Linux is ok, since its free, but how about a OS that saves you money?

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kenny

***Disclamer*** I am not bashing linux, I am not a troll. I am just writting
an answer to the linux users who make fun of windows users, and some food
for thought for everyone.

A linux advocate downloads linux, installs it on a $500 - $800 powerful
computer, and is happy that you he has a free OS.
Furthermore he goes about making fun of everyone else with windows
computers, calling them stupid.

How blind can a person be?

If you look further into the mechanisms that made this possible
you will see that windows was the OS responsible for this.

Windows was the OS that let people of all kinds to start using computers in
an everyday basis. Windows was the OS that changed computers from a thing
only
super geeks that had gone to 5 years to learn how to program, to a thing any
person could do, even a child. Childsplay!
Windows was the OS that changed the whole market for software and hardware,
created new opportunities, new hardware innovations, new technologies, and
the expansion of the internet to what we have now.

Thousands went to study computer programming because of windows.
Thousands of jobs where created to fuel the windows and computer revolution.
Thousands of computers were installed in businesses, homes, schools and
everyone
started using them.

Windows created all this foundation that we have today.

Linux now stepped on that foundation of cheap computers, the expanded
internet, and computer literate community
and used that to try to develop a user friendly version of its OS. THIS HAS
NOT BEEN ACCOMPLISHED even to this day.
As any logical person would observe, it is stealing resources from the
windows platform. Not to say that most of its programs
are developed like clones or rip-offs of windows applications.

If you take everything I said into account, if people had not used windows,
the computers would be more expensive, the internet would be smaller,
less people would be using computers, less people would be designing
hardware, less people would be being educated to be programmers,
less software would exist. Practically we would be 10 years behind... and 10
years in computer time is like hundreds of years normal time.

So if windows made everything cheaper and more accessible, isn't it more
cost efficient for it to exist, than linux? I say that it has a negative
cost...
meaning that it brings more money in that it takes out and created new
possibilities that would never exist without it.
In other words if we wanted to have what we have now, with technology that
was 10 years older, the cost would be unbearable, even if it was possible.

Having said all that, I know of course that windows was created on top of a
unix prehistory... MS found programmers and ideas from unix.
But you cannot disregard the influence windows had on the advancement of
technologies we have today.

I personally would slap a linux geek on the face if he giggled at me saying
that I was stupid because I used windows.
I would call that disrespect to what enabled him to be in that position.


Kenny.
 
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::Your Name Here::

kenny said:
Windows was the OS that let people of all kinds to start using computers in
an everyday basis.

That's reason enough to hate Windows righ there!
 
R

Roger Johansson

kenny said:
Windows was the OS that let people of all kinds to start using computers in
an everyday basis. Windows was the OS that changed computers from a thing

I used Desqview before I started usin Win95, and there were earlier
systems with a user friendly graphical user interface.

The truth is that both Windows and Linux are results of a long
development of software. Microsoft has controlled just a part of that
development.

The increasing popularity of Linux systems means that the dominance of
a single corporation like Microsoft has come to an end.

The transition to completely free software takes some time, though.
 
K

Kram

I wouldn't slap him in the face, but I'm with you on linux not being as
good as windows or Mac. I've tried many distros, all annoyingly need to be
tweaked with a command line. None seem faster or as flexible or can do as
much as windows.

I'm glad Linux is here and making Microsoft sweat. I do hope they come out
with a superior product and that it is free. But for me they don't have a
superior product yet so I'll stay with windows thank you.

Mark
 
B

Bill Turner

kenny said:
I am just writting an answer to the linux users who make fun of
windows users, and some food for thought for everyone.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well said Kenny. Thanks.

Mr Bill
 
S

Steven Burn

wald said:
If so, please stop trolling. Keep your subjective opinion for
yourself.

I have to ask ... is it "subjective" because he doesn't happen to be a Linux
fanatic and hate Windows, or is there something I'm missing?.

Call me old fashioned but, I thought an individual' opinion on something was
a good thing .... irrespective of whether that opinion conformed to everyone
else's or not :blush:\

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!
 
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Mike Andrade

I have to ask ... is it "subjective" because he doesn't happen to
be a Linux fanatic and hate Windows, or is there something I'm
missing?.

No, it's "subjective" because he's a human being, albeit a stupid
one. There is no such thing as an "objective" opinion. That's a
fact that just about every usenet poster either forgets or was never
aware of. Objectivity is achievable only in degrees, and even at the
highest degree of objectivity an opinion is still more subjective
than objective.

--
Mike

Truth is there for finding, but the logic that's involved
is a mystery unwinding, not a problem to be solved.
- David Wilcox, "Out Of The Question"
 
B

Bill Turner

wald said:
If so, please stop trolling. Keep your subjective opinion for
yourself.

Regards,
Wald
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I see we have some new doublespeak terms here:

"Trolling" now means expressing one's opinion clearly.

"Subjective" now means your opinion is different from mine.

"Objective", now means your opinion is the same as mine.

These new definitions should prove useful, especially to the *nix crowd.

