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[Joe Silver]

I.E. ? A lot of people seem to like it, but I only use it when I
absolutely must. Then I immediately run Ad-aware which cleans out a
bunch of junk that wasn't there before running I.E.

Yes, it's unfortunate that in the minds of the general public, I.E. is
virtually the only game in town, browser-wise. I, too, run AdAware or
Spybot after using it, and usually find one or more "intruders."

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Oh - is this some sort of threat, Dewey?

Of course it's not. It's a prediction based on a long history here
of people who have dropped in to advocate posting payware
recommendations and other such stuff. Such people come and go, but
John Fitzsimons has been here consistently for years. If it's any
consolation, Vic Dura will outlast you as well.

Are you going to have me expelled because you disagree with my
opinions?

Your paranoia is showing.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Yes, it's unfortunate that in the minds of the general public,
I.E. is virtually the only game in town, browser-wise. I, too, run
AdAware or Spybot after using it, and usually find one or more
"intruders."

It's certainly possible that actual spyware could be installed via some
IE vulnerabilities, but more likely these hits of Ad-Aware and Spybot
are just the doubleclick &c. cookies that you accumulate running any
browser that accepts a lot of cookies. IE accepts most cookies by
default (XPSP2 here), but you can change that via the cumbersome
Internet Options dialog; refusing third-party cookies should keep most
of them off.

 

[Joe Silver]

Of course it's not.

Excuse me - is your name Dewey Edwards?

It's a prediction based on a long history here
of people who have dropped in to advocate posting payware
recommendations and other such stuff.

You confirmed this with Dewey, I gather?

John Fitzsimons has been here consistently for years.

My sympathies.

 

[Joe Silver]

It's certainly possible that actual spyware could be installed via some
IE vulnerabilities, but more likely these hits of Ad-Aware and Spybot
are just the doubleclick &c. cookies that you accumulate running any
browser that accepts a lot of cookies. IE accepts most cookies by
default (XPSP2 here), but you can change that via the cumbersome
Internet Options dialog; refusing third-party cookies should keep most
of them off.

I use I.E. rarely, and have it set to prompt me whenever a site attempts
to leave a cookie on my hard drive. I reject most cookies, except for
the ones that are absolutely necessary for a site to function properly.
In fact, as a test, I just ran I.E., visited one site, rejected the
cookie it wanted to leave, then closed I.E. and ran Spybot. It found a
"DSO Exploit." Spybot had pronounced my system as clean prior to my
running I.E.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Excuse me

Sure. You're excused.

- is your name Dewey Edwards?

Did you mean to somehow disallow anyone but Dewey from explaining to
you what you had misunderstood?

 

[Joe Silver]

Did you mean to somehow disallow anyone but Dewey from explaining to
you [Dewey Edwards' comment]?

Yes.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I had no trouble following Jo's logic. Looks like you really do have
a problem understanding simple concepts.

In this thread probably. In this newsgroup Joe won't.

< he he > Yep. We have had many "Joe"s in the past who have arrived
here and told us all how we should re-define freeware. I suspect we
will have the likes of him in the future as well.

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[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Did you mean to somehow disallow anyone but Dewey from explaining
to you what you had misunderstood [Dewey Edwards' comment]?

Yes.

Then you should not have posted your question to Usenet. Seriously.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

I use I.E. rarely, and have it set to prompt me whenever a site
attempts to leave a cookie on my hard drive. I reject most
cookies, except for the ones that are absolutely necessary for a
site to function properly. In fact, as a test, I just ran I.E.,
visited one site, rejected the cookie it wanted to leave, then
closed I.E. and ran Spybot. It found a "DSO Exploit." Spybot had
pronounced my system as clean prior to my running I.E.

If your IE is up-to-date with patches, it no longer has the DSO
exploit vulnerability, even if Spybot S&D still reports it. It was
not ever spyware per se, but rather a vulnerability of older IEs.
There are instructions at
<http://www.pchell.com/support/dsoexploit.shtml> for editing the
registry so that Spybot will no longer think it is a threat, but IMO
it's not worth the trouble.

