News reader?

[Bob Adkins]

That is exactly what I suspected.
Well, thanks anyway.
We will have to wait for new versions of Dialog with some of these problems
fixed.

Hey Roger, be sure to hit up 40tude with a request for those features. I'll
do the same.

Bob

Remove "kins" from address to reply.

 

[Roger Johansson]

Hey Roger, be sure to hit up 40tude with a request for those features. I'll
do the same.

Yes, I'll see what I can do.

 

[DC]

[...]

Please bottom post. Xnews, you will find, correctly places
your cursor at the bottom of quoted text by default. Why
break with convention?

[...]

Did Luu fix that version of Xnews that top posted by default, or
is that the last newest version, if you know?

I don't know.

I *do* know that his intention was to make it easier for people to
inter-post (snipping as appropriate) without having to first scroll up
to the top of the quoted text.

This, obviously, was a stupid idea, and I've very clearly expressed my
disagreement with this change in nsr. While you could expect that most
Xnews users would understand the benefits of bottom posting and
snipping, it is the OE converts that have been given little incentive to
change the bad habits that OE encourages by design.

I will not actively recommend any of the 6.xx.xx[1] versions for this very
reason.


[1] All 6.xx.xx versions, only because I forget which beta this
'feature' crept in at.

 

[Roger Johansson]

While you could expect that most
Xnews users would understand the benefits of bottom posting and
snipping, it is the OE converts that have been given little incentive to
change the bad habits that OE encourages by design.

I think the best advice we could spread is to select a few lines you want
to reply to before you hit the reply button.
(and bottom post under the quoted lines)

Most newsreaders support this method, and will only include the selected
part as quotes.

If people starting doing this it would lead to a lot less useless quoted
lines in the messages.

 

[My Name]

[...]

Did Luu fix that version of Xnews that top posted by
default, or is that the last newest version, if you know?

I don't know.

I *do* know that his intention was to make it easier for
people to inter-post (snipping as appropriate) without
having to first scroll up to the top of the quoted text.

You can do that (AYK) with what I've got mapped to the "skip
quoted text" key, backslash. Also there is the pushbutton for
mousers. If I under standand what you mean by scrolling to....
To mean skipping to the first non-quoted text.

This, obviously, was a stupid idea, and I've very clearly
expressed my disagreement with this change in nsr. While
you could expect that most Xnews users would understand the
benefits of bottom posting and snipping, it is the OE
converts that have been given little incentive to change
the bad habits that OE encourages by design.

Mmm hmm.

I will not actively recommend any of the 6.xx.xx[1]
versions for this very reason.

[1] All 6.xx.xx versions, only because I forget which beta
this 'feature' crept in at.

That's what I wondered, if you recalled which one it was. I made
a note, somewhere.
I think it was about two/three versions back from the latest.

 

[My Name]

I will not actively recommend any of the 6.xx.xx[1]
versions for this very reason.

[1] All 6.xx.xx versions, only because I forget which beta
this 'feature' crept in at.

That's what I wondered, if you recalled which one it was. I
made a note, somewhere.

Just found my note. It was/is 6-08-25 That appears to be the
last version. This is what convinces me more than ever that Luu
has truly set aside Xnews, and possibly, forever. I'm starting
to wish he'd release the source or port it. "Musing aloud".
Lessee, can someone reverse Xnews, and compile it for Linux.
Prolly shouldn't think out loud.

 

[dszady]

["dszady"; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:15:04 GMT]

40tude Dialog v 2.0.10.1 (Beta 33)
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004INTERNET.htm#A106

Just DL'd it, and boy am I impressed. But will it sway me from Xnews ...?
XanaNews didn't. (It needs more time to mature.)

You have to use it for a while. It's slower than Xnews for d/l messages but
you can read them offline.
I like the 2 pane setup like Xnews has. At first it was a little hard to
find because at first glance it gives the impression of a 3-pane reader.
Can't beat the GUI. And the spellcheck I keep forgetting to use even though
it will on-the-fly.

