to
25% of their salaries to the irs as employer contributions. but heck, i'll
go ahead and buy stuff i really don't need to buy...red is my favorite color
anyway.

what's this guys arg?

 

[Stephen Dybing [MSFT]]

I'd just like to jump in here as a Microsoft employee and officially state
that Tony is correct.

1. MSDE is free for use when used with Web Matrix
2. MSDE can be used in a production environment when the app being used is
built using 1.

Yes, you will need to be properly licensed to run our graphical tools
against an MSDE installation, and you will also need to be properly licensed
to connect an MSDE installation to the other editions of SQL Server in a
production environment, but neither the tools nor that connectivity is
necessary in order to run MSDE in production by itself.

We've put together an MSDE FAQ list at
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/msde/howtobuy/msdeuse.asp that might be of help
here.

--
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Please reply to the newsgroups only, thanks.

Microsoft highly recommends to all of our customers that they visit the
http://www.microsoft.com/protect site and perform the three straightforward
steps listed to improve your computer's security.

 

[CJ Taylor]

Stephen,

How does one obtain one of these "Microsoft Jobs" we hear you speak of...

 

[Stephen Dybing [MSFT]]

OK, now I'm the one who is confused. Where did I say anything about
"Microsoft Jobs"?

--
Hope this helps,
Stephen Dybing

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Please reply to the newsgroups only, thanks.

Microsoft highly recommends to all of our customers that they visit the
http://www.microsoft.com/protect site and perform the three straightforward
steps listed to improve your computer's security.

 

[Erland Sommarskog]

OK, now I'm the one who is confused. Where did I say anything about
"Microsoft Jobs"?

It must be this:

"... Microsoft employee ..."

I guess the answer to CJ Taylor is that as a starting point you send in
your résumé.

 

[Stephen Dybing [MSFT]]

OK.

CJ, start at http://www.microsoft.com/careers/default.aspx.

--
Hope this helps,
Stephen Dybing

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Please reply to the newsgroups only, thanks.

Microsoft highly recommends to all of our customers that they visit the
http://www.microsoft.com/protect site and perform the three straightforward
steps listed to improve your computer's security.

 

[John Saunders]

OK.

CJ, start at http://www.microsoft.com/careers/default.aspx.

Have they fixed the site? A couple of years ago I sent in multiple resumes
and was completely ignored, as though the site were broken (and nowhere to
report the problem to!) In all modesty I have to say that my resume was not
the type which should have been completely ignored.

Partially ignored, maybe, but not completely.

 

[Guest]

HELLO....

Wal-Mart makes MONEY

........a lot more money the Saks 5th Avenue, Lord and Taylor's, Macy's and
probably all high end brands combined......

 

[Guest]

Ok.....

That's some clarity...

Now, how much of your Web Application must be made with Web Matrix?
100%, 90%, 50%....

How do we define being built with Web Matrix?
Say if I build it with VS.NET except for a small piece of code that I will
be build with Web Matrix?

Does that allow me to use that web page with SQL Server MSDE?

How about I made with VS.NET, Dreamweaver, TextPad, or Notepad, THEN opened
it up in Web Matrix, saved it. Does that allow me to use that web page with
MSDE in a production environment......

See, how this MSDE FAQ is really unclear and hasn't taken into the fact of
many other ways.....

Why don't you adjust the SQL Server licensing so it doesn't matter what you
use because you are going to have to buy a copy of Windows 2003 server - Web
Edition anyway....and then later when there is a bandwidth need, mom and pop
will buy SQL Server.....

This way, you don't lose mom and pop outright to PHP and MySql as they will
have a production system and also TRUST in that system....

 

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Hello,

Wal-Mart makes MONEY

.......a lot more money the Saks 5th Avenue, Lord and
Taylor's, Macy's and probably all high end brands
combined......

*PLONK*

 

[CJ Taylor]

Ok.....

That's some clarity...

For who...

Now, how much of your Web Application must be made with Web Matrix?
100%, 90%, 50%....

3.56%

How do we define being built with Web Matrix?
Say if I build it with VS.NET except for a small piece of code that I will
be build with Web Matrix?

....and

Does that allow me to use that web page with SQL Server MSDE?

Translation:
Microsoft SQL Server Microsoft Desktop database Engine

How about I made with VS.NET, Dreamweaver, TextPad, or Notepad, THEN

opened

is text pad better than wordpad or notepad?

it up in Web Matrix, saved it. Does that allow me to use that web page with
MSDE in a production environment......

See, how this MSDE FAQ is really unclear and hasn't taken into the fact of
many other ways.....

lawyers...

Why don't you adjust the SQL Server licensing so it doesn't matter what you
use because you are going to have to buy a copy of Windows 2003 server - Web
Edition anyway....and then later when there is a bandwidth need, mom and pop
will buy SQL Server.....

What if I want Enterprise Edition? And what is up with mom and pop again.
They don't really "thrive" on e-commerce... Thats just simple ideas of
capacity product demand.

This way, you don't lose mom and pop outright to PHP and MySql as they will
have a production system and also TRUST in that system....

Nothing is wrong with PHP and MySQL. It just goes along with the entire
windows/linux thing.

Now quiet down before I taunt you a second time.

 

[CJ Taylor]

I'm starting to wonder if this is my mother.....

Lotta similiarities.....

 

[Skip]

Have they fixed the site? A couple of years ago I sent in multiple resumes
and was completely ignored, as though the site were broken (and nowhere to
report the problem to!) In all modesty I have to say that my resume was not
the type which should have been completely ignored.

Partially ignored, maybe, but not completely.

Hah Hah! Must be a virus infecting servers which host job sites, as I
get that with pretty much all my resume submissions.

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