[PL] 2004 General Discussion

[Susan Bugher]

NOTE: Removal of other inappropriate nominations will be discussed
during the discussion period.

FURTHER NOTE: Some PCmag utilities were nominated. All PCmag utilities
were *removed* from PL2003 since there is now a charge to access them. I
have *not* listed the nominations. Further discussion, if any seems
necessary, can be posted in this thread at this time.

Susan
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[Susan Bugher]

I think all posts from anonymous remailers should be invalid as votes,
nominations and seconds. However, perhaps a page could be set up to list
programs that were suggested via anon remailers and then others could
nominate the program if they thought that they merited it.

How are you going to deal with sock puppets though?

Well, preferably *not* by giving them lessons - which I think would be
the inevitable result if we have an in-depth discussion now.

Specific objections can be raised during the discussion period. We have
had late nominations and seconds in past years - if such are *needed* we
have a precedent.

Susan
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[John Corliss]

Well, preferably *not* by giving them lessons - which I think would be
the inevitable result if we have an in-depth discussion now.

Good point. What I should have said was, "You might have problems with
sock puppet votes, so you might want to keep an eye out for them somehow."

 

[Susan Bugher]

The Nominations page is here:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php

As many of you know this is the first time I have done this part of the
selection process and I am figuring it out as I go along. Thanks to
*everyone* for helping to make the process go so smoothly.

FYI: There were 470 programs on the nominations list at last count.

I have entered the descriptions for half of the new nominations. To
celebrate this milestone I created a revised set of PL2004 pages
which include the new nominations. (New programs that don't have a
subcategory yet are at the top of the page.)

NOTE: The Category Index page is an exception (I probably won't update
that page until we have the final list of subcategories.)

The Alphabetical list has a column for date revised. New nominations
have either an x or TNB in that column. The programs I have updated are
noted as x (the others are marked TBD.)

Susan
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[Spacey Spade]

In addition, each program must have a complete description and
description review. The description *should* be prepared by the person
who nominates the program and reviewed by the person who seconds a
nomination. Someone else *may* prepare the description and/or review in
order to qualify the program for a place on the ballot.

What is a "description review"?

 

[Boomer]

The Nominations page is here:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php

As many of you know this is the first time I have done this part
of the selection process and I am figuring it out as I go along.
Thanks to *everyone* for helping to make the process go so
smoothly.

FYI: There were 470 programs on the nominations list at last
count. [snip]

Susan

I certainly appreciate all your hard work!!!!!!
Thank you, Susan!

 

[Tiger]

What is a "description review"?

I'd say her second sentence defines it.

 

[Susan Bugher]

What is a "description review"?

Just what it sounds like. After the description has been added to the
PL2004 web page someone checks to make sure that the info is correct,
the links work etc.

so I don't enter the wrong program description . . .

again . . .

Susan
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[Susan Bugher]

Susan Bugher wrote:

The Nominations page is here:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php

As many of you know this is the first time I have done this part
of the selection process and I am figuring it out as I go along.
Thanks to *everyone* for helping to make the process go so
smoothly.

FYI: There were 470 programs on the nominations list at last
count.
[snip]

Susan

I certainly appreciate all your hard work!!!!!!
Thank you, Susan!

Thank *you* Boomer - I needed that . . .

Susan
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[omega]

Nominations are now open for the the 2004 Pricelessware list.

This thread is for general discussion.

The Nominations page is here:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php

The election schedule and procedures are here:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm

and are repeated below.

Susan,

I downloaded the P site, so to have good access to viewing the categories
layout, as well as descriptions of last year's winners.

For the current happenings, I'm thinking of doing something like making
myself an htm page, containing links to the dynamic pages related to the
2004 PL proceedings.

I know you've listed such pages variously in these threads; but if you
might be kind enough to relist those dynamic pages en masse here, I'd
know to have what's most complete.

.. . .

(If my request leads you point me to some MID in acf, or URL at the P
site, with a commandment to rtfm, well er apologies in advance. :-o )

 

[DAN]

Hi Susan,

All PCmag utilities were *removed* from PL2003 since there is now a charge
to access them.

Yeah. I re-read the license file included with the utils. It's pretty nasty.

I guess that now distributing those utils is technically like warez. Oh well.
No doubt that you need to remove them from the PL list.

That sucks.
Actually, it's ZiffDavis that sucks. More than their usual sucky standard.

DAN

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan,

I downloaded the P site, so to have good access to viewing the categories
layout, as well as descriptions of last year's winners.

For the current happenings, I'm thinking of doing something like making
myself an htm page, containing links to the dynamic pages related to the
2004 PL proceedings.

I know you've listed such pages variously in these threads; but if you
might be kind enough to relist those dynamic pages en masse here, I'd
know to have what's most complete.

. . .

(If my request leads you point me to some MID in acf, or URL at the P
site, with a commandment to rtfm, well er apologies in advance. :-o )

Would I do a thing like that? . . . yes . . . <evil grin>

The nominations link (below) has working links to all the other PL2004
pages. Anything that's *not* in PL2004 should have a link on the PL2003
info page (I think).