 

[DC]

I think the best advice we could spread is to select a few lines you want
to reply to before you hit the reply button.
(and bottom post under the quoted lines)

Xnews does this nicely.

Most newsreaders support this method, and will only include the selected
part as quotes.

Can you name a few that also do this? I had Xnews for a whole year
before discovering this feature and was snipping by hand. }:O)

[...]

 

[DC]

My Name wrote:
[...]

Did Luu fix that version of Xnews that top posted by
default, or is that the last newest version, if you know?

I don't know.
I *do* know that his intention was to make it easier for
people to inter-post (snipping as appropriate) without
having to first scroll up to the top of the quoted text.

You can do that (AYK) with what I've got mapped to the "skip
quoted text" key, backslash. Also there is the pushbutton for
mousers. If I under standand what you mean by scrolling to....
To mean skipping to the first non-quoted text.

No, I'm refering to the editor.

In those versions prior to the "broken" one, Xnews placed the cursor at
the bottom which caused you to have to scroll up to snip and inter-post
responses. In the latest beta version, Xnews places the cursor at the
top in the editor. While this does make it easier to snip and
inter-post, it also makes it too convenient to not bother snipping at
all and to simply top post.

It's a lose-lose situation. I understand Luu's reasoning in making the
change. I just don't think that he weighed which was the lesser of the
two evils.

[...]

 

[DC]

My Name wrote:

[...]

Just found my note. It was/is 6-08-25 That appears to be the
last version.

Thanks.

[...]

 

[DC]

["dszady"; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:15:04 GMT]

40tude Dialog v 2.0.10.1 (Beta 33)

[...]

And the spellcheck I keep forgetting to use even though
it will on-the-fly.

I have a spelling checker,
It came with my PC,
It plane lea marks four my revue,
Miss steaks eye can knot sea.

Eye ran this poem threw it,
Your sure reel glad two no,
Its vary polished in it's weigh,
My checker told me sew.

A checker is a bless sing,
It freeze you loads of thyme,
It helps me to write awl styles two reed.
And aides me when I rhyme.

Butt now be cause my spelling,
Is checked with such grate flare,
Their are know faults with in my cite,
Of nun eye am a wear.

To right with care is quite a feet,
Of witch won should be proud,
And wee muss dew the best wee can,
Sew flaws are knot aloud.

Sow ewe can sea why aye do prays,
Such soft ware for pea seas,
And why I brake in two averse,
By righting want too pleas.

(unattributed)

 

[Tim Weaver]

My Name wrote:
[...]
Did Luu fix that version of Xnews that top posted by default, or is
that the last newest version, if you know?
I don't know.
I *do* know that his intention was to make it easier for
people to inter-post (snipping as appropriate) without having to
first scroll up to the top of the quoted text.

You can do that (AYK) with what I've got mapped to the "skip
quoted text" key, backslash. Also there is the pushbutton for
mousers. If I under standand what you mean by scrolling to....
To mean skipping to the first non-quoted text.

No, I'm refering to the editor.

In those versions prior to the "broken" one, Xnews placed the cursor at
the bottom which caused you to have to scroll up to snip and inter-post
responses. In the latest beta version, Xnews places the cursor at the
top in the editor. While this does make it easier to snip and
inter-post, it also makes it too convenient to not bother snipping at
all and to simply top post.

It's a lose-lose situation. I understand Luu's reasoning in making the
change. I just don't think that he weighed which was the lesser of the
two evils.

Agreed. That's why I'm using v06.02.16. I believe that's the last "cursor
at bottom" version.
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We can lick gravity, but sometimes the paperwork is overwhelming.

Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft... and the only one
that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
-Wernher von Braun (1912 - 1977)

 

[Roger Johansson]

Can you name a few that also do this? I had Xnews for a whole year
before discovering this feature and was snipping by hand. }:O)

I know that Agent (Free Agent) and Dialog supports it.
I think Outlook Express does it also, but it was some time since I used it
so I am not sure.

