printing ticket

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Susan Bugher

Thanks. So in which of these categories would you say Free Microsoft
Publisher Templates belongs? I'd say "freeware." What do you think,
Susan?

I think it's in the the "not software" category. . .

Fonts are also OT. OTOH the Hosts File is on the Pricelessware List -
even though it's also "not software" - because it fulfills the same
purpose as content filter programs. . .

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2004/PL2004INTERNET.php#0351-PW

Susan
 
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Semolina Pilchard

Thanks. So in which of these categories would you say Free Microsoft
Publisher Templates belongs? I'd say "freeware." What do you think,
Susan?

I have no doubt that Susan will tell you. Meanwhile I'll interrupt,
in the politest possible way.

Yes, there are grey areas here. If one wants to be absolutely
rigorous about it, they're easily disposed of: if it isn't stand-alone
executable code it isn't any kind of ware and is therefore OT.

As this template can only be used in a buyware program it would seem
to me to be at the very blackest end of the spectrum, whereas
something like PhotoShop plugins which can be used in many freeware
graphics editors are somewhat paler. They do get discussed.

Traditionally, we have avoided dealing with plug-ins and templates
which can only be used in commercial programs. Yes, they may be free,
but you can't use them unless you buy, or have bought, the program, so
what's the point? That has always seemed to me, at least, a sensible
rule of thumb.

If we push this to the logical extreme, as has been happening in this
thread, we end up in a ridiculous and untenable situation. On the one
hand we throw the door open to something that seems to defeat the
sense of having a freeware group at all, on the other, we may say,
yeah, but none of these freeware programs work without Windows, which
we have to pay for, so why not include things that only work in Word
or Publisher? It *is* ridiculous, isn't it? We have left common
sense far behind.

I rarely object to these discursive threads on the nature of Freeware;
in fact I think they're a very good thing. But this one's going
nowhere. It isn't useful. It isn't helping us to create a working
definition that is useful to us. You're banging away at one anomalous
situation that we have dealt with in a.c.f repeatedly, Joe.

Further, and I'm wandering off topic here myself, you're doing no-one
any favours by encouraging them to use the execrable Publisher. It's
an excellent object lesson in How Not To Create A DTP Program.
 
B

B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson

I expect he will soon share with us his knowledge of Photoshop plug
ins.

From IrfanView help:

| IrfanView has a PlugIn which loads normal Adobe Photoshop filters.

;-)

BeAr
 
B

B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson

Specifically, I am looking for a utility to extract lines with target
text, together with 2 lines preceding each one, and write that to an
output file. Main use: For Antivir logs, target text as [DETECTION]

Most Grep programs support different values for leading and trailing
context lines. GNU grep does in any case. You can get a full set of
GNU utils for Windows here:

http://unxutils.sourceforge.net

HTH.
BeAr
 
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joesilver

Vic said:
On 15 Dec 2004 14:58:11 -0800, RE: Re: printing ticket


Are you referring to the MWs (Moderator Wannabes)?
Sounds appropriate! :)

I like your alternative FAQ, by the way.
 
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John Fitzsimons

Most of my posts on this subject have been attempts to explain myself to
other posters who questioned my original post.

< snip >

Everyone understands your original post. You want people to purchase
Publisher to get a "free" solution. No thanks. I prefer to stick with
freeware. That doesn't require me to purchase something else first.
 
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John Fitzsimons

On 16 Dec 2004 07:02:21 -0800, (e-mail address removed) wrote:

freeware = free software
Free Microsoft Publisher Templates = free software

< snip >

One has to purchase Publisher to use it. So it isn't "free". There
is a cost involved.
 
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John Fitzsimons

Bob-au's suggested solution to the original poster was freeware. What's
the problem?

If you have to purchase something to get something else "for free"
then that something isn't itself "freeware". It requires cost to get
it.

In this case one would need to purchase Publisher first. Most people
here would probably NOT want to pay out money to get the "free" (?)
solution.

If you cannot recommend a freeware solution then let someone else
do so or let the questioner go to a more appropriate forum.
 
J

John Fitzsimons

There are situations wherein it is not cut-and-dried whether or not a
given piece of software could be considered "freeware."

In your mind perhaps. Many others here aren't having the comprehension
problems that you are having.
I have described
two examples in other posts within this thread. In such cases, I tend to
err on the side of inclusiveness, whereas some others tend to err on the
side of exclusiveness - as did Jo in this instance. I consider this
literal interpretation of the definition of "freeware," wherein it's
more important to step in and cry "foul" if one perceives that a program
might not meet the strictest possible definition, than to present a
solution that might actually help someone, to be "policing."

You really do think this is the alt.help newsgroup don't you ? Try
reading the name of the group a few (hundred ?) more times. Then
you should "get it".
 
J

John Fitzsimons

On 16 Dec 2004 06:23:21 -0800, (e-mail address removed) wrote:

I suppose the best thing to do is just ignore the jerks, and
get on with it.

I agree with you. Recommend freeware and everyone should be happy.
No need to recommend solutions that require one to purchase a
commercial program first.
 
J

John Fitzsimons

(e-mail address removed) wrote:
This would be the untenable position that templates for MS Publisher
are not freeware?

"Untenable" only in Joe's mind. The rest of us know that having to
purchase Publisher to get something "free" is absurd.
 
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Vic Dura

On 15 Dec 2004 14:58:11 -0800, RE: Re: printing ticket


Are you referring to the MWs (Moderator Wannabes)?
Sounds appropriate! :)

I like your alternative FAQ, by the way.[/QUOTE]

It's very appropriate for this NG. The MWs have been trying to hijack
this NG for years, but most people couldn't care less about their hair
splitting definitions of freeware. Most people just want to be
reasonable.
 
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REM

It's very appropriate for this NG. The MWs have been trying to hijack
this NG for years, but most people couldn't care less about their hair
splitting definitions of freeware. Most people just want to be
reasonable.

Really, this is not the ACF of 2002. The group has improved vastly,
imo.

I admire greatly the people who try to make it a great group.
Semantics can be argued from here to eternity and still, nothing is
accomplished.

It is acf. Freeware software is the perfect scratch.
 
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The MWs have been trying to hijack this NG for years,

You couldn't be more wrong, but at least you've dropped the more
offensive "control freaks" label for those with whom you disagree.
Perhaps eventually you'll quit the name-calling entirely.
but most people couldn't care less about their hair splitting
definitions of freeware.

Coming from someone who tried unsuccessfully to split the hairs a
year ago, that looks a lot like sour grapes.
 

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