Linux is ok, since its free, but how about a OS that saves you money?

T

The Ghost In The Machine

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Al Klein
<[email protected]>
wrote
So you can click on 1,000 files faster than someone could type "mv
/somewhere/*.jpg /somewhere-else"? Do you often melt your mouse?

A more likely scenario:

[1] Bring up exploration window.
[2] Click on "File type" header.
[3] Click on first file.
[4] Scroll down then *shift*-click on second file, selecting a range.
[5] Drag to destination.

(Assuming 1/4 second a click, clicking on 1,000 files would take
more than 4 minutes.)

This is not to say that this works in every case;

mv /somewhere/*a*b*c.jpg /somewhere-else

would be hard to select in an Explorer, Konqueror, or Nautilus-style
window.
 
J

JEDIDIAH

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Al Klein
<[email protected]>
wrote


A more likely scenario:

...although something along the lines of a web browser style
url entry widget with the option of doing glob patterns coupled with
a "select all" menu would at least give the GUI variant a chance of
not being completely burdensome.
[1] Bring up exploration window.
[2] Click on "File type" header.
[3] Click on first file.
[4] Scroll down then *shift*-click on second file, selecting a range.
[5] Drag to destination.

(Assuming 1/4 second a click, clicking on 1,000 files would take
more than 4 minutes.)

Even a lasso of 1000 files in a finder window would be a bit
dodgey/slow.

[deletia]
 
T

Terry Russell

Susan Bugher said:
Can't - this is a text only ng. I uploaded one of the Win98 WordPad files
here temporarily:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/PL2004-CDcover.doc

yup, not in wordpad , xp pro sp2 with all updates ( as of yesterday , so it
doesn't count :)
opens in word

some word docs are also incompatible, there are also some incompatibilites
with
most 'office' type tools
not that I have any proof available,
an evidence trail is usually the last thing on your mind when someone
has a lecture to do in 10 minutes and their presentation won't
work on the local slurryware.

Software, the hardest part .
User, derogatory term for owner/customer.

I just had people ship a pc 1000km because of a simple problem,
it will be shipped back. They can fix cars, save the lives of stranded
tourists,
and do all manner of the usual productive and valued pillar-of-the-community
builder-of-nations things.

If an easy to fix problem in a PC is a mystery is it their fault or have the
entire
slurryware industry failed to create a simple enough system?
Instead of chattering about how good the grommitflange could have been
someone please just fix the problem. ( I can't I am not a genius, hopefully
someone is :)
 
W

Why Tea

Why are there so many bickerings and insults between Linux and Windows
users? Just ask yourselves this question: how much do you know about
_BOTH_ OS'es before you judge them? I guess it's often the case that
one knows one OS well, but little about the other (or the rest); and
thus harsh comments are made about the other OS out of ignorance.

/Why Tea
 
D

Daniel Mandic

Why Tea wrote:


-

Hello Tea!



My rememberance (not every Linux User) consists of permanent bad-making
of MS.
It is fact that any company which used such marketing strategies have
no good future-music anymore.

It is also fact that MS done some (I don´t know what :))), but what
shalls) things. I always go away from that "known" troubles with MS. As
NT is, you can challenge it from both sides, and when the machine is
not obeying then I use my whip :)) - no, just a joke.

Third fact is, Linux is widely found on Intel-Compatible IBM-PC based
IBM-PC-Compatibles, and IBM-PC´s as well, of course. This area is
broadened by Intel, IBM, Microsoft and more.... and not only by, AMD,
Linux, and diverse Linux-distributioniers.....





Kind Regards,

Daniel Mandic


P.S.: Bill Gates is O.K. (I am not satisfied with all Microsoft :-|)
 
G

Guest

Why said:
Why are there so many bickerings and insults between Linux and Windows
users? Just ask yourselves this question: how much do you know about
_BOTH_ OS'es before you judge them? I guess it's often the case that
one knows one OS well, but little about the other (or the rest); and
thus harsh comments are made about the other OS out of ignorance.

