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caver1
MICHAEL said:
Theft is not right but trying to stop theft does not give anyone the
right to take away rights given by the courts and law to those honest
consumers by the owners of said products.
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Theft is not right but trying to stop theft does not give anyone the
right to take away rights given by the courts and law to those honest
consumers by the owners of said products.
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caver1
Dale said:How does the quote you posted support the idea that WGA and DRM do not
stop piracy? That quote only supports the idea that downloading
software for free is not a bad thing for the artist. Of course it
ignores the fact that the artist is only one part of the expense of
creating and distributing a CD.
You keep saying your argument is about WGA and DRM but your statements
keep rationalizing downloading music for free, with or without permission.
Pick a side of the argument and stick with it.
Dale
The RIAA wants to stop all downloading of music that they do not
control. DRM gives them that capability that the court's and law have
refused to give them. Yes the court's have sided with the RIAA in some
cases and rightly so. But not in all cases. The RIAA does not like that.
If you read Janis Ian's comment she believes that the RIAA is going to
far. DRM gives them that capability that the law will not give them.
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Dale
And if you rationalize or apologize for those who do so, then you have no
right to complain about the burden of DRM while the copyright owners try
(even if it is futile) to protect their property.
Dale
right to complain about the burden of DRM while the copyright owners try
(even if it is futile) to protect their property.
Dale
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Dale
Name one case where DRM has been used to deprive someone of a right granted
by the owner of any digital product.
Dale
by the owner of any digital product.
Dale
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Alias
Dale said:And if you rationalize or apologize for those who do so, then you have
no right to complain about the burden of DRM while the copyright owners
try (even if it is futile) to protect their property.
Dale
In Spain we pay extra for every CD or DVD bought which is given to the
Music/Video industry to cover sharing music and DVDs so you were saying?
Alias
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Dale
Now, THAT is a bad idea. Government imposed DRM. What if you use blank
media for backing up your PC? Is there a whole market in smuggled blank
CDs or DVDs?
Dale
media for backing up your PC? Is there a whole market in smuggled blank
CDs or DVDs?
Dale
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caver1
Dale said:Name one case where DRM has been used to deprive someone of a right
granted by the owner of any digital product.
Dale
DRM when fully implemented will not let any hardware play or copy music
or other media to be played/reproduced that is not fully DRM compliant
even if it is a legal copy. Right now the RIAA does not want any sharing
of music even if the artist wants it to be. The law and the courts have
upheld the right to make personal copies of your music whether its for
backup or to be able to use it on another player of your own or even to
share it with friends, over the years. DRM and the ones pushing it wants
to and will stop these rights. Notice I didn't mention downloading.
Case in point do you let your spouse use your cd in her car? THe
recording industry in the past(fairly recently) that they want this also
to be made illegal. You must also purchase one for her. Or give it to
her and never listen to it yourself.
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Alias
Dale said:Now, THAT is a bad idea. Government imposed DRM. What if you use blank
media for backing up your PC?
Doesn't matter.
Is there a whole market in smuggled
blank CDs or DVDs?
Dale
Not that I know of. There have been demonstrations on the part of
students against this measure but to no avail.
Alias
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xfile
Office used to include a license that allowed you to use one copy on your
I'm not sure about Office 2007, but if I remember correctly, Office 2003 for
my personal system bundled with Dell's notebook still permits 2 copies - I
remember that I did check that but it was some time ago.
desktop and one on a laptop or home PC. It has not included that
licensing since Office 2000 (I think).
I'm not sure about Office 2007, but if I remember correctly, Office 2003 for
my personal system bundled with Dell's notebook still permits 2 copies - I
remember that I did check that but it was some time ago.
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Dale
That just goes to show that money from big business can buy any government,
not just that of the United States. I don't even want to get started on the
implications of such corruption on the future of society.
Dale
not just that of the United States. I don't even want to get started on the
implications of such corruption on the future of society.
Dale
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Justin
1. Don't believe anything Alias says about Spain. He's already been caught
lying/talking out his ass about many things (take your pick).
2. That is the most obsurd thing I have ever read. Making citizens
responsible for the theft actions of others?
We're going to charge people that do the right thing MORE money because
there will be people that will do the wrong thing. Wow, if I actualy
believed you, then I would thank God I don't live in Spain.
lying/talking out his ass about many things (take your pick).
2. That is the most obsurd thing I have ever read. Making citizens
responsible for the theft actions of others?
We're going to charge people that do the right thing MORE money because
there will be people that will do the wrong thing. Wow, if I actualy
believed you, then I would thank God I don't live in Spain.
J
Justin
I see what you're saying but you didn't answer the question. Who said you
have the RIGHT to play any content where ever you wish? At what point are
your rights being taken away?
