Opera vs Mozilla browser?

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fitwell

Well, I've seen the discussions here for years but never got into
them. I'm an IE-convert and I just took care to keep my av software
up to date. Win98SE isn't supported anymore, as everyone knows, and
there will be no more updates for vulernabilities so due to the latest
problem from yesterday re IE, makes me think it is now definitely time
to switch. But which browser?

So I'd thought I'd take a poll, as it were, to get some pros and cons
for each before starting this whole evaluation, etc., process.

If anyone cares to comment on either, would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.
 
M

Michael Forsythe

fitwell said:
Well, I've seen the discussions here for years but never got into
them. I'm an IE-convert and I just took care to keep my av software
up to date. Win98SE isn't supported anymore, as everyone knows, and
there will be no more updates for vulernabilities so due to the latest
problem from yesterday re IE, makes me think it is now definitely time
to switch. But which browser?

So I'd thought I'd take a poll, as it were, to get some pros and cons
for each before starting this whole evaluation, etc., process.

If anyone cares to comment on either, would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.


I've tried both. In my opinion Opera is a great browser with many
capabilities, but hard to get used to. Mozilla is much more
user-friendy. Note that you could get the Mozilla "suite" which
includes the browser, Mail & Newsgroups, Composer, Address Book, and
Chatzilla; but if you only need the browser, try Firefox which is even
more user-friendly than the suite.
 
C

Conor

fitwell said:
Well, I've seen the discussions here for years but never got into
them. I'm an IE-convert and I just took care to keep my av software
up to date. Win98SE isn't supported anymore, as everyone knows, and
there will be no more updates for vulernabilities so due to the latest
problem from yesterday re IE, makes me think it is now definitely time
to switch. But which browser?

So I'd thought I'd take a poll, as it were, to get some pros and cons
for each before starting this whole evaluation, etc., process.
Mozilla Firefox seems to work with quite a few "IE only" websites,
particularly online banking.
 
A

Antoine

fitwell said:
Well, I've seen the discussions here for years but never got into
them. I'm an IE-convert and I just took care to keep my av
software up to date. Win98SE isn't supported anymore, as everyone
knows, and there will be no more updates for vulernabilities so
due to the latest problem from yesterday re IE, makes me think it
is now definitely time to switch. But which browser?

So I'd thought I'd take a poll, as it were, to get some pros and
cons for each before starting this whole evaluation, etc.,
process.

If anyone cares to comment on either, would greatly appreciate it.

Apart from technical features, there is a big licence gap :

- Mozilla or Mozilla firefox : free and opensource
- Opera : adware or shareware
 
F

fitwell

Apart from technical features, there is a big licence gap :

- Mozilla or Mozilla firefox : free and opensource
- Opera : adware or shareware

Thank you everyone for your comments re which one you prefer.
Everything points to Mozilla and Firefox as being the best choice, it
seems. Sounds good. Going to check out Firefox now.
 
J

jo

fitwell said:
Thank you everyone for your comments re which one you prefer.
Everything points to Mozilla and Firefox as being the best choice, it
seems. Sounds good. Going to check out Firefox now.

My feeling is that Opera uses less resource than Firefox, and is
faster, and has more features.
 
F

fitwell

My feeling is that Opera uses less resource than Firefox, and is
faster, and has more features.

What about the adware, etc.

I've installed Firefox and it'll take some getting used to though I'm
okay with that. I used Netscape first for years before going back to
IE. It had 2 things I really use - save webpages completely and the
links toolbar.

Is there a Firefox forum of some sort somewhere? I'd like to learn
how to get something like the Links bar up as I can't live without
that.

Another thought, I'm guessing IE Text Archiver won't work on Firefox?
I'll need to find a solution to that as I use that quite extensively.

Anyway, thanks everyone. Looking forward to worrying less about IE
attacks. <g>
 
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Chaos Master

fitwell ([email protected]) said those last words:
Well, I've seen the discussions here for years but never got into
them. I'm an IE-convert and I just took care to keep my av software
up to date. Win98SE isn't supported anymore, as everyone knows, and
there will be no more updates for vulernabilities so due to the latest
problem from yesterday re IE, makes me think it is now definitely time
to switch. But which browser?

I prefer Opera. It's a bit hard to get used to it, tho.

[]s
--
© Chaos Master. | "I've tried so hard to tell
My Evanescence HP is at: | myself that you're gone
http://marreka.no-ip.com | And thought you were still
(most often offline... ) | with me..."
------------------------- -- Evanescence, "My Immortal"
 
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Chaos Master

fitwell ([email protected]) said those last words:
What about the adware, etc.

