Endless lists of software. in a.c.f

[John Fitzsimons]

I download all messages, with bodies. And close the dialup connection.

< snip >

And downloading dozens of small text posts by Tramp takes you all
of....? A minute ?

You have now wasted so much time/bandwidth that it is certainly in
excess of the time/bandwidth you would have used getting Tramp's
posts.

Guess some people are happy to spend a dollar complaining about the
loss of 10c eh ?


Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

(e-mail address removed) (BillR) wrote in
<news:[email protected]>:

Also makes it easier to pick out the OPs worth reading. I don't read
the ones that don't look interesting to me, nor do I read the
comprehensive post. If you were somehow to convince him to stop making
the individual posts, I'd have to DL the big one then scroll through it
to get past the sections of apps that don't interest me and apps I've
already seen. That would be more downloading and more time wasted for
me, not less.

< snip >

Nicely summarised.

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.INVALID> wrote:

Compare that to him publishing 50 messages each containing 10 lines,
with one link in each message. Plus one big message with 350 lines
with the same links.

Don't you understand that this would take a lot more space

Let's see. What's 50 x 10 equal ? Ummm......500 ? Now let's compare
that to one post of 350 lines. 500-350 ? So a HUGE 150 lines is saved
by doing the large post in preference to the small ones ?

Are you purposely trying to look silly ? If so then you are succeeding
beyond your wildest dreams.

and time to
fetch than that single small message?

The difference in time downloading one large post as compared to
multiple small ones would still be only a matter of seconds. Even on
dialup.

< snip >

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I tried downloading and istalling that earlier, when I had cable
internet, but there was some problem with it, it refused to install,
if I recall correctly.

You lack of common sense and incompetence are becoming breathtaking.

Anyway, I cannot afford to download big programs, and I don't have to.
I already have a good offline newsreader.

Dialog isn't a big program. A 700MB ISO I downloaded yesterday might
be called "big" but Dialog ? ......No.


Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I guess you do not pay your phone bills per minute as we do in my
country.

No, but we often have the next worst thing. Limited time with our
ISPs. That means we have to use time wisely.

It gets expensive to do it that way.

Downloading news posts takes time. That's life. If you don't want that
then don't bother with newsgroups. Or better still don't bother with
the internet at all. That should save you plenty of money.

And your suggestion to download only headers first, mark the headers I
want to read, call back and download the bodies for those, no it is
even more expensive and tedious, not a realistic option.

There is a charge for each phone call, on top of the per minute
charge. Phone bills work like that in most of the world.

For years I phoned up and mostly connected a number of times a day.
Getting charged for each phone call. That didn't stop me subscribing
to dozens of newsgroups and getting all the posts I wanted.

< snip >

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Roger Johansson Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:59:55 +0200:

Grows considerably ? What a dopey statement. The increased posts
take up very little bandwidth. As they are "on topic" they take up no
more bandwidth than any other posters.

Life is a bitch, unsubscribe. 3.5 megs a week is not a lot. even on a
dialup.

< snip >

He isn't complaining about 3.5MB a week he is complaining about
Tramp's posts. I just saved 140 of his posts and they were 180KB.
Suppose Tramp averaged 210 posts a week. That would be 270KB.

All this fuss for <40KB a day ? 270KB a week ? Childish in the
extreme.

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

If people like Tramp would publish a link to their latest lists once a
day or so they could start trying out all those programs,

< snip >

So you want Tramp to not only find programs for you but to also test
them out ? What did your last slave die of ? Overwork ?

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Tramp,
If the above suggestion is to your liking and you do not have a web page,
I would be willing to put it up on my server only updating say once or
twice a week. I could set it up as "updated by date" and not in
alphabetical order - less work that way.
Lemme know,
POKO

Why do you want Tramp to go to all that extra work ?

Why do you want to deny access to his recommendations to those people
who read this group offline ?

Web pages get replaced, moved, deleted. Why don't you want those
of us who keep posts about good freeware links *in this newsgroup*
to be able to do that ?

Why do you want to make it harder for people to discuss individual
recommendations ? Many people read usenet because they don't
have the time/inclination/bandwidth to be getting everything via the
web.

Currently I can read EVERY one of Tramp's posts here without once
going on the web. I only need do that IF something looks interesting.
Why do you want to make things much harder ?

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Maybe it is easier to understand if I take two examples:

Yesterday I wrote a detailed description about the freeware language
RapidQ, which I happen to know a lot about and really want to
recommend, I gave links to usergroups and download sites, etc..

The other example could be if I dig up a thousand links to swedish
freeware programs which I know little about. Some may be in english,
other only in swedish, some may be real freeware, other may be
timelimited or crippled versions, some may be very valuable and some
may be useless.

Would you like me to post a thousand messages with links to these
programs in a.c.f, or ten very long messages with links to these
programs,

The former.

or would you prefer that I put these links on my web site

Useless for people reading this newsgroup offline.

and post a message about it where I give a link to the list on my web
site so those who are interested can look them up, download the ones
that sounds interesting, and try them out?

Far faster to read them here.

I would definitely prefer if people who have such lists publish just a
link to the list instead of a thousand messages, one for each link.

