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In such cases, I tend to err on the side of inclusiveness,
whereas some others tend to err on the side of exclusiveness - as
did Jo in this instance. I consider this literal interpretation of
the definition of "freeware," wherein it's more important to step
in and cry "foul" if one perceives that a program might not meet
the strictest possible definition, than to present a solution that
might actually help someone, to be "policing."

Once again you mischaracterize Jo's post to which you objected. Jo did
not 'cry "foul"'. Jo said it's not really freeware. Saying whether or
not something is freeware is not policing or pouncing or crying "foul",
and I don't understand why you would think that it is.

Using Jo's post as a springboard for a broadside might be seen as any
of those things, though; see
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[Susan Bugher]

In case I haven't already made this clear...

There are situations wherein it is not cut-and-dried whether or not a
given piece of software could be considered "freeware." I have described
two examples in other posts within this thread. In such cases, I tend to
err on the side of inclusiveness, whereas some others tend to err on the
side of exclusiveness - as did Jo in this instance. I consider this
literal interpretation of the definition of "freeware," wherein it's
more important to step in and cry "foul" if one perceives that a program
might not meet the strictest possible definition, than to present a
solution that might actually help someone, to be "policing."

and now you're happily sitting in judgement. What comes next? Are we
supposed to lead someone to the scaffold?

In your first post about this you said:

"Come on, folks; lighten up! Put some of that energy you expend on
whistle-blowing into actually trying to *help* people who have
questions... "

Paraphrasing that:

Come on, Joe; lighten up! If you don't agree with s one sentence comment
post a *brief* dissent. You've turned one short comment into a
double-digit thread. Put some of that energy you're expending into
something more worthwhile.

Susan

 

[omega]

Joe Silver wrote:
[....]
double-digit thread. Put some of that energy you're expending into
something more worthwhile.

Joe Silver might have no energy left over for bothering to post anything
worthwhile, after having expending such a fury of into his activity of
"policing and pouncing on" that one-line observation on MS Publisher.

 

[Joe Silver]

and now you're happily sitting in judgement. What comes next? Are we
supposed to lead someone to the scaffold?
No.

Come on, Joe; lighten up! If you don't agree with s one sentence comment
post a *brief* dissent.

That's what I did.

You've turned one short comment into a
double-digit thread.

I think >>Q<< can share at least some of the responsibility for the
length of this thread.

 

[Joe Silver]

Once again you mischaracterize Jo's post to which you objected. Jo did
not 'cry "foul"'. Jo said it's not really freeware. Saying whether or
not something is freeware is not policing or pouncing or crying "foul",
and I don't understand why you would think that it is.

That's fine. You are free not to understand. Let it rest now.

Using Jo's post as a springboard for a broadside might be seen as any
of those things, though; see
<news:[email protected]>.

Appropriately enough, there is no post at this link.

 

[Joe Silver]

Joe Silver might have no energy left over for bothering to post anything
worthwhile, after having expending such a fury of into his activity of
"policing and pouncing on" that one-line observation on MS Publisher.

Most of my posts on this subject have been attempts to explain myself to
other posters who questioned my original post. Had >>Q<< and others not
raised questions, there would have been no need for elaboration on my
initial message. No "fury" at all - at least not on *my* part.

 

[omega]

I think >>Q<< can share at least some of the responsibility for the
length of this thread.

No. You came in with a self-righteous fury, swinging your fists, all
in attack of a straight-forward observation, one which you repeatedly
labeled "pouncing" and "policing."

Q brought in his quiet logic and reason to make up for your doing
the opposite.

If Q had not corrected you, then others would have needed to.

Or not, and instead leave you, solo, railing away as you did against
an observation that a program was not freeware.

Not holding our breath that you have the least interest around here
in providing info or discussion on any freeware itself.

 

[omega]

see

Appropriately enough, there is no post at this link.

LOL. Joe, now if you weren't so consumed in this big tirade of yours,
you could stop and take time to learn to use your software to launch
news links.

 

[jo]

Not holding our breath that you have the least interest around here
in providing info or discussion on any freeware itself.

I expect he will soon share with us his knowledge of Photoshop plug
ins.

 

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Appropriately enough, there is no post at this link.

It's a link to your first response to Jo in this thread.

 

[joesilver]

Thank you Joe,

Jo is right about it not being freeware as such.
but if it can help ninou. at no cost and legal. All the best.

bob-au

I appreciate your reasonable attitude. I wish others here shared it. I
have actually obtained useful information in this newsgroup, and even
shared some of my own (contrary to the speculation of others in this
thread). I suppose the best thing to do is just ignore the jerks, and
get on with it.

 

[joesilver]

Q brought in his quiet logic and reason to make up for your doing
the opposite.
Nonsense.

If Q had not corrected you, then others would have needed to.
Ditto.

Or not, and instead leave you, solo, railing away as you did against
an observation that a program was not freeware.

freeware = free software
Free Microsoft Publisher Templates = free software

Or by "freeware" do you mean strictly "free executables," Karen?

Not holding our breath that you have the least interest around here
in providing info or discussion on any freeware itself.

Speak for yourself. You mean "Not holding *my* breath." I have, in
fact, provided info and discussion on freeware in this newsgroup. Sorry
you missed it.

 

[joesilver]

LOL. Joe, now if you weren't so consumed in this big tirade of yours,

you could stop and take time to learn to use your software to launch
news links.