/Why Tea

You forget one important thing: While most (probably around 99% of all linux
users) have worked with windows (or still do, also) the reverse is not at
all true. Most Widiots in cola have not the slightest clue about linux.
 
W

Why Tea

You forget one important thing: While most (probably around 99% of all linux
users) have worked with windows (or still do, also) the reverse is not at

That still falls within the umbrella of "single-OS users".

One more thing: many big coorperates use Solaris/Linux as their backend
servers and Windows as their frontend desktops. This includes
developing Solaris/Linux software applications on Windows destops by
telnet-ing/ssh-ing(on X-window client) to the servers. This shows that
Windows and Unix do live happily together, albeit in different domains.
 
T

The Ghost In The Machine

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Why Tea
<[email protected]>
wrote
Why are there so many bickerings and insults between Linux and Windows
users? Just ask yourselves this question: how much do you know about
_BOTH_ OS'es before you judge them? I guess it's often the case that
one knows one OS well, but little about the other (or the rest); and
thus harsh comments are made about the other OS out of ignorance.

/Why Tea

Well, part of the issue, at least here on COLA, is that we
have a fair number of ignorant Wintroolies who like to
make provably false statements about Linux, and have been
for some time.

Of course, insults are a bit like candies: fun to suck on but
of little value from a nutritional (informational) standpoint.
I would hope for meatier fare.

As for how much I know? I know quite a bit about Unix (having
used it since 1980 off and on), and enough about Windows to
know some of its uglier internal sides (so can anyone who wants
to delve into WindowsX.h, admittedly) though not quite enough
to be definitive about everything (e.g., I know little
about the mechanics of COM or ADO, and have not seen much
C#/.NET).

And I know some of the quirks of Linux, though it's so similar
to Unix at the application level, apart from ALSA which is
purely Linux (AFAIK), and work around them.

I'm also aware of some of the issues regarding such things as
benchmarks, use cases, and performance. Briefly put, I
can state as opinion that this box (at work) runs fairly
well under Linux (and I can log in extremely quickly), whereas
rebooting and then using WinXP is a bit of a chore. Of
course part of that is simply because I leave it running Linux
most of the time, leaving the pages faulted in.

This is not, of course, a formal benchmark. Some of
the more interesting (but probably biased) benchmarks,
in particular, suggest that Windows IIS, once it gets
going and has enough memory, can outperform a Linux Apache
server on similar hardware, as Apache starts to bog down.
(Some of the more dishonest benchmarks also suggest Windows
is cheaper by comparing an x86 server farm with a zx90.
The problem there, of course, is that that's not exactly
equivalent value; a base-level zx90 will blow away, at
a pure bandwidth level, an equivalent 44 1-U unit farm.
However, it kinda depends on what one is doing, methinks,
and this isn't a formal benchmark either, but merely
reading some specs and calculating.)

True? I have no idea.

In any event, Windows is easily disparagable because it:
- requires people to include VGA, keyboard, and mouse
connectors to servers. (The cost here might be
measured in terms of megaflops per cubic centimeter.)
- has a cute little search doggie that is next to useless
(though the search facility works for the most part).
- has spawned an entire line of clothing ware based
on a certain error screen, suggesting that this particular
error screen has been seen often enough to make this
profitable.
- has annoying quirks such as requiring a reboot to change IP
addresses (this, thankfully, was fixed about Win2k timeframe
but the pain lingers).
- is associated with a company that's made some
questionable statements and decisions in the past,
such as the AARD code, the Netscape debacle, and the
"Unix-Killer NT" which in retrospect was about as
effective as flinging a wet strand of spaghetti at a
biker in a biker bar, hoping the flingee will go down
before the flinger gets pummelled into a wet spot on the
floor. (Linux is a more effective Unix-killer than NT
ever was; it probably wasn't Linux's or Linus' intent.)
- is infested with viruses on many machines, which then go
out and attempt infestation of other machines.
 
A

Al Klein

Yes, but those versions were plagued with problems and XP isn't. That's
the difference I was talking about.

XP has no problems? What planet are you living on?

Do you think Microsoft issues updates on an almost weekly basis
because they have nothing better to do?
 