How is DVD any different? You must have DVD hardware or software to play a
DVD. According to you isn't that againt my rights? I should be able to
stick it in any video player and have it play my video.
Thanks, Justin Emlay System Administrator Maisto International, Inc.
909-357-7988 ext.360 909-357-9958 fax (e-mail address removed) www.maisto.com
have the RIGHT to play any content where ever you wish? At what point are
your rights being taken away?
How is DVD any different? You must have DVD hardware or software to play a
DVD. According to you isn't that againt my rights? I should be able to
stick it in any video player and have it play my video.
Thanks, Justin Emlay System Administrator Maisto International, Inc.
909-357-7988 ext.360 909-357-9958 fax (e-mail address removed) www.maisto.com
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Justin
"Taking a laptop home is not the same as the company buying you software for
personal use."
You are absolutely right. In this case they're buying software AND hardware
for personal use. Our employees can do whatever the heck they want on their
laptops. They are responsible for their own data outside of any in house
backed up data.
"The company allows me to take a laptop home so that I can work from home."
You're almost there!!! Now take away the laptop and give the employee the
perk of "getting" windows/office seeing as how, from time to time, they'll
work from home.
"The expectation would be that, if I have a computer to put it on, I would
already have Windows."
Sorry but that's a stupid expectation. Also this completely skips over
office, so what about office? Do you assume all PCs have office? Did you
miss the part about IT staff? We all have the current OS, the time will
come to upgrade to Vista, this is where the OS handouts come in to play.
Some of us are using Vista Business licenses and some of us are waiting to
buy Ultimate. You assume the purchase of an OEM machine and fail to realize
the eventual upgrade.
Now that you've expanded your statement, I find it even
personal use."
You are absolutely right. In this case they're buying software AND hardware
for personal use. Our employees can do whatever the heck they want on their
laptops. They are responsible for their own data outside of any in house
backed up data.
"The company allows me to take a laptop home so that I can work from home."
You're almost there!!! Now take away the laptop and give the employee the
perk of "getting" windows/office seeing as how, from time to time, they'll
work from home.
"The expectation would be that, if I have a computer to put it on, I would
already have Windows."
Sorry but that's a stupid expectation. Also this completely skips over
office, so what about office? Do you assume all PCs have office? Did you
miss the part about IT staff? We all have the current OS, the time will
come to upgrade to Vista, this is where the OS handouts come in to play.
Some of us are using Vista Business licenses and some of us are waiting to
buy Ultimate. You assume the purchase of an OEM machine and fail to realize
the eventual upgrade.
Now that you've expanded your statement, I find it even
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Alias
Justin said:1. Don't believe anything Alias says about Spain. He's already been caught
lying/talking out his ass about many things (take your pick).
False. I meant budget deficit and I exaggerated regarding Fire Fox's
percentage in Europe, which, of course, given the current trend, will be
way more than 40% vs. Internet Exploder in the very near future.
2. That is the most obsurd thing I have ever read. Making citizens
responsible for the theft actions of others?
Obviously you haven't done any research. If you can read Spanish, here's
a bunch of articles on the subject:
http://www.internautas.org/sincanon/
If you can't read Spanish, try using an on line URL translator to give
yourself an idea of what they are saying.
We're going to charge people that do the right thing MORE money because
there will be people that will do the wrong thing. Wow, if I actualy
believed you, then I would thank God I don't live in Spain.
Every retail store, bar none, passes on the cost of theft to their
paying customers and your non existent god has nothing to do with it.
Alias
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caver1
Justin said:I see what you're saying but you didn't answer the question. Who said you
have the RIGHT to play any content where ever you wish? At what point are
your rights being taken away?
How is DVD any different? You must have DVD hardware or software to play a
DVD. According to you isn't that againt my rights? I should be able to
stick it in any video player and have it play my video.
Evidently the courts in the US already have said that is our right. Not
the right to steal but the right to share or time shift, etc. And by
sharing I do not mean broadcast to everyone in the world.
Why should DVDs be regionalized? Only for greed. So what if I buy a DVD
in Albania then when I move back to the States I can't use that DVD in a
new DVD player I bought here because my Albanian one was damaged in
shipping? Yes its against your rights.
If you read copywrite cases and law you will see that in the US if you
buy the proper media,CDs, any blank tapes, Cassette players that can
record, stand alone dvd/cd burners, Dats etc, you are paying royalties.
It is built into the cost.
Whats wrong with copying your VHS tapes to DVD's? All you are trying to
do is protect your investment. Is not protecting your investment your Right?
Did that not answer your question?
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Justin
Wow, more BS from the BS master him/herself!!!
Alias wrote: "Every retail store, bar none, passes on the cost of theft to
their paying customers and your non existent god has nothing to do with it."