Yes, we have read enough of this idiotic thread by now to know what
you want. You don't care about all the extra work involved in coding
web pages and then uploading them.

Now a question for you. What is faster/easier ?

(A) Doing a single large post here ?

or

(B) Coding the above to a web page and uploading it. Then making a
post here to tell everyone where the page is.

(A) or (B) ?

Most people who have been on the internet for > 5 minutes would
probably know the answer is (A).

Then your argument becomes a single post versus many posts. As there
is minimal difference in bandwidth and as most prefer single posts
that is a no-brainer as well.


Regards, John.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

The embarrassing thing is, your post made me go back and look at mine,
and I realised that there were 2 errors in the spelling of
whakawhetainui (many thank). There was a great NZ comedian who created

But, then, we *all* knew that that was misspelled.

 

[DC]

Yeah, I've only been online since before AOL existed.

Maybe even before *I* existed. }XOþ

 

[DC]

Was taking the mick - your money is just as good here!

OK, I give up. Which official language are you speaking?

<confused look>

 

[Blinky the Shark]

Blinky the Shark wrote:

Maybe even before *I* existed. }XOþ

Hey!

 

[POKO]

I ain't no Yank, POKO. }:OP

Was taking the mick - your money is just as good here!
--
POKO SAID THAT ...........
reply to (e-mail address removed) don't use VIAGARA
Pat Keenan - Webmaster, Keenan Consulting
http://www.keenanconsulting.on.ca
silly portal: www.keenanconsulting.on.ca/portal.html

 

[POKO]

Why do you want Tramp to go to all that extra work ?

Why do you want to deny access to his recommendations to those people
who read this group offline ?

Web pages get replaced, moved, deleted. Why don't you want those
of us who keep posts about good freeware links *in this newsgroup*
to be able to do that ?

Why do you want to make it harder for people to discuss individual
recommendations ? Many people read usenet because they don't
have the time/inclination/bandwidth to be getting everything via the
web.

Currently I can read EVERY one of Tramp's posts here without once
going on the web. I only need do that IF something looks interesting.
Why do you want to make things much harder ?

Regards, John.

The offer was made if Tramp was interested. A web page can be a lot of
work, no question about it. I don't need the extra effort to do it, but
if it helped out the ng then I have no problem getting e-mails from Tramp
and slipping them into a cut/n/paste template and uploading them to the
net. Think of it as an extension of the Pricelessware page.
The offer still stands if Tramp wants it. I've got a page built for
something else that fits the job ready to go..........
Best,
POKO
--
POKO SAID THAT ...........
reply to (e-mail address removed) don't use VIAGARA
Pat Keenan - Webmaster, Keenan Consulting
http://www.keenanconsulting.on.ca
silly portal: www.keenanconsulting.on.ca/portal.html

 

[REMbranded]

Blinky the Shark <[email protected]> wrote:

(e-mail address removed) wrote:

I in no way with Roger, and his method of reading groups is terribly
inefficient. But as to filtering Tramp, it's not tedious when they're
in small messages, either.

With Agent he can download only headers and while getting email he can
delete any header he does not wish to download the body for without
using a filter and all before logging off. It takes a few seconds if
you know what you don't want to get.

Rocket science? No.

Group / Properties / Retrieve

Uncheck the button to download bodies.

 

[POKO]

POKO wrote:

OK, I give up. Which official language are you speaking?

<confused look>

Born 'n bred in Canada, married to a lass from your side of the pond for
10 yrs, now happily married to one from my side. Know a few French and
Italian swear words, but we speak Canadian up here in the North Country,
eh.
--
POKO SAID THAT ...........
reply to (e-mail address removed) don't use VIAGARA
Pat Keenan - Webmaster, Keenan Consulting
http://www.keenanconsulting.on.ca
silly portal: www.keenanconsulting.on.ca/portal.html

 

[POKO]

Uhm, POKO? You're gonna feel pretty silly in a second.

(1) Look carefully at the path in my headers
(2) Recognise anything on this page? http://dcicons.tripod.com/contact.html
(3) See my x-face
(4) See my sig

Any questions? };O)

OOPS,
I thought I was quoting a Brit. Was he on the thread just above/below
you? By the way, do not move to Manitoulin Island - there aint a damn
Tim's anywhere.
Wish I knew how to get at the headers in this damn thing.....
--
POKO SAID THAT ...........
reply to (e-mail address removed) don't use VIAGARA
Pat Keenan - Webmaster, Keenan Consulting
http://www.keenanconsulting.on.ca
silly portal: www.keenanconsulting.on.ca/portal.html

 

[Steve H]

Yes. Did no-one ever tell you this? AOL is an absolute laughing stock,
the length and breadth of usenet. See DC's response to me earlier. I
am glad to be able to educate you in this respect.

Oh that. Yeah, I see lots of that sort of stuff - the same sort of
stuff that goes 'BT? *puke*'
But it's kinda like those 'scientific' reports that come out every
couple of week, telling you first that something is bad for you -
closely followed next week by another report that says the same thing
is good for you.

Regards,

 

[tlshell]

I remember when I first upgraded the string between my bean cans...

Hey, I remember when we were using conch shells, before strings and
cans.