Defining "Elegant"

[Doris Day - MFB]

How I define "elegant" ...

Running a file system that is journaled so that your data is protected from
power outages for example.

Running a file system that doesn't require defragging.

Running a file system where it doesn't matter how many drives you have they
are all mounted under the root file system. Even drives on other computers
on your LAN or across the Internet.

Being able to run a GUI application remotely across your LAN or across the
Internet.

Having access to over 20,000 software packages at the click of a mouse,
downloaded and installed from the Internet. All free.

Being able to completely remove a software package without fear that bits
have been left behind.

Having all your system configuration stored in plain text documents so you
can edit them locally or from across the Net.

Having detailed logs of just about everything your computer is doing.

Being able to run an operating system on a wide variety of platforms, not
just Intel hardware.

Running a true multi-user operating system and being able to access user
accounts from anywhere in the world.

Being able to run an operating system on something as simple as a standalone
router all the way to a cluster of super computers and most anything in
between.

Being able to run a computer connected to the Net and not worry about any
malware.

Being able to mount a directory that exists on some other computer across
the world and have the directory look and act like it was on your own hard
drive/desktop.

Having up to 16 independent desktops, each running applications and with a
mouse wheel switch between them.

Being able to jump between an assortment of different window
managers/desktops, all running concurrently with a simple CTL-ALT-Fx.

Being able to mount an ISO, so that it looks like a CD/DVD.

Having access to a command prompt that makes one line commands do everything
from ripping DVDs to changing video files from mpeg, avi, flash, quicktime.

Being able to run the most advanced 3d desktop with very little resource
demands.

Having 175 processes running and no slowdown in any app one is running.

Having the ability to devote virtual memory to a drive partition.

Being able to run a complete GUI operating system from a CD or a flash
drive.

Being able to clone a hard drive, move it to another machine and have your
whole operating system and data up and running on another computer, even
with a different chipset.

Being able to run the operating system on all your computers in your home or
business and even give away copies to friends, all for free.

Being able to listen to your media without being encumbered with DRM.

Being able to build an SQL based database of all your music on your local
computer or across your LAN for instant playback.

Being able to stay on the leading edge of operating system innovations with
upgrades available every 6 months rather than every 6 years.

Being able to control *all* aspects of a remote computer using a common web
browser.

The list goes on and on. Man, is Linux ever great and "elegant".

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Drew]

And if you think Linux is so great why are you here ??....Probably because
Linux is NOT what you seem to have a wet dream about and have to post
here....Bottom line, GET A FRICKIN LIFE and go post somewhere where the
rest of the Linux amateurs go !!!

 

[Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]]

Do you have a question about Vista?

I can't tell from this post?

 

[Spocks Buddy]

I always ask:

ELEGANT or ELEPHANT?


I see a swirming trunk somewhere behind the lampost... nope you cannot
hide.. FATSO VISTO.

 

[Lang Murphy]

The list goes on and on. Man, is Linux ever great and "elegant".

Love and Kisses,
Doris

Yeah... but you forgot:

Having a learning curve so steep that self-absorbed malcontents who master
it think it's OK to look down their noses at folks who use Windows.

Hum-bug. It's fanatics like you who scare people AWAY from Linux. You just
don't get it...

Lang

 

[Alias]

Yeah... but you forgot:

Having a learning curve so steep that self-absorbed malcontents who
master it think it's OK to look down their noses at folks who use Windows.

Hum-bug. It's fanatics like you who scare people AWAY from Linux. You
just don't get it...

Lang

I'm a newbie to Linux Ubuntu and I find it very user friendly. I also
find that the support by experienced users is MUCH more friendly than
from the Microsoft Boys and Girls. Your mind set regarding Linux is
about five years old.

Alias

 

[Lang Murphy]

I'm a newbie to Linux Ubuntu and I find it very user friendly. I also find
that the support by experienced users is MUCH more friendly than from the
Microsoft Boys and Girls. Your mind set regarding Linux is about five
years old.

