XP's chkdsk.exe ...

R

RJK

Every now and again I have a google and read, and am still no clearer on the
damn thing.
Norton Systemworks 2003 ALWAYS tells me that there is a problem with
"security descriptors" on my two 80gb Maxtor drives but, I don't ever let it
"fix" it because I suspect it is lying.
XP's chkdsk.exe that should run on reboot, when flagged/ticked to do so but,
doesn't seem to do so. The GUI version of chkdsk.exe that calls autochk.exe
is of course no good for the drive for which I want an honest answer - i.e.
my boot drive c:
How does one do a "chkdsk" if there is no true DOS environment i.e. it's no
good running it from a cmd window.
Would it be any good to run it while in safe mode?
Should I boot to a command prompt ?
I've read bits and pieces about peoples NT FAT's getting replaced with a new
one, when fiddling with the recovery console !!! I don't fancy that at all
!

How can I chkdsk.exe my drives and resolve this "security descriptor"
problem ? In the past I did put a tick in the box to let Norton "fix" the
problem but, it didn't get fixed and is always there. I suspect that Norton
System works cannot cope properly with NTFS partitions. Any thoughts much
appreciated. XP's chkdsk.exe raises so many questions every time I read
something about it, I'm tempted to place my XP Home ed. back onto FAT32 !!!!

regards, Richard
 
D

Dave Patrick

You can also run;
chkdsk /r
from the recovery console command line. (/r implies /f and /p)

To start the Recovery Console, start the computer from the Windows XP CD-Rom
Press ENTER at the "Setup Notification" screen. Press R to repair a Windows
XP installation, and then press C to use the Recovery Console. The Recovery
Console then prompts you for the administrator password. If you do not have
the correct password, Recovery Console does not allow access to the
computer. If an incorrect password is entered three times, the Recovery
Console quits and restarts the computer. Note: If the registry is corrupted
or missing or no valid installations are found, the Recovery Console starts
in the root of the startup volume without requiring a password. You cannot
access any folders, but you can carry out commands such as chkdsk, fixboot,
and fixmbr for limited disk repairs. Once the password has been validated,
you have full access to the Recovery Console, but limited access to the hard
disk. You can only access the following folders on your computer: drive
root, %systemroot% or %windir