Adding up all your BS in this thread I can only come to one conclusion.
You're nothing more then a dumb kid with no experience. If you are trying
to imply the fact that no retail outlet has what is called a shrinkage hit
on their profit margin then you are simply the dumbest moron to ever open
his/her mouth. As for your later comment, that just shows how much an
absolute waste of time you are. Have fun with your pathetic life, I'm done
with you as are many people here.
Alias wrote: "Every retail store, bar none, passes on the cost of theft to
their paying customers and your non existent god has nothing to do with it."
Adding up all your BS in this thread I can only come to one conclusion.
You're nothing more then a dumb kid with no experience. If you are trying
to imply the fact that no retail outlet has what is called a shrinkage hit
on their profit margin then you are simply the dumbest moron to ever open
his/her mouth. As for your later comment, that just shows how much an
absolute waste of time you are. Have fun with your pathetic life, I'm done
with you as are many people here.
J
Justin
"Is not protecting your investment your Right?"
No, it's not. In certain/most cases are you allowed to. But being "allowed
to" and having it be "a right" are two different things.
"when I move back to the States I can't use that DVD in a new DVD player I
bought here because my Albanian one was damaged in shipping? Yes its against
your rights."
No, that is not against any "rights". If you broke your consumer product
then you need to buy a new consumer product. No one has the "Right to
Consumer Products".
Why DVD's are region protected is another argument and that was NOT what I
was referring to. The problem you missed the point was because DVD's are so
common place they are 100% socially accepted. Once DRM is as common place
it to will be 100% socially accepted. What I was referring to was ANY video
playing device. You argued that you need certain equipment to play DRM
media. Well guess what? You need certain equipment to play anything
(software/hardware).
Thanks, Justin Emlay System Administrator Maisto International, Inc.
909-357-7988 ext.360 909-357-9958 fax (e-mail address removed) www.maisto.com
No, it's not. In certain/most cases are you allowed to. But being "allowed
to" and having it be "a right" are two different things.
"when I move back to the States I can't use that DVD in a new DVD player I
bought here because my Albanian one was damaged in shipping? Yes its against
your rights."
No, that is not against any "rights". If you broke your consumer product
then you need to buy a new consumer product. No one has the "Right to
Consumer Products".
Why DVD's are region protected is another argument and that was NOT what I
was referring to. The problem you missed the point was because DVD's are so
common place they are 100% socially accepted. Once DRM is as common place
it to will be 100% socially accepted. What I was referring to was ANY video
playing device. You argued that you need certain equipment to play DRM
media. Well guess what? You need certain equipment to play anything
(software/hardware).
Thanks, Justin Emlay System Administrator Maisto International, Inc.
909-357-7988 ext.360 909-357-9958 fax (e-mail address removed) www.maisto.com
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Alias
Justin wrote:
Snip baseless insults.
Promises, promises.
Alias
Snip baseless insults.
Have fun with your pathetic life, I'm done
with you as are many people here.
Promises, promises.
Alias
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DCR
| I'm done | with you as are many people here.
A quote stolen directly from the mouth of that reptile, Barbara Bush!
Pathetic
A quote stolen directly from the mouth of that reptile, Barbara Bush!
Pathetic
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Dale
Alias,
It has also been documented in the group that the EU has the same type of
tax or surcharge that you described Spain having. Justin simply appears to
be living in a fantasy world. Justin is right that it is ridiculous to
charge the honest for the behavior of the dishonest but that doesn't change
the fact that it is happening.
You're also right about how stores pass on the cost of theft.
But Justin lives in a world where companies give employees copies of their
Windows and Office software for personal use. And probably give them pens,
toilet paper, miscellaneous computer hardware, and whatever else is in
inventory at the office. Those are all just "the perks of working for a
large company" to Justin. And pirated music or software are just gifts from
the copyright owners. Napster and Kazaa were allowing the free download of
music as a perk. A perk for those who had bought one CD in their teenage
years.
Dale
It has also been documented in the group that the EU has the same type of
tax or surcharge that you described Spain having. Justin simply appears to
be living in a fantasy world. Justin is right that it is ridiculous to
charge the honest for the behavior of the dishonest but that doesn't change
the fact that it is happening.
You're also right about how stores pass on the cost of theft.
But Justin lives in a world where companies give employees copies of their
Windows and Office software for personal use. And probably give them pens,
toilet paper, miscellaneous computer hardware, and whatever else is in
inventory at the office. Those are all just "the perks of working for a
large company" to Justin. And pirated music or software are just gifts from
the copyright owners. Napster and Kazaa were allowing the free download of
music as a perk. A perk for those who had bought one CD in their teenage
years.
Dale
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