Now tell me what part of your question I didn't understand?

Susan
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[Genna Reeney]

As many of you know this is the first time I have done this part of
the selection process and I am figuring it out as I go along. Thanks
to
*everyone* for helping to make the process go so smoothly.

Good figuring so far.

 

[Son Of Spy]

Good figuring so far.

Seconded

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[Susan Bugher]

The Alphabetical list has a column for date revised. New nominations
have either an x or TNB in that column. The programs I have updated are
noted as x (the others are marked TBD.)

I just uploaded another set of pages - I believe the descriptions etc.
etc. are current now (soon to change no doubt) . . .

Susan
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PL2004 Review: http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
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[Gord McFee]

The Nominations page is here:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php

As many of you know this is the first time I have done this part of the
selection process and I am figuring it out as I go along. Thanks to
*everyone* for helping to make the process go so smoothly.

FYI: There were 470 programs on the nominations list at last count.

I have entered the descriptions for half of the new nominations. To
celebrate this milestone I created a revised set of PL2004 pages
which include the new nominations. (New programs that don't have a
subcategory yet are at the top of the page.)[/QUOTE]

You da girl, girl.

 

[Susan Bugher]

The PL links button received this request:

I don't post direct to Usenet (please do not publish my E-mail) but would
like to nominate the Microhouse IDE/CMOS Backup utilities for the 2004
Pricelessware list.

Category: System Utilities, SysInfo Backup (new?); Freeware; English
OS: DOS + Win9x/ME DOS box.

Text: MHIDE97.ZIP is a collection of Free IDE/CMOS utilities from
Microhouse (1997) to Query, Swap, Save and Restore System areas (MBR,
FAT, etc.) to Floppy/elsewhere (includes CMOS & Extended CMOS). (191kB)
Note: The main programs (IDE/info, Save & Restore) are full-screen
interactive type programs that will display everything one needs to
know for each step. All work great with Drives up to 40GB (tested). A
set of "Help" files (*.txt) are also included for reference.

Source: http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/m/cmech617/mhide97.zip

AFAIK this is a sincere request from a regular ACF lurker.

IMO nominations *must* be posted directly to the alt.comp.freeware
newsgroup.

Is anyone familiar with the program? Does someone have the time to
evaluate it? Perhaps nominate it?

Comments?

Susan
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[Sietse Fliege]

The PL links button received this request:


AFAIK this is a sincere request from a regular ACF lurker.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was an occasional poster in '99-'01.

IMO nominations *must* be posted directly to the alt.comp.freeware
newsgroup.

As a rule, yes, IMO. But you know rules...

Is anyone familiar with the program? Does someone have the time to
evaluate it? Perhaps nominate it?

Comments?

Susan

I just needed to have a look at the descriptions (*and dates* !) :

MHIDE - IDE Identification Utility Version 3.00 (c) 1991-1994
This program uses the IDE Identify Drive Command to get information
on the drive's manufacturer, model, serial number, firmware revision,
logical heads, cylinders, and sectors, and other specifications.

MHPARK V1.1 - DRIVEPRO DRIVE HEAD PARKING PROGRAM (c) 1992

MH-RESTR - Important Information Restoration Utility V2.00 (c) 1991-1993
This program is used to restore all or parts of a backup of vital system
information created by the companion utility "MH-SAVE". It can be used
to recover damaged partition tables, file allocation tables, boot
records, root directories, CMOS date and time, the rest of the normal
CMOS contents, and/or the extended CMOS contents.

MHSAVE - Important Information Backup Utility Version 2.10 (c) 1991-1993
This program is used for making a backup of vital system areas of your
hard drive or drives.

MHSYS 1.0 - DRIVEPRO UTILITY FOR COPYING SYSTEM FILES (c) 1992

ESCAN v1.7: Identifies the manufacturer of all Ethernet LAN cards on
your NetWare net. 09-23-93

EZ-SWAP - Master/Slave Swap Utility Version 1.00 (c) 1995


I rest my case, sorry.

 

[Susan Bugher]

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php

a revised set of pages is available - 489 programs

have a look . . .

I see more have just arrived . . .

bye

Susan
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[Bjorn Simonsen]

a revised set of pages is available - 489 programs

have a look . . .

Many thanks - makes it easier to keep up with the many nominations.

Suggesting minor adjustments: I see you have "AR RAM DISK" and
"XMSDSK" (neither not seconded yet) listed under the sub-category
"5 CD Tool" on <www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004SYSTEMUTILITIES.htm>
and <www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php>.

Suggested category in
<was:
"Memory Utility" Just a slip? IMHO neither belongs under "CD Tool"
(even if a ram disk utility can be used with a boot-cd).

Along the same line, I notice the "Memory utility" category from 2003
page is missing, and replaced with "1 RAM Tester" "2 Process Monitor:
RAM" and "4 RAM Manager". Not sure if this is the smart thing to do,
compared to keeping the older - broader category. But if you want to
keep in line with this division - then I suggest Ram-disks utilities
get their own category...namely "RAM-DISK UTIL" - at least for the
nomination phase

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen