Opera vs Mozilla browser?

[mike ring]

It's one of most user-friendly features of 'modern' browsers (MyIE2,
CrazyBrowser, Firefox, etc). Most of the time the default option
consists in opening a link in a new tab if the user clicks this link with
the scroll wheel (or middle button) of his mouse.

Ah, I guess that would be nice if I had a middle button.

The other annoying thing is it often opens a new window when I don't really
want it to, although it's not the resource hog that IE was - a few quick
popunders could crash me computer.

mike

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Excellent, thanks »Q«.

You're very welcome.

Could you also direct me to a NG dedicated to Firefox, since the
italian group it-alt.comp.software.mozilla is not much active?

The only one I know of is netscape.mozilla.firebird, accessible only
on the secure nntp server secnews.netscape.com. It does not get a
lot of traffic, but there are some people there who know a lot.
Posting guidelines are at
<http://mozillachampions.mozdev.org/guidelines.html>, and it does
help a lot to read them; the 'rules' are different than for Usenet.
Learning not to snip anything is something I am still working on.

That page mentions the developer newsgroups on the news.mozilla.org
server. Those groups are the netscape.public.* groups that are also
propagated on Usenet. They have been overrun by users, you may be
able to find a place in there to discuss Firefox; I am not sure
whether developers are still using them to try to get their work
done.

IMO putting the user groups on a secure server and having the
developer groups on Usenet was not the wisest of choices by the
Netscape/Mozilla folks. It led, among other things, to the
Mozillazine web forums becoming the place where most user discussion
was held, and now those forums have been crushed by the load of
serving up cute smileys and other graphics. Uh-oh, I'm slipping
into rant mode -- I'd better quit now.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

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I hope I've got the thread straight, and you're using Firefox. If
not, please ignore everything below.

Ah, I guess that would be nice if I had a middle button.

See what ctrl+click and ctrl+shift+click will do for you. I think
these work by default, but I don't remember everything that every
extension is doing for me.

The other annoying thing is it often opens a new window when I
don't really want it to,

Check out the Single Window extension. It catches most, but not
quite all, new window requests and instead opens a new tab.
shift+click works to force a new window in cases where you do want
one.

although it's not the resource hog that
IE was - a few quick popunders could crash me computer.

The simple, effective popup blocking of Firefox is something I take
for granted, but it really is great. It's on by default, but you can
turn it off or override it on a per-site basis via
Tools|Options|Web Features.

 

[Aaron]

Conor ([email protected]) said those last words:


I just refuse to visit "IE required" sites. (1 or 2% of the sites).

And I like Opera because it gives me the feeling of control (a lot of
options to adjust).

PS: I don't want to start a holy war (Firefox x Opera).

No worries, the original poster that started this thread tried already

[]s

Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[MLC]

domenica 27/giu/2004 _»Q«_ in

The only one I know of is netscape.mozilla.firebird, accessible only
on the secure nntp server secnews.netscape.com. It does not get a
lot of traffic, but there are some people there who know a lot.

Thank you »Q«. I looked at the groups carried by secnews.netscape.com and
I've found that they are carried also by news.individual.net.
This is good
Instead, I can't find any NG named netscape.mozilla.firebird: are you sure
about the name?

Anyway I've subscribed netscape.public.mozilla.browser and also
alt.fan.mozilla, where I see there is a lot to learn for me.

It's very helpful http://forums.mozillazine.org/, but on dialup I still
prefer to read the NGs... (even if Firefox is much faster!).

[...]

Uh-oh, I'm slipping into rant mode -- I'd better quit now.

On the contrary: it was very interesting

 

[Al Smith]

Well, I've seen the discussions here for years but never got into

them. I'm an IE-convert and I just took care to keep my av software
up to date. Win98SE isn't supported anymore, as everyone knows, and
there will be no more updates for vulernabilities so due to the latest
problem from yesterday re IE, makes me think it is now definitely time
to switch. But which browser?

So I'd thought I'd take a poll, as it were, to get some pros and cons
for each before starting this whole evaluation, etc., process.

If anyone cares to comment on either, would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.

I tried Opera. The browser was OK, but the mail and news function
didn't work very well at all. I use Mozilla because it gives me my
browser, and my mail and news, all in one package. It's convenient
that way. Mozilla was slow getting to the point where it could be
used, but it's like a steam roller, and passed Opera long ago in
browser quality, and has also passed Internet Explorer, for that
matter.

 

[mike ring]

Check out the Single Window extension. It catches most, but not
quite all, new window requests and instead opens a new tab.
shift+click works to force a new window in cases where you do want
one.

<http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/authorprofiles.php?id=24>

Thanks for that, Q, I've ionstalled it and it appears to work, and I've
also found the mouse commands you mentioned, but it's all rather complex.

However, I can now open new windows as new tabs, but I think my preferred
method is to use the same window every time and use the back button to
refer back.

But using new tabs may be faster, but I can see myself getting several
squillion tabs open at once...

The reference you gave also led to the forum and help sites, which are now
ok, and appear to be written in English, unlike so many open source sites
which are only useful to native Klingon speakers.

So I'll go away and explore the brave new world

thanks

mike

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

I looked at the groups carried by
secnews.netscape.com and I've found that they are carried also by
news.individual.net. This is good

Ah, some of them are indeed, but not all. I didn't realize that any
were carried by Usenet servers. But I see from some Path headers that
secnews.netscape.com peers with some Usenet servers. That is good --
thanks for pointing it out.

Instead, I can't find any NG named netscape.mozilla.firebird: are
you sure about the name?

I just double-checked, and that is the correct name. It is on
secnews.netscape.com but not on news.individual.net. Maybe they'd add
it if you request.

Anyway I've subscribed netscape.public.mozilla.browser and also
alt.fan.mozilla, where I see there is a lot to learn for me.

Ah, I forgot about alt.fan.mozilla. It was always too noisy for me,
but I should check it out again.

It's very helpful http://forums.mozillazine.org/, but on dialup I
still prefer to read the NGs... (even if Firefox is much faster!).

They're back online, hopefully to stay. (Still loading very slowly for
me.) And I see 0.9.1's release is expected to be tomorrow.

<http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=91306>

 

[fitwell]

I think this is what you want, not sure as I don't know about IE's
links bar.

There is a special folder in bookmarks called the "Bookmarks Toolbar
Folder," and any bookmark in it will be displayed as a clickable link
on the bookmarks toolbar. You can also put subfolders in it, which
will appear on the toolbar as pull-down menus.

While I've got you looking in bookmarks, you may want to check out the
"Quick Search" feature. The help page for them talks about Mozilla,
but they work just as well in Firefox. I find them invaluable. For
example, if I wanted to search Google's archive of a.c.f for mentions
of firefox, I'd just type "acf firefox" in the location bar, and if I
wanted to pull up all of your posts, I'd type "acfauth fitwell".
<http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/bookmarks/> looks a bit
daunting, but once you learn how, setting them up is a snap.

Kewl, thank you. I'll check all this out.

D

 

[fitwell]

fitwell ([email protected]) said those last words:

Mozilla and Firefox, what's the difference as I'm getting confused
<g>.

Firefox is just the browser part of the full Mozilla suite.

(i.e. it's not as big as the entire Mozilla).

[]s

That's what I thought, but I didn't want to assume. I'm guessing that
the names are used interchangeably a bit by some, perhaps in error
(?), which is why I was getting momentarily confused.

Thanks.

 

[fitwell]

The links toolbar is now called your personal toolbar folder. You can
either save a bookmark there or drag a site from the address bar. Just
make sure it is checked under view - toolbars.

Although I'm still shaky, it doesn't seem to me that this is like the
Links toolbar at all. Firefox's "Bookmarks" toolbar behaves only like
the regular Favorites does in IE.

Still, I'll just keep looking. I hope to figure this out soon.

Thanks!

 

[fitwell]

I think this is what you want, not sure as I don't know about IE's
links bar.

There is a special folder in bookmarks called the "Bookmarks Toolbar
Folder," and any bookmark in it will be displayed as a clickable link
on the bookmarks toolbar. You can also put subfolders in it, which
will appear on the toolbar as pull-down menus.

I am doing something wrong then, definitely! <g> It seems to act now
just as IE favourites does only. I'm guessing I must have deleted the
folder accidentally that handles this. I created one called
"Bookmarks Tooblar Folder" but it must have something associated with

 

[Joe Silver]

X-No-archive: yes

Just a few additional notes about Mozilla and Mozilla Firefox:

1. Mozilla can be installed as a standalone browser - without the mail
client, etc. I have both Mozilla and Firefox installed on my computer.
Although I tend to go with Firefox most of the time, occasionally I'll
switch to Mozilla for variety's sake. A lot of the customization that
can be done to Firefox by editing the user.js, prefs.js,
userChrome.css and userContent.css files can also be applied to
Mozilla. See http://texturizer.net/firefox/tips.html for details.

2. Unlike Firefox, Mozilla has a nice WYSIWYG Web page editor -
Mozilla Composer.

3. One of the neatest features of both Mozilla and Firefox is that you
can block _all_ ads - not just pop-ups! There is third-party software
that can do this for Internet Explorer, but with Mozilla and Firefox
this can be accomplished without the need for such software. See
http://texturizer.net/firefox/adblock.html for details.