 

[omega]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:30:23 -0800, omega wrote:

Specifically, I am looking for a utility to extract lines with
target text, together with 2 lines preceding each one, and
write that to an output file. Main use: For Antivir logs,
target text as [DETECTION]

Maybe you could try Minitrue. I use it regularly, but not for your
purpose.

Turned out that the GNU Grep does the job perfectly, with no aspect where
I am left wishing for any improvement. So I am not strongly motivated to
examine whether Minitrue might have switches to do the same job.

I do have Minitrue hanging around, downloaded after seeing it recommended
in batch groups and other places, and have browsed over its help file a
time or two.

What would interest me, if I could talk you into it, would be a description
of a couple of the ways you've made usage of it. (Type of thing I much like
reading in ACF: Stories of software in action for specific projects.)

 

[Dewey Edwards]

Oh - is this some sort of threat, Dewey? Are you going to have me
expelled because you disagree with my opinions?

Get a grip. John's been here well over five years. You, five [fill
in time period]. Think of it as a prediction I fully expect you to
prove on your own.

 

[Dewey Edwards]

Did you mean to somehow disallow anyone but Dewey from explaining to
you [Dewey Edwards' comment]?

Yes.

Predictable.

 

[Vic Dura]

Such people come and go, but
John Fitzsimons has been here consistently for years. If it's any
consolation, Vic Dura will outlast you as well.

I quess so. I've been here for over seven years. Too late to break the
habit now :-0

 

[Mike Mills]

I do have Minitrue hanging around, downloaded after seeing it
recommended in batch groups and other places, and have browsed
over its help file a time or two.

What would interest me, if I could talk you into it, would be a
description of a couple of the ways you've made usage of it. (Type
of thing I much like reading in ACF: Stories of software in action
for specific projects.)

ABOUT MINITRUE
Here are two simple examples of the use of minitrue:
Essentially one liner commands which do *not* replace anything at
all, just display and find.

These are not exactly rocket science, but I do use them a lot.
This is far easier for me using a dual pane file manager with a
cmdline at the bottom. Eg. "findall jpgresize " will search in
the current directory against a list of filenames or 4dos
descript.ions, or .txt files [or whatever] and return quite a list
quickly. In a way I am making an index which can be quite large
and searching it quickly and conveniently.
I also may use "instant file name search " from sowsoft.com from
time to time. It searches all my drives indexed from c to h.
The updating function is quick, the index file , although gigantic
is more compact than some alternatives.
Note that I do not let Minitrue start going through a big list of
..zip files for example, because that would be rather tedious. I
specify a few index files.
I use the same findall bat function when looking for a particular
quotation from my extensive collection of books in various formats.
More often a quick search for author or title will get me to the
location with no trouble.
In addition I have a large collection of .htm files grabbed from
the web and put into topics that interest me. They have all been
stripped of most of the damn java &c so they display directly
without calling the internet. I often find content which I was
unaware of having. The sign of a good library in my books.

------------------recur bat--------------------
echo off
echo Recurse will look in the current drive and all subdirectories
echo to find the query string which you enter.
echo a string with more than one word "must be quoted".
echo Recurse requires Minitrue [mtr] in your path. It also requires
echo a file called "3" which contains a list of suffixes you wish
to
echo search. For example *.txt *.ion *.me *.bbs *.mbx etc ,
echo with each on one line. MM 12/02 freeware
:modified to show only whole words Apr/25/03
:use recur.bat to search in subdirectories
:and not begin at the rootlevel
echo --==== Your Results ====--

@mtr -k -r -w %1 -- @3
:: added .mbx 2:09 PM 3/24/03 to search eudora mailboxes
:: added 3 lines intro.
::

---------------------findall bat-----------------------
@echo off
echo Findall requires Minitrue [mtr] in the dos path .
echo It also requires a file named "3" containing the suffixes
echo you want to search eg: *.txt *.ion *.bbs *.me
echo One to each line.
echo You must add a single word for a string value,
echo or a "quoted expression" as an argument. MM 12/02 freeware
:modified to find whole words only with -w Apr25/03
:use recurse.bat to find files and find in files recursively
:findall searches for "string contents" in files and filenames
lists.
echo --======== Your Results =======--
@mtr -k -w %1 -- @3

 

[joesilver]

Get a grip. John's been here well over five years. You, five [fill

in time period].