Alias

That's a pretty funny statement considering I'm running Ubuntu here on a
laptop and in a VM. Got Solaris and SUSE running in VM's too. My mind set
regarding Linux is fine; I'm not anti-Linux, I've never posted a negative
comment in this NG regarding Linux.

If you consider my dig at DD to be anti-Linux, then I think you need to read
a little deeper, to get at the true meaning of what I posted. Sorry, but I
won't spell it out for you.

And speaking of five year olds... your comment to Colin Barnhorst, one of
the most level headed, and most helpful, folks to -ever- post in this NG of
"you want some cheese with that whine."? Yeah, that was mature and friendly.

Lang

 

[Frank]

How I define "elegant" ...

Oh Doris, your delusional again. Elegant is what you used to call your
hair style, but alas, that too is long gone.
Frank

 

[Frank]

I always ask:

ELEGANT or ELEPHANT?

The only elephant you see is the one looking back at you in the mirror.
Frank

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

Yeah... but you forgot:

Having a learning curve so steep that self-absorbed malcontents who master
it think it's OK to look down their noses at folks who use Windows.

Seems like it is you Lang who are looking down. If you are able to run
Linux, why do you think others cannot master it? Are you superior? I, on
the other hand, think that most computer users with a little effort, can
learn to use Linux and see all the elegance this operating system has to
offer.

Hum-bug. It's fanatics like you who scare people AWAY from Linux. You just
don't get it...

I think I get it. You, obviously, have missed the point.

Lang

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Adam Albright]

Seems like it is you Lang who are looking down. If you are able to run
Linux, why do you think others cannot master it? Are you superior? I, on
the other hand, think that most computer users with a little effort, can
learn to use Linux and see all the elegance this operating system has to
offer.

There is nothing special about Linux. I've tried seven installs of
various flavors so far over the years and wasn't impressed enough with
any of them to switch from Windows. My experince, wannabe geek types
are drawn to it like a moth to a flame, mostly for bragging rights.
Sorry, I'm not impressed either withthe OS or the blowhards that
pretend it is superior.

The reality is there is little professional grade software that works
under that platform and that is the main reason it is rejected by the
greater general universe of users from raw beginners to very
experienced highly technical users. It just don't cut it. Smart people
KNOW that. Pity you're not smart enough to figure it out on your own.
There's nothing to get. Geez man, its just a operating system. A good
one stays in the background. Show me anybody impressed over a
operating system and I'm looking as some anti-social geek wannabe that
think he's a big sh*t just because he runs Linux. What a crock. Grow
up.

 

[Justin]

There is nothing special about Linux. I've tried seven installs of
various flavors so far over the years and wasn't impressed enough with
any of them to switch from Windows. My experince, wannabe geek types
are drawn to it like a moth to a flame, mostly for bragging rights.
Sorry, I'm not impressed either withthe OS or the blowhards that
pretend it is superior.

The reality is there is little professional grade software that works
under that platform and that is the main reason it is rejected by the
greater general universe of users from raw beginners to very
experienced highly technical users. It just don't cut it. Smart people
KNOW that. Pity you're not smart enough to figure it out on your own.

There's nothing to get. Geez man, its just a operating system. A good
one stays in the background. Show me anybody impressed over a
operating system and I'm looking as some anti-social geek wannabe that
think he's a big sh*t just because he runs Linux. What a crock. Grow
up.

Another rant from the weasel word king himself. As usual you give a VERY
broad and generalized opinion of something that is unjustified and can be
grossly mistaken. At the VERY LEAST you need to separate server level Linux
and desktop level Linux.

Linux is top dog when it comes to countless appliances and application
servers. When you buy a firewall does it come with WindowsCE? Not likely.

Why is your post a trolling rant? Here you go, "It just don't cut it. Smart
people KNOW that."

You just can't help yourself when it comes to being a complete a$$.

Certain server level applications - Linux is great!

I still don't see how I can take a single distro and apply it across 300+
desktop PCs without ripping my hair out!

 

[Chris Barnes]

The reality is there is little professional grade software that works
under that platform and that is the main reason it is rejected by the
greater general universe of users from raw beginners to very
experienced highly technical users. It just don't cut it.

You need to be more precise.