Practically all email clients I have used also support this.
I think Foxmail is an exception to the rule.

 

[Roger Johansson]

I know that Agent (Free Agent) and Dialog support it.
I think Outlook Express does it also, but it was some time since I used it
so I am not sure.

I tried Outlook Express now and found that it does _not_ support this
function.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

["dszady"; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:15:04 GMT]

40tude Dialog v 2.0.10.1 (Beta 33)
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004INTERNET.htm#A106

Just DL'd it, and boy am I impressed. But will it sway me from Xnews ...?
XanaNews didn't. (It needs more time to mature.)

The only Xnews users who aren't impressed with Dialog are those who
haven't tried it and/or who haven't bothered to learn just how
powerful Dialog is.

XanaNews is a nice program but not even remotely as powerful as
Dialog.

If you want help with Dialog then go to news.software.readers and look
for the "Dialog" headers. Simple to filter on in Dialog.

Regards, John.

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[My Name]

My Name wrote:

[...]

Did Luu fix that version of Xnews that top posted by
default, or is that the last newest version, if you
know?

I don't know.

In those versions prior to the "broken" one, Xnews placed
the cursor at the bottom which caused you to have to
scroll up to snip and inter-post responses. In the latest
beta version, Xnews places the cursor at the top in the
editor. While this does make it easier to snip and
inter-post, it also makes it too convenient to not bother
snipping at all and to simply top post.

It's a lose-lose situation. I understand Luu's reasoning
in making the change. I just don't think that he weighed
which was the lesser of the two evils.

Agreed. That's why I'm using v06.02.16. I believe that's
the last "cursor at bottom" version.

I've got 6-07-17 2nd to latest.
Don't know offhand if it top/bottom posts. No time to find out
right away. Could pass it along if someone wants it.

 

[My Name]

No, I'm refering to the editor.

In those versions prior to the "broken" one, Xnews placed
the cursor at the bottom which caused you to have to scroll
up to snip and inter-post responses. In the latest beta
version, Xnews places the cursor at the top in the editor.
While this does make it easier to snip and inter-post, it
also makes it too convenient to not bother snipping at all
and to simply top post.

It's a lose-lose situation. I understand Luu's reasoning
in making the change. I just don't think that he weighed
which was the lesser of the two evils.

Hey, thanks for the coherent explanation, DC.

 

[My Name]

My Name wrote:

Thanks.

YW

 

[Tim Weaver]

My Name wrote:
My Name wrote:

[...]

Did Luu fix that version of Xnews that top posted by
default, or is that the last newest version, if you know?

I don't know.
In those versions prior to the "broken" one, Xnews placed
the cursor at the bottom which caused you to have to
scroll up to snip and inter-post responses. In the latest
beta version, Xnews places the cursor at the top in the
editor. While this does make it easier to snip and
inter-post, it also makes it too convenient to not bother
snipping at all and to simply top post.

It's a lose-lose situation. I understand Luu's reasoning
in making the change. I just don't think that he weighed which was
the lesser of the two evils.

Agreed. That's why I'm using v06.02.16. I believe that's the last
"cursor at bottom" version.

I've got 6-07-17 2nd to latest.
Don't know offhand if it top/bottom posts. No time to find out
right away. Could pass it along if someone wants it.

Get them all here:
http://www.absey-vine.co.uk/Xnews/
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Tim Weaver : ~~~=== Remove "_OMIT_" for e-mail. ===~~~

We can lick gravity, but sometimes the paperwork is overwhelming.

Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft... and the only one
that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
-Wernher von Braun (1912 - 1977)

 

[John Fitzsimons]

To automatically save your articles in the folder "myArticles", you have
only to put this rule in score and actions:

!copy(myArticles) From "yourEmail"

Then from that folder you can save as .txt files, if you want.

Very nice. Thanks Maria.


Regards, John.