[OT] maybe - an open letter to a.c.f.

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dszady

Freeware
1. Alt.Comp.Freeware description: Free software that was intended to be
free.
http://www.news2mail.com/alt/comp.html
2. Software: (Thanks to HyperDictionary for Definitions in whole or in
part) http://www.hyperdictionary.com/)
Definition: (Or "computer program", "program", "code") The instructions
executed by a computer, as opposed to the physical device on which they run
(the "hardware").
The term was coined by the eminent statistician, John Tukey.
Programs stored on non-volatile storage built from integrated circuits
(e.g. ROM or PROM) are usually called firmware.
Software can be split into two main types - system software and application
software or application programs. System software is any software required
to support the production or execution of application programs but which is
not specific to any particular application. Examples of system software
would include the operating system, compilers, editors and sorting
programs.
Examples of application programs would include an accounts package or a CAD
program. Other broad classes of application software include real-time
software, business software, scientific and engineering software, embedded
software, personal computer software and artificial intelligence software.

Software includes both source code written by humans and executable machine
code produced by assemblers or compilers. It does not usually include the
data processed by programs unless this is in a format such as multimedia
which depends on the use of computers for its presentation. This
distinction becomes unclear in cases such as spread sheets which can
contain both instructions (formulae and macros) and data. There are also
various intermediate compiled or semi-compiled, forms of software such as
library files and byte-code.

Some claim that documentation (both paper and electronic) is also software.
Others go further and define software to be programs plus documentation
though this does not correspond with common usage.

The noun "program" describes a single, complete and more-or-less
self-contained list of instructions, often stored in a single file, whereas
"code" and "software" are uncountable nouns describing some number of
instructions which may constitute one or more programs or part thereof.
Most programs, however, rely heavily on various kinds of operating system
software for their execution. The nounds "code" and "software" both refer
to the same thing but "code" tends to suggest an interest in the
implementation details whereas "software" is more of a user's term.

3. a. WordNet Dictionary
Definition: [n] software that is provided without charge
See Also: package, software, software package, software system
Computing Dictionary
Definition: Software, often written by enthusiasts and distributed at
no charge by users' groups, or via electronic mail, local bulletin boards,
Usenet, or other electronic media.

At one time, "freeware" was a trademark of Andrew Fluegelman, the author of
the well-known MS-DOS communications program PC-TALK III. It wasn't
enforced after his mysterious disappearance and presumed death in 1984.

"Freeware" should not be confused with "free software" (roughly, software
with unrestricted redistribution) or "shareware" (software distributed
without charge for which users can pay voluntarily).

3 b."free software"
Computing Dictionary
Definition: According to Richard Stallman and the Free Software
Foundation, free software is software that everyone is free to copy,
redistribute and modify. That implies it must be available as source code.
It does not imply that it is free of charge, so anyone can sell free
software so long as they don't impose any new restrictions on its
redistribution or use.
3 b.
i. 3 b. is not the definition as set out in 1.

4. For a definition of freeware more in keeping with the spirit of the
group see the signature of Mr. John Coliss.
(eg. Message-ID: <[email protected]>

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Don't quote 200 lines to reply with two.
(eg. "FWT Newsletter - Weekly" with a quote at the bottom.)
Haven't seen that yet. But I have seen over 900 lines quoted in other
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This says it all.
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/posting.php
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and
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Newbies are to be treated with respect. I expect it. Do you? They don't
know you and you don't them and they are bound to make mistakes.
Treat them the way YOU would want/expect to be treated. Try not to jump all
over them if they have made an error by asking the wrong question or have
been erroneously directed to the wrong group. (Ever needed roadside
assistance? How would you feel if the person responding was belligerent to
you because you are in a helpless situation?)
Give them what they want then tell him or her how to go about it next time.
How many "lurkers" out there are afraid to post because of the prospect of
being "flamed"? Has anyone else here ever been a lurker or a newbie?
The newbie and lurker of today are the regulars of tomorrow.
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whole.
I will not respond to posts that are derogatory in manner. I have never
"killfiled" anyone or ever will.
This will also be posted to a.c.f.d.