Mr Bill
 
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Rick Merrill

Mike said:
No, it's "subjective" because he's a human being, albeit a stupid
one. There is no such thing as an "objective" opinion. That's a
fact that just about every usenet poster either forgets or was never
aware of. Objectivity is achievable only in degrees, and even at the
highest degree of objectivity an opinion is still more subjective
than objective.

Hot dog, the oxymoron of the day: "objective opinion"!
 
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kenny said:
***Disclamer*** I am not bashing linux, I am not a troll.

The rest of your post belies that.
I am just writting an answer to the linux users who make fun of
windows users, and some food for thought for everyone.

But there aren't any of those here. Just you, starting thread after
thread after thread about your obsession with these imaginary Linux
users.
A linux advocate downloads linux, installs it on a $500 - $800
powerful computer, and is happy that you he has a free OS.

Except for the very strange sentence structure, that's pretty much
right.
Furthermore he goes about making fun of everyone else with windows
computers, calling them stupid.

No he doesn't. He may call /you/ stupid occasionally, but that has
nothing to do with all Windows users or even with the fact that you are
a Windows user.

Your ridiculous "analysis" of computing history does more harm than
good for your anti-Linux crusade, so I'll let it stand without comment.
 
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Mark Carter

kenny said:
Windows was the OS that changed the whole market for software and hardware,
created new opportunities, new hardware innovations, new technologies, and
the expansion of the internet to what we have now.

I believe Worf summed it up best when he said "If you were a man, I'd
kill you where you stand".

Windows did not create opportunities for hardware - that existed due to
the open nature of the PC. Thank IBM, not Microsoft. The software idea
doesn't work either - there were spreadsheets, etc. before Microsoft
came along. And GUIs, Apple had them before Microsoft, and the Amiga's
GUI capabilities were miles better initially. Plus the GUI was invented
elsewhere. Many internet protocols were invented by a bunch of UNIXy
guys well before Microsft (and thank Christ they did, because they're
miles better than anything MS would have concocted). And so on, and so
forth.

There is simply no evidence to support your hypothesis that Microsoft
created new opportunties, new this, new that, or new the other.
 
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Gregg

I wouldn't slap him in the face, but I'm with you on linux not being as
good as windows or Mac. I've tried many distros, all annoyingly need to be
tweaked with a command line. None seem faster or as flexible or can do as
much as windows.

I'm glad Linux is here and making Microsoft sweat. I do hope they come out
with a superior product and that it is free. But for me they don't have a
superior product yet so I'll stay with windows thank you.

Mark

Have you tried Ubuntu? Installed it last weekend, my first distro other
than Linspire/Lindows which is a cash cow even worse that Windows in the
long run. While it took some tweaking, no more than I have had to do with
XP Home to get it the way I wanted it to function. I think that it is
much quicker and the desktop is more functional. Yes, there are
disadvantages, but to each their own. Its made me a convert (at least for
now). Probably the only things I will miss from windows programs are MS
Money and Google Earth.

Gregg
 
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Donald

As a quadriplegic pc user I like windows due to the fact it is easier for me
to point an click than all the typing Linux takes to do the same thing
 
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Donald said:
As a quadriplegic pc user I like windows due to the fact it is easier for
me to point an click than all the typing Linux takes to do the same thing


Absolute Astrotufing Nonsense!
Mepis, Knoppix etc has all the needed features
and a lot more than windopes has ever accomplished.

Open Konqueror for example, you can have tabbed views, and split views.
You can connect to dozens of machines with a dozen or so protocols
meaning you can ftp, ssh, samba, browse folders,
browse remote folders, have open pdfs,
have open web pages, manual pages, lan browser, printer browser,
audio player, system resources, etc...

Or notepad equivalent like Kwrite comes with text highlighting
in some 20 different programming languages and international fonts
able to open huge files.

There is also oralux livecd that speaks out of the box.
So not only is it free but it saves you money too.

I'm running 15 machines at home on livecds.
Thats saving me huge amounts of money.
I could never invest that sort of money in windope licenses.
But Linux is free, and I'm able to try out
hundreds of livecds and other distros free
http://www.livecdlist.com
I use all those PCs to train myself on making my own
livecds, setting up servers, streaming systems, programming
environment, home entertainment, games machine, security systems,
etc... All the time, I'm learning because I have 100%
access to source code and documentation, and saving loads of money
in getting things working quicker.
The whole ecosystem around GNU/Linux is getting better by the
minute. I bought a 16 page a minute Samsung ML-1610 Linux supported printer
for under $80, and toner for $10.
This printer is available instantly across my network to all PCs
as soon as its switched on. Not like windopes where I would have had to go
around installing drivers on EACH machine for EACH printer.

Of the 20 odd regular applications that I must use in a working day, I am
now only dependent on 1 for windopes. All the others have been replaced
with superior GNU/Linux alternatives. You do have to google
to get all your replacements, but its well worth the effort
as it saves money and you end up with technologically
superior alternatives in most cases that you may not appreciate
already exist and which has hundreds of thousands if not millions
of existing users.
 
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Gordon

Donald said:
As a quadriplegic pc user I like windows due to the fact it is easier
for me to point an click than all the typing Linux takes to do the
same thing

And when did YOU last use Linux? they are ALL "point and click" now-a-days.
 

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