Linux is ok, since its free, but how about a OS that saves you money?

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Daniel Mandic

Bill said:
Mr Bill,
who top or bottom posts depending on moon phase, among other things



Yes.

More people do down-posting. But I refer to the 'normal' standard
Usenet-etiquette. There reads: "You should" reply without qoutes at
all. You must not.

That means to me it´s down- and top-posting at the same time :) (as
any new Post :))))
Though, I try to shorten the >-qoutings as much as possible.

Or qouting line-wise (mixture of qoute and reply), but that is very
difficult to comprehend and looooong (boring) to read. IMO.







Kind Regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
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The Ghost In The Machine

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bill Turner
<[email protected]>
wrote
The said:
[3] If one doesn't have file extensions, with Windows one is kinda
stuck. However, in Linux, one can do things like

$ find . -type f -mtime +7 | xargs file | \
grep '^.*: PNG image data, ' | \
awk -F: '{print $1;}' | cpio -oc > archive.cpio

which will take any file older than 7 days, open it, check
to see if it looks like a PNG file, and, if it is, take
it and throw it into a CPIO archive.

The naive user will probably think this is gobbledygook but it's
actually fairly simple, and can be tested easily by
omitting the tail end of the pipeline. Admittedly, tarballs
are more common, and tar's a little harder to feed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you think that is "actually fairly simple", I give up. We come from
different planets.

Mr Bill

You do have a point. Of course, it's fairly simple *to me*.
But, here's a few thoughts *for you*.

[1] The command, of course, is a pipeline. With a pipeline,
the output of one subcommand is fed to another, making
for rather handy if crude debugging. For example, the
above pipeline can be deconstructed and debugged using
something like the following.

$ find . -type f -mtime +7

to ensure the initial filelist is right. If one
sees strange messages such as "file not found",
one can interject the -print0 option after some
manpage searching. (The corresponding xargs option is
'xargs -0'.)

Command history can then be used, to reenter the
command after editing it a bit:

$ find . -type f -mtime +7 | xargs file

Now one sees the output of the second stage of the pipeline.
It's not quite right, of course, which is where the
grep comes in:

$ find . -type f -mtime +7 | xargs file | \
grep '^.*: PNG image data, '

and then I don't need all of the goo following the colon,
so there are various ways; one can use awk or sed here.


$ find . -type f -mtime +7 | xargs file | \
grep '^.*: PNG image data, ' | \
awk -F: '{print $1;}'

and now one has a list of files again -- and this list,
furthermore, is blessed by the file command and in more or
less the proper format.

(There are still issues with spaces therein, admittedly.)

[2] The 'tee' command is occasionally useful if one wants to
get at the intermediates of a pipeline. This command
is generally used e.g.

$ find . -type f -mtime +7 | xargs file | tee rawfilelist \
grep '^.*: PNG image data, ' | \
awk -F: '{print $1;}'

and tee simply spits out what it sees on standard input
into the file, as well as onto standard output.

[3] Shell plumbing can get interesting, especially with
f, m>&n, >>f, and m>>&n, where m and n are number (usually,
one merges errout and stdout: prog 2>&1 | otherprog).

At some point I'm hoping that Nautilus or Konqueror will allow
for the specification of criteria such as what one would find on the
'find' command, and present a list of the results, ready for
selection. Dragging and dropping the list would then do what
is necessary.

However, that's still more cumbersome than a simple pipeline.
 
Z

Zitty

dszady said:
Trying to fix this damn top-posting again.

One glaring omission kenny.
When a Linux program crashes, you click on OK, start the program again.
Notice I said "start the program again".
When a Windows program crashes it starts a cascading effect that makes
everything else go haywire. Then what?

I've never had applicaion do that in Windows in the last 4 or 5 years, in
fact the last time I remember that happening was Win95 era. Driver issues
can cause that its true; but then driver issues can bring Linux to its knees
just as easily.
 
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tab

Holy Smokes. Good answer 7.
Shows what a dumb **** you really are.
You never tried the handicap stuff.

Tweaking and googling is not something
this user wants to to.

Don't foget the the installs that require a terminal.

This type of person wants to click on a button.

Get off the weed, you self absorbed pig.
 
T

tab

Peter Kohlmann's vocab to date:

Idiot and cretinous.

Good job Peter. You are learning more words.
 
M

Mitch

Bill Turner said:
"I" choose Microsoft to control my computer. They do not get in without
my permission. Same with Linux. If Linux is there, it's because "I"
chose it.

I'm afraid I agree with the other side of that, Bill.

Microsoft determines how your OS looks, how it behaves, what it comes
with, how you work with files and applications. Everything that is the
UI is determined by Microsoft.

I don't think anyone is talking about networked access or minor
customization; it's a much earlier and deeper decision-making process.
 
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Dan Evans

Linønut said:
After takin' a swig o' grog, Dan Evans belched out this bit o' wisdom:


You can have a bunch going in XP. Even if all you are using is WiMP.

I'm on XP pro here with 1.5 gig RAM and an AMD64 3200+ and found it better
to not use WMP - how do you get more than one instance of WMP anyway? Not
that I've looked too hard, but I haven't been able to do it in recent
versions.