For me it just shows a 2-line bar with some ads. Not much of a problem on a
1024x768 screen.

I am considering to pay for Opera.

[]s
--
© Chaos Master. | "I've tried so hard to tell
My Evanescence HP is at: | myself that you're gone
http://marreka.no-ip.com | And thought you were still
(most often offline... ) | with me..."
------------------------- -- Evanescence, "My Immortal"
 
M

Michael Forsythe

fitwell wrote:

/snip/
Is there a Firefox forum of some sort somewhere? I'd like to learn
how to get something like the Links bar up as I can't live without
that.

forums.mozillazine.org
 
B

Bill Day

Well, I've seen the discussions here for years but never got into
them. I'm an IE-convert and I just took care to keep my av software
up to date. Win98SE isn't supported anymore, as everyone knows, and
there will be no more updates for vulernabilities so due to the latest
problem from yesterday re IE, makes me think it is now definitely time
to switch. But which browser?

So I'd thought I'd take a poll, as it were, to get some pros and cons
for each before starting this whole evaluation, etc., process.

If anyone cares to comment on either, would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.
I use both--- I like the possibilities show in Mozilla/Firefox with all
the phugins/extensions, but that process is still being developed and
does not always work like it is supposed to...and changes every update!

Opera has fewer 'gadgets', but is more stable. It does have features
Mozilla does NOT have yet, like keyboard shortcuts for almost
everything. In Opera, if I have gone several levels into a site, all I
need do is hit "z" and I back up a level.."x" goes forward again...(with
the 'back' and 'forward' menus still available for specific pages). When
confronted with a page with many URLs, such as thumbnailed images or
links to different threads in a forum, the keyboard use of 'Q' or 'A'
zips me up & down thru those links. (Note the placement of Q A Z X under
the left hand)...and 1 & 2 in the following
Also, Opera can be configured for single document interface or multiple
document interface...meaning what shows on my bar can be controlled more
easily. (This can help with privacy if someone is looking over you
shoulder...*grin*)
.... If I have 6 pages open in single document interface, I see only the
one in focus, and navigate thru the others using '1' and '2' on the
keyboard..(4 &5 will do other tricks like minimizing and cascading).

Now...some seldom mentioned points. In Mozilla, you hit 'tab' or click
with the mouse to give focus to the address bar, in Opera you hit
F8...but then!...hit left arrow (NOT the backspace key)...in Mozilla,
you go to the left-hand end of the address...NOT what I usually want. In
Opera, hitting the left arrow removes highlighting and backspaces one
position, so I can edit an address. Small point? Not if you spend a lot
of time trying to navigate around websites that don't make it easy...I
hate having to click back to the end of the address I am modifying and
either hit RIGHT arrow first or click twice.

To go on...people are always talking about how FAST a browser is..I
suppose they mean loading and rendering a web page. I see very little
difference in them between various browsers, and with broadband, this
become almost negligible.
The speed I do notice is internal....I post often to forums where I am
constantly reading a thread, then going back to the main page. Mozilla &
Firefox seem to 'hang' when going 'back'...as if they were
reloading----then there is a brief display of the page AT THE TOP--then
it returns to the spot I was at in the long list of threads. (I hope
that is clear)...in Opera, I hit back (or 'Z') and I am immediately
returned to EXACTLY where I was, as if each place is memorized in a temp
cache and reloaded with no delay. If you get used to Opera, you grit
your teeth at the 2-4 second delay in other browsers. To add to this,
Opera 6 had a feature that automatically saved your configuration in
case of a crash, and offered you choices when re-booting or reloading.
Opera 7 goes further and offers 'last session' or 'saved session' at
each signon.....(I think I saw that Firefox is beginning to offer some
similar extension)

Now, there are plenty of features that are (or will be) available in
Mozilla/Firefox that Opera does NOT seem to plan...all sorts of personal
configuration options of toolbars and search bars etc....which is why I
expect to keep both Opera and Mozilla (well...probably Firefox only)
for the foreseeable future. I even have no problem with having both open
at the same time and using the features I need. (I do right now, to
double check the behaviors I mentioned)

Opera and the various iterations of Mozilla/Firefox are simply different
beasts. One is open source and easily configurable, the other is built
in each release with the features the creators want....in the last
analysis, YOU will have to try them and see what suits you..............
 