Comment or elaborations welcome.
 
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Henk de Jong

dszady wrote on 29-1-2004 :
Freeware
1. Alt.Comp.Freeware description: Free software that was intended to be
free.
http://www.news2mail.com/alt/comp.html
2. Software: (Thanks to HyperDictionary for Definitions in whole or in
part) http://www.hyperdictionary.com/)
Definition: (Or "computer program", "program", "code") The instructions
executed by a computer, as opposed to the physical device on which they run
(the "hardware").

<snipped>

Hi,

Just out of curiousity: why are you starting this? Didn't we already
have gone through a lot of 'discussions' about the definition of
freeware? As far as I can recall those 'discussions' always ended up in
a mess.

Just curious....

With kind regards,

--
Henk de Jong
The Netherlands
(e-mail address removed) (Remove _NO_SPAM_)
'Links to Freeware'
http://www.linkstofreeware.vze.com/
http://home.hccnet.nl/hmdejong/
 
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dszady

dszady wrote on 29-1-2004 :

<snipped>

Hi,

Just out of curiousity: why are you starting this? Didn't we already
have gone through a lot of 'discussions' about the definition of
freeware? As far as I can recall those 'discussions' always ended up in
a mess.

Just curious....

With kind regards,

Oh. We were supposed to have a discussion after the new year about the
definition of freeware. I may be wrong about that.
I thought it was more important to point out a few things that some people
were forgetting. But when someone responded to my response to the OP as
"such and such is close enough" it sort of rankled me a bit. It wasn't
freeware.
All in all, I hope it came off as more of a summary than a chastising.
Or maybe I just don't play well with others.
 
S

Susan Bugher

dszady said:
Oh. We were supposed to have a discussion after the new year about the
definition of freeware. I may be wrong about that.

Nope - just haven't gotten to it. Some comments/suggestions for changes
in the Ware Glossary were made during the Pricelessware selection. A
once a year review seems like a good idea. IIRC it was May 2003 when we
hammered out the current definitions. I figure I'm not late in starting
the discussion *yet*. :)

The glossary review might be a good time to have a once a year straw
poll about on/off topic posts - with some beforehand discussion so that
the choices are more clearly worded and understood than they were last
fall.
I thought it was more important to point out a few things that some people
were forgetting. But when someone responded to my response to the OP as
"such and such is close enough" it sort of rankled me a bit. It wasn't
freeware.
All in all, I hope it came off as more of a summary than a chastising.
Or maybe I just don't play well with others.

Came off fine here. It was an interesting read.

and . . .

It made me realize the ware glossary doesn't defines software. We might
want to do that at the beginning before we start describing the
sub-species. ;)

Just FYI for anyone who haven't read it:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/Glossary2004PL.htm

Susan
 
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Derald

dszady said:
blahblahblah; blahblah; blah
I'm sure many will quibble but in general, for my part at least,
thank you. However, I am compelled to ask whether you are familiar with
the U.S. English expression: "Pissing into the wind"? :)
 
D

dszady

I'm sure many will quibble but in general, for my part at least,
thank you. However, I am compelled to ask whether you are familiar with
the U.S. English expression: "Pissing into the wind"? :)

Thank you.
Actually, I have done that while drunk. And I received a "free" bath. I
also didn't care due to the condition I was in.
So the saying I am familiar with plus a few local colloquialisms like "Ya
can't get theah from heah".
And men refer to women as "deah". Women refer to men as "deah" along with a
few other choice expletives. :)
I also am from Bangor, Maine where the temperature hasn't been above 32°
(0° Celsius) since December I believe.
Are the leaves out yet?
 
D

Derald

dszady said:
Are the leaves out yet?
Shoot, I don't know; I'm in Florida. Most of'em haven't gone away
yet; some won't. I have family members spending their first winter in
NH. They certainly picked the right one to "break-in" on, didn't they?
;-)
 

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