As will come as a surprise to virtually no one, you are wrong about
this. I first began viewing this newsgroup about seven years ago,
although admittedly, I haven't submitted as many posts as some others
here, or participated as "consistently," to borrow a word from another
poster.

At any rate, I'm sure I'm not the only reader here who finds
predictions about who is going to "outlast" whom in this newsgroup to
be completely silly, juvenile, and meaningless. As any reasonably
mature, intelligent reader would probably agree, there is room here for
all - including those who have a strict definition of "freeware," those
who are a bit more flexible in their thinking, and even those on both
sides of the argument who occasionally feel compelled to express their
disagreement with opinions expressed in this newsgroup.

 

[B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson]

Thanks, perfect! The GNU Grep does exactly what I want!

Fine! ;-)

The one exception in my local search was a program named f_grep. But it has
far less options, also didn't perform quite how I wanted for my purpose here
(output of file path and line numbers seems automatic and not optional).

I did puzzle over its identity. It says: "f_grep (Win32) version 2.70 (c)
Copyright IBM Corp. 1996-2002." Puzzlement since I don't tend to identify
IBM as being much involved in producing freeware. (?)

The term 'IBM Employee Written Software' was once some kind of a brand
name for free software, scripts, and so on. Sometimes these programs
were descendants of abandoned parts of commercial programs, OS versions
and such. They fulfilled very special tasks, often not found anywhere else.

The way I got hold of this program was by downloading and running the DOS
file manager named F (fwin32.exe) from <http://filemanager.free.fr>. The
f_grep.exe sort of spontaneously leaps from its pouch when that is launched.
(It might be that some developer involved there worked for IBM, perhaps that
would be an angle of theory to sort of explain the IBM (c) for f_grep?)

I don't know the origins, either. Maybe Nam Duy Nguyen worked (or is
still working) for IBM. But on the other hand I think it possible
that he just used the source code for FMOS2, which was one of the
EWS projects mentioned. So the term 'IBM' could be a reference to
the original author(s). (FMOS2 has been developed as a successor of
the Fileman code base used for PC-DOS, the IBM Dosshell and the OS/2
FileManager.)

The 'f' in fgrep is only meant as a reference to 'free'/'file manager'/
'free file manager'. - From the 'F' history:

| * fgrep.exe changed to f_grep.exe to avoid possible name collision.

Problem was obviously the existence of other fgrep programs. That's
not surprising, because 'fgrep' has had a very special meaning for
years:

Grep is a very powerful, yet a bit bulky tool. For specialized usage
scenarios evolved some sub-version which share the general syntax, but
are customized to specific needs:

fgrep ... find expressions with fixed strings (grep -F)
egrep ... extended RegEx functionality (grep -E)
agrep ... use approximation with RegEx (grep -A)

These are not different implementations of several program authors (using
similar looking names because of akin functionality), but descendants of
one source branch. Only little switches are changed on compile time to get
a different (default) behavior of the program.

Programmers writing an own implementation of one of these grep tools
*often* use a slightly different naming to avoid misunderstandings.
Therefore the unique name 'f_grep'.

To return from history to presence: I don't think it important which
version of a common grep implementation one uses. Most are very stable
and fulfill standard tasks with no problems.

And *that's* why I'm away now: To update my apparently outdated v2.60
of f_grep. ;-)

BeAr

 

[joesilver]

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That joke has been used in this thread already. And what's with "the
quotation marks"?

 

[M.L.]

Yes, there are grey areas here. If one wants to be absolutely
rigorous about it, they're easily disposed of: if it isn't stand-alone
executable code it isn't any kind of ware and is therefore OT.

Any "ware" can meet that criteria by simply placing it into a zip or
self-extracting archive. Freeware such as Irfanview plugins and
Spywareblaster are nothing but executable shell programs that place
data at a specified location on your computer, allowing the OS or
other program to make use of the data or files.