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TickleMeEmu

fitwell said:
Well, I've seen the discussions here for years but never got into
them. I'm an IE-convert and I just took care to keep my av software
up to date. Win98SE isn't supported anymore, as everyone knows, and
there will be no more updates for vulernabilities so due to the latest
problem from yesterday re IE, makes me think it is now definitely time
to switch. But which browser?

So I'd thought I'd take a poll, as it were, to get some pros and cons
for each before starting this whole evaluation, etc., process.

If anyone cares to comment on either, would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.

They both pale in comparison to AvantBrowser.
 
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I just realized you were talking about Mozilla (I should try
reading the Subject), not Firefox, in most of what you said.
I'd already written some stuff about Firefox, so
I'll go ahead and send it. Can't hurt to have all three browsers
compared. :)
Opera has fewer 'gadgets', but is more stable. It does have
features Mozilla does NOT have yet, like keyboard shortcuts for
almost everything. In Opera, if I have gone several levels into a
site, all I need do is hit "z" and I back up a level.."x" goes
forward again...(with the 'back' and 'forward' menus still
available for specific pages).

alt+arrow does this in Firefox, left or right arrow depending on
whether you want to go forward or back.
When confronted with a page with
many URLs, such as thumbnailed images or links to different
threads in a forum, the keyboard use of 'Q' or 'A' zips me up &
down thru those links.

Tab and shift+tab do this in Firefox. The 'find text as you type'
feature of Firefox forces most keyboard commands to use ctrl or alt.
I would like it if the keybindings could be changed, though; I
don't know if rebinding is in the devs' plans or not.
Also, Opera can be configured for single document interface or
multiple document interface...meaning what shows on my bar can be
controlled more easily. (This can help with privacy if someone is
looking over you shoulder...*grin*)
... If I have 6 pages open in single document interface, I see
only the one in focus, and navigate thru the others using '1' and
'2' on the keyboard..

shift+tab or ctrl+shift+tab
Now...some seldom mentioned points. In Mozilla, you hit 'tab' or
click with the mouse to give focus to the address bar,

With Firefox, though tab would eventually give focus to the location
bar, it will move you through the links on the page first. Either
ctrl+l or F6 takes you to the location bar in Firefox.
in Opera
you hit F8...but then!...hit left arrow (NOT the backspace
key)...in Mozilla, you go to the left-hand end of the
address...NOT what I usually want. In Opera, hitting the left
arrow removes highlighting and backspaces one position, so I can
edit an address. Small point? Not if you spend a lot of time
trying to navigate around websites that don't make it easy...I
hate having to click back to the end of the address I am
modifying and
either hit RIGHT arrow first or click twice.

With Firefox, tapping the right arrow removes the highlight and
leaves the cursor at the right-hand side of whatever is in the
location bar.

There's a list of FF keyboard commands at the texturizer help site,
but it seems to be down at the moment. Google, google....
<http://www.mozilla.org/projects/help-viewer/docs/firebird/shortcuts.html>
 
S

scroob

They both pale in comparison to AvantBrowser.

Which is just a front end for IE. What about that don't you understand?
You're still using IE and are vulnerable to all it's exploits.


From their website:

"Is Avant Browser a secure browser?

Yes, Avant Browser is secure. Since it's based on Internet Explorer, Avant
Browser is as secure as Internet Explorer."


What a laugh! As secure as IE? That's the main reason people are dumping
IE!
 
C

Conor

TickleMeEmu said:
They both pale in comparison to AvantBrowser.
You mean that browser which isn't actually a browser but modified IE
toolbars? And a browser that proudly boasts its secure as its based on
Internet Explorer which has more holes than Swiss cheese?
 
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Paul

fitwell said:
Thank you everyone for your comments re which one you prefer.
Everything points to Mozilla and Firefox as being the best choice, it
seems. Sounds good. Going to check out Firefox now.

I used to like Opera before I heard of Firefox, then I found out about
Firefox, tried it, and dumped Opera immediately. Firefox rules!
 
D

dansheen

fitwell said:
Well, I've seen the discussions here for years but never got into
them. I'm an IE-convert and I just took care to keep my av software
up to date. Win98SE isn't supported anymore, as everyone knows, and
there will be no more updates for vulernabilities so due to the latest
problem from yesterday re IE, makes me think it is now definitely time
to switch. But which browser?

So I'd thought I'd take a poll, as it were, to get some pros and cons
for each before starting this whole evaluation, etc., process.

If anyone cares to comment on either, would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.

I think I've tried most of the browsers including the explorer shells to see
which ones I prefer. Opera had a much greater learning curve for me then
any of the others plus adware. Given all the other options I've gone back
to Mozilla and Avant.
 

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