4. I've come to appreciate tabbed browsing quite a bit, to the point
where going back to IE and doing without it is a drag. My third-most
used browser (for those relatively rare pages that can only be
rendered properly with IE) is SlimBrowswer - which, like Avant
Browser, is not really a browser in and of itself, but rather a shell
for IE. It offers not only tabbed browsing, but variable font sizes,
something I'm not sure whether or not Avant Browser can do.

 

[Brian Pipa]

Opera - can't beat the mouse gestures!

Mozilla/FF has mouse gestures - just DL the Gestures extension -
http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/

I got so used ot gestures that I wanted them for all my programs and
found Strokeit - http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/ - which gives me
gestures in any/every program!

 

[Brian Pipa]

While I've got you looking in bookmarks, you may want to check out the
"Quick Search" feature. The help page for them talks about Mozilla,
but they work just as well in Firefox. I find them invaluable. For
example, if I wanted to search Google's archive of a.c.f for mentions
of firefox, I'd just type "acf firefox" in the location bar, and if I
wanted to pull up all of your posts, I'd type "acfauth fitwell".
<http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/bookmarks/> looks a bit
daunting, but once you learn how, setting them up is a snap.

I LOVE those. I have a bunch setup in Mozilla and couldn't live without
them.
g is google
gt is Google's "I'm feeling lucky"
d is dictionary
e is ebay
m is mailinator.com

etc. etc.

 

[MLC]

domenica 27/giu/2004 _»Q«_ in

I just double-checked, and that is the correct name. It is on
secnews.netscape.com but not on news.individual.net. Maybe they'd add
it if you request.

Found it now in secnews.netscape.com, downloading again the NGs list!
Yesterday I didn't check the SSL option box, maybe that was the cause...

Thanks again for your help

 

[Aaron]

I think this is what you want, not sure as I don't know about IE's
links bar.

There is a special folder in bookmarks called the "Bookmarks Toolbar
Folder," and any bookmark in it will be displayed as a clickable link
on the bookmarks toolbar. You can also put subfolders in it, which
will appear on the toolbar as pull-down menus.

While I've got you looking in bookmarks, you may want to check out the
"Quick Search" feature. The help page for them talks about Mozilla,
but they work just as well in Firefox. I find them invaluable. For
example, if I wanted to search Google's archive of a.c.f for mentions
of firefox, I'd just type "acf firefox" in the location bar, and if I
wanted to pull up all of your posts, I'd type "acfauth fitwell".
<http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/bookmarks/> looks a bit
daunting, but once you learn how, setting them up is a snap.

Interestingly enough the advice on this page is now not necessary.

With firefox 0.9 and mozilla 1.7, all you need to do is to right click on
the form and select the option "add a keyword search for this search, and
you will be prompted to enter the keyword. Easy, no fuss no fuss.






Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[Aaron]

(e-mail address removed) (Joe Silver) wrote in

Some clarifications and additions

2. Unlike Firefox, Mozilla has a nice WYSIWYG Web page editor -
Mozilla Composer.

There is a standalone version of the composer here http://www.nvu.com/

3. One of the neatest features of both Mozilla and Firefox is that you
can block _all_ ads - not just pop-ups! There is third-party software
that can do this for Internet Explorer, but with Mozilla and Firefox
this can be accomplished without the need for such software. See
http://texturizer.net/firefox/adblock.html for details.

Technically using css methods, only hides the ads from appearing, as
opposed to blocking them completely. You still waste time downloading
them. You will need Adblock as an extension to really block them.




Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

I am doing something wrong then, definitely! <g> It seems to act
now just as IE favourites does only. I'm guessing I must have
deleted the folder accidentally that handles this. I created one
called "Bookmarks Tooblar Folder" but it must have something
associated with it to make it work as you say it does.
<arggghhhh> <g>

I can't reproduce that, so I'm not sure how to help. I cannot
delete the Bookmarks Toolbar Folder; the delete option is greyed
out for that folder, and the delete key does nothing. It is
possible to create more than one folder with that name, but only
that one works. In bookmarks.html (in the profile directory),
viewing the source of a new profile I just created, it looks like
there is indeed a special marker of the Bookmarks Toolbar Folder:

<DT><H3 PERSONAL_TOOLBAR_FOLDER="true" ID="rdf:#$ds8KK2">Bookmarks Toolbar Folder</H3>

I don't know what to suggest other than looking at the source of
your bookmarks.html and trying to figure out how to edit it.

Of you could create a new profile (running Firefox with the -p switch
will bring up the profile management dialog) and then copy the newly
created bookmarks.html to your old profile.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Interestingly enough the advice on this page is now not necessary.

With firefox 0.9 and mozilla 1.7, all you need to do is to right
click on the form and select the option "add a keyword search for
this search, and you will be prompted to enter the keyword. Easy,
no fuss no fuss.

Thanks! That does make it simpler.