If you had said "there is little professional grade APPLICATION software
that works under that platform", you would be correct. Office, Quicken,
Turbo Tax, ad infinitum are simply THE REASON for using Windows over
Linux (or for that matter, Mac OSX).

However, the term "software" in a generic sense is simply incorrect.
For scientific and server software (2 areas I use extensively), Linux
does just fine and arguably has better choices.

There's nothing to get. Geez man, its just a operating system. A good
one stays in the background. Show me anybody impressed over a
operating system and I'm looking as some anti-social geek wannabe that
think he's a big sh*t just because he runs Linux. What a crock. Grow
up.

It's all about using the right tool for the job at hand. On my desk, I
have Windows (and am SUFFERING through with Vista, day 2). In my server
room, I have 99% Linux. My web developer happens to use Mac OSX and is
a decent choice.

 

[Lang Murphy]

Seems like it is you Lang who are looking down. If you are able to run
Linux, why do you think others cannot master it? Are you superior? I, on
the other hand, think that most computer users with a little effort, can
learn to use Linux and see all the elegance this operating system has to
offer.

I think I get it. You, obviously, have missed the point.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

I wrote that I am running Linux. I never claimed to be an experienced Linux
user. Needless to say, there is a difference. From your posts I assume that
you are an experienced Linux user.

And, no, you -still- don't get it. And since you don't seem to comprehend
what it is you don't get, I'll expand: you don't get that anyone should be
able to use whichever OS they want to without having other folks blather on
unceasingly about how that OS sucks and the OS -they- use is so much better.

You know... a quick search through alt.os.linux.ubuntu for "Vista" only
returns a handful of posts from a single person who has a couple of quotes
about it in his signature. I could find no Vista troll postings in that NG.
Hmm... I could not find any postings from you either, oddly enough. No
postings from you in alt.os.linux either.

Your agenda is quite clear: post derisive and condescending off topic
screeds that insult just about every person that uses Windows. Aren't you
special?

Lang

 

[Lang Murphy]

There's nothing to get. Geez man, its just a operating system. A good
one stays in the background. Show me anybody impressed over a
operating system and I'm looking as some anti-social geek wannabe that
think he's a big sh*t just because he runs Linux. What a crock. Grow
up.

Not sure if you were reponding to my quote above or to DD. And... you make
the point I was making, that DD doesn't get it, exactly, just with different
wording.

Lang

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

Another rant from the weasel word king himself. As usual you give a VERY
broad and generalized opinion of something that is unjustified and can be
grossly mistaken. At the VERY LEAST you need to separate server level
Linux and desktop level Linux.

Linux is top dog when it comes to countless appliances and application
servers. When you buy a firewall does it come with WindowsCE? Not
likely.

Why is your post a trolling rant? Here you go, "It just don't cut it.
Smart people KNOW that."

You just can't help yourself when it comes to being a complete a$$.

Certain server level applications - Linux is great!

I still don't see how I can take a single distro and apply it across 300+
desktop PCs without ripping my hair out!

You could install it on one computer and then clone it's disks to all the
others. Presto, all are running Linux.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Justin]

You could install it on one computer and then clone it's disks to all the
others. Presto, all are running Linux.

Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Driver hell! Not all the machines are
the same. I've already gone down this road.

 

[HeyBub]

Oh Doris, your delusional again. Elegant is what you used to call your
hair style, but alas, that too is long gone.

The hair or the style?

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Driver hell! Not all the machines are
the same. I've already gone down this road.

You must be getting confused with Windoze. Linux doesn't work that way.
Might have to make *adjustments* to the video config and maybe the
soundcard settings, but essentially everything else will install as
required.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Bruce Chambers]

You must be getting confused with Windoze. Linux doesn't work that way.
Might have to make *adjustments* to the video config and maybe the
soundcard settings, but essentially everything else will install as
required.

If that's so, then there's been a new distro released that no one else
has ever heard of. One some distros, you're lucky if you can get the
mouse and video (above a 16-color, 640x400 display, that is) working at
the same time. This I know from first-hand experience.


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Bruce Chambers

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