A

Al Klein

Al Klein wrote:
Remove "anything" and replace with "useless things" and you are spot
on.

Only if you define "useless things" as "things I don't want to learn",
which makes the name self-referential. There's nothing useless about
knowing how to use pipes, tees and redirects. There is, however,
something pretty useless in thinking that a GUI is all you need to get
full utility out of a computer.

I know, I know, you can do anything *you* need to do from a GUI. I'll
bet you open your Porsche up to a whopping 35 MPH too.
 
A

Al Klein

Al Klein wrote:
1. Ctrl-A is my friend. Drag what's highlighted. Drop it where needed.

I can copy selectively - ctrl-A can't. Taking a few more seconds (you
saw Ghost do something similar) I can copy a whole bunch of files that
aren't named anything alike - you'd have to click on each one
individually.

But you have no need to do anything like that, so a GUI is all you
need.
 
A

Al Klein

Let's see the equivalent in Windows:
1. Insert CD
2. Click OK
3. Have a beer.

And if it's a Mac program? Oops.

If it's open source, in linux you just compile it. Maybe set a few
flags first.

Don't want to learn how to drive? Then stop telling drivers how hard
it is to learn.
 
A

Al Klein

The above is a fine example of the failure of our educational system.
Never mind what he's trying to say, just look at the train wreck style
of writing. Sheesh.

Coming from someone who refuses to learn, that's sad. Not that I
disagree with the message, just with the choice of messenger.
 
A

Al Klein

So Apple provides substantial resources and tools for programming;
there are supposed to be some very comprehensive pieces available,
making the basic work quite simple.

Making it all simple.

Want to interface the serial device? Copy the code out of the book,
and Apple guarantees that they won't break your program, OS after OS.
(I wonder if Red Ryder still works on the current Mac OS.) Spend a
week finding out where the @#%^ serial ActiveX control is and how to
use it, and Gates breaks your program with the next update.
 
E

El Gee

"kenny" <-> wrote in
Why then are so many buying office and love it, when OO is out there
for free?

<SNIP>

Because they have been trained/brainwashed very well. Most people DON'T
KNOW about Open Office.

I am on a personal mission to get as many people as I can away from
illegal copies of MS Office and on legal copies of OO.o. MS has a grip
on ... what 95% of the office software market? It has new versions all
the time, bloated beyond belief.

Now if a person wants to use MS Office, then more power to them. DO NOT
tell me what I should use.


--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
El Gee // www.mistergeek.com <><
Know Christ, Know Peace - No Christ, No Peace
Remove .yourhat to reply
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
A

Al Klein

A more likely scenario:
[1] Bring up exploration window.
[2] Click on "File type" header.
[3] Click on first file.
[4] Scroll down then *shift*-click on second file, selecting a range.
[5] Drag to destination.
(Assuming 1/4 second a click, clicking on 1,000 files would take
more than 4 minutes.)

Or ctrl-click on a dozen files, one at a time, and ... oops ... now
you have a dozen copies.

I can't unclick a mouse, but I can "untype" a key if I make a typo.
 
D

docmill

"kenny" <-> wrote in


<SNIP>

Because they have been trained/brainwashed very well. Most people DON'T
KNOW about Open Office.

I am on a personal mission to get as many people as I can away from
illegal copies of MS Office and on legal copies of OO.o. MS has a grip
on ... what 95% of the office software market? It has new versions all
the time, bloated beyond belief.

Now if a person wants to use MS Office, then more power to them. DO NOT
tell me what I should use.

It's not just those bastards, try update an IBM laptop built in 2001.
The third party will give you everything but a new color to the case. I
don't mind having the yes or no to install, but if you do, I do get
pissed at having them leaving a calling card home.
 
A

Al Klein

That still falls within the umbrella of "single-OS users".

The discussion is about Wndows vs. linux. People who use Windows all
the time, but prefer linux, are far from "single-OS users" - we use
BOTH of the OSs that the discussion is about.

The majority of Windows users, OTOH, haven't yet seen a clue about
linux.
 

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments. After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.

Ask a Question

Top