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Dan Evans

Let's not talk about "time", it's a rapidly disappearing resource around
here :->

Mines already gone. I haven't got home before 10 at night since mid
november, apart from the 2 days the kids were ill and the missus couldn't
take time off as they were about 3 days away from presenting the annual
budget to Honda Europe.

Those 2 days were admin days so technically still working.

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Dan Evans

I must try this Ubuntu distro. Currently, I have Debian installed on a
web server and it is relatively easy for me to use, but frightens the
living daylights out of anyone with less experience.

That's the way you want it. A problem I found with NT4 was it looked just
like 95, so people thought "Ooh, I know that", and promptly screwed things
up because in reality they didn't.

If people are scared, they generally won't touch, so there is a good chance
that it will still be working next week.

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Dan Evans

kenny said:
Here are some posts I did for the VISTA beta on the vista beta
newsgroups...
you cas clearly see that I am not a microsoft drone... nor a troll that
wants to
bash linux just for fun

Yeah, but you gave the impression of being a dick - and first impressions
count, dick.

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Terry Russell

I'm on XP pro here with 1.5 gig RAM and an AMD64 3200+ and found it better
to not use WMP - how do you get more than one instance of WMP anyway? Not
that I've looked too hard, but I haven't been able to do it in recent
versions.
afaik you can't , by design, someone somewhere decided it is a bad thing for
you to do
for some reason
now if only...but thats another story :)

you can however put
Program Files\Windows Media Player\mplayer2.exe
into user (or all users ) 'send to' and play multiples that way

except it is a hidden directory, by default, someone somewhere decided it is
a bad thing for you to
look at for some reason
now if only...but thats another story :)

so many gripes, so little time
 
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Dan Evans

Terry Russell said:
afaik you can't , by design, someone somewhere decided it is a bad thing
for you to do
for some reason

Probably becuase it's going to use up your resources faster than an Texan
POTUS

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Mitch

Dan Evans said:
If people are scared, they generally won't touch, so there is a good chance
that it will still be working next week.

Right -- and there are thre basic ways to avoid the problem:

don't let the systems run as root unless an expert changes it,
run the system as locked (in ROM or from read-only devices),
or
make the system self-check and help the user so well and so easily that
users learn what they are doing as they do it, or avoid doing the wrong
things.

Obviously, the last one is very hard to approach, and nothing has ever
come close.
 
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Al Klein

Speaking only for myself, Windows has been less expensive than Linux. I
have a closet full of Linux CDs that don't work that I paid good money
for.

Then you're the problem. Linux is legally available for free, Windows
isn't. If someone's giving something away for free, and you shoose to
pay someone else for it, that's your problem, not a problem with what
you bought.

As far as their not working, did you buy a car without learning how to
drive, then complain that it doesn't get you anywhere?
 
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Al Klein

Firstly, I do have Ubuntu. Secondly I was responding to someone who
praised the command line over the GUI for moving files.

So you can click on 1,000 files faster than someone could type "mv
/somewhere/*.jpg /somewhere-else"? Do you often melt your mouse?

Even with the arthritis in my hands I can type that a lot faster than
you could find a folder, open it and click on a few files.
 
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Al Klein

The said:
[3] If one doesn't have file extensions, with Windows one is kinda
stuck. However, in Linux, one can do things like

$ find . -type f -mtime +7 | xargs file | \
grep '^.*: PNG image data, ' | \
awk -F: '{print $1;}' | cpio -oc > archive.cpio

which will take any file older than 7 days, open it, check
to see if it looks like a PNG file, and, if it is, take
it and throw it into a CPIO archive.

The naive user will probably think this is gobbledygook but it's
actually fairly simple, and can be tested easily by
omitting the tail end of the pipeline. Admittedly, tarballs
are more common, and tar's a little harder to feed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you think that is "actually fairly simple", I give up. We come from
different planets.

Yours seems to be named "I refuse to learn anything I don't already
know".
 
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Al Klein

The "don't get it" part referred NOT to you, but to your understanding
of nearly all computer users. OF COURSE you guys think it's simple to
do command line stuff that would look right at home on a Sanskrit
tablet.

Of course you would think that a simple command looks like Sanskrit.
 
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Al Klein

I'm sure that will be his strategy, but it's a different situation now.
Win98 was pretty sucky

When it first came out it was a HUGE improvement over 95. 2k was a
HUGE improvement over 98. No difference in the situation - if they
come out with a huge improvement over XP, most people will migrate.
Nowadays, people are pretty happy with XP.

People were pretty happy with 95 when it finally came out.
Bill G will have to do some
pretty slick marketing to get people to move. I'm not interested at all.

You will be when all the apps you want to run won't run on XP.
 
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Al Klein

And even better, where Mac OS versions usually don't break legacy
software or require hardware upgrades?

Ever read the Mac bible? It makes programming for the Mac a bear, but
it sure makes upward (and downward) compatibility easy for the OS
designers.
 
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Al Klein

Last 9x machine I came across was a manky old laptop in October/November

I still use my 486DX50 laptop with 5 megs of ram. Of course it's only
running DOS and Win 3.11, but it does what I need it to do very well.
 

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