Karen: Perhaps >>Q<< should learn how to post news links properly. If
this were a binary newsgroup, I could post a screen shot that would
show you that when one selects >>Q<<'s link, a blank post appears.

Also, I reiterate: *What* big tirade? This discussion would have ended
with my original post, were it not for the crusade by the likes of you
and >>Q<< to defend your untenable position.

 

[omega]

(e-mail address removed):

Free Microsoft Publisher Templates = free software

Or by "freeware" do you mean strictly "free executables," Karen?

Scripts are not compiled binaries -- however, I think recommending scripts
is often appropriate for ACF (& a few scripts have been on the PL list).

Document templates for a commercial product? No, those do not fit into
my definition of freeware.

However, you are quite mistaken if you think that I'd support your
attempt to explode this into a huge combative thread about where to
delineate freeware. So that is not a subject in which I will engage
further.

Speak for yourself. You mean "Not holding *my* breath." I have, in
fact, provided info and discussion on freeware in this newsgroup.

You sure are showing no such interest at hand. So fully engaged as you
are in this ridiculous thread of yours. (Strut and fret... full of sound...
etc.)

Sorry you missed it.

I am sorry that I continue to miss it. As I keep hinting to you: I
am patiently waiting for you to drop this big tirade of yours here
and instead provide what you might have to say that would be useful.

Perhaps you can recommend me some freeware?

Specifically, I am looking for a utility to extract lines with target
text, together with 2 lines preceding each one, and write that to an
output file. Main use: For Antivir logs, target text as [DETECTION]

 

[joesilver]

Perhaps you can recommend me some freeware?

Specifically, I am looking for a utility to extract lines with target
text, together with 2 lines preceding each one, and write that to an
output file. Main use: For Antivir logs, target text as [DETECTION]

Can't help you there; sorry. I'll keep my eyes open. You'll probably
have better luck finding such a program if you start a new thread for
your request.

 

[omega]

(e-mail address removed):

Karen: Perhaps >>Q<< should learn how to post news links properly. If

It was properly posted.

this were a binary newsgroup, I could post a screen shot that would
show you that when one selects >>Q<<'s link, a blank post appears.

You should start a thread, Mozilla reader in the title, and ask for
advice on how to work with those links from your reader. I don't use
the Mozilla reader myself, so cannot tell you what settings or workaround
to effect.

Also, I reiterate: *What* big tirade? This discussion would have ended
with my original post, were it not for the crusade by the likes of you
and >>Q<< to defend your untenable position.

Whose position?

I read Q to have put forth a single, straightforward position: that it
was not valid to keep calling the one post "pouncing" or "policing."

My position? That the self-righteous lecture ("lighten up people!" etc),
and your entire thread blow-up, is an absurd use of bandwidth, which
should be redirected instead to discussion of freeware.

Of course, I admit that now that I've reached some 25% of the posts you've
made on this thread, criticism of the thread blow-up is utter P/K/B on my
part. Best I can do about that at this point is to quit off here.

Hope to catch you instead in a freeware thread next time.

 

[jo]

Karen: Perhaps >>Q<< should learn how to post news links properly. If
this were a binary newsgroup, I could post a screen shot that would
show you that when one selects >>Q<<'s link, a blank post appears.

LOL. Q's MID launched fine here...

Also, I reiterate: *What* big tirade? This discussion would have ended
with my original post, were it not for the crusade by the likes of you
and >>Q<< to defend your untenable position.

This would be the untenable position that templates for MS Publisher
are not freeware?

 

[omega]

(e-mail address removed):

Perhaps you can recommend me some freeware?

Specifically, I am looking for a utility to extract lines with target
text, together with 2 lines preceding each one, and write that to an
output file. Main use: For Antivir logs, target text as [DETECTION]

Can't help you there; sorry. I'll keep my eyes open.

It's a hard question. There are a fair wealth of utils that can do single
lines, but I've never found one to do a multiple line trick like I need...

You'll probably have better luck finding such a program if you start a
new thread for your request.

You're right. I put such things off because of the commitment factor
in following a thread through after starting a query. Or maybe it's the
"won't stop and ask directions" thing. (Confusing a bit to me that I'd have
the prob that comedians have always liked to ascribe specifically to men,
but at least can say it doesn't hold as a generalization in the virt world)

 

[Susan Bugher]

freeware = free software
Free Microsoft Publisher Templates = free software

ACF's definitions are here:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php

Susan

 

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(e-mail address removed) wrote in

Karen: Perhaps >>Q<< should learn how to post news links properly.

I post news links properly.

If this were a binary newsgroup, I could post a screen shot that
would show you that when one selects >>Q<<'s link, a blank post
appears.

You can't use Google Beta to diagnose things like that. Improper
handling of news URLs is only one of its many flaws.

But you also use Thunderbird; is Thunderbird also broken? You can
click the news URL in the attibution line above to find out.

Also, I reiterate: *What* big tirade? This discussion would have
ended with my original post,

It would have ended with Jo's post if you hadn't taken the
opportunity to launch a diatribe against saying whether or not
something is freeware.

were it not for the crusade by the likes of you and >>Q<< to
defend your untenable position.

It's clear that you haven't been paying attention to my position.
It's that Jo (or anybody) should be able to post about whether
something is freeware or not without drawing unfounded accusations
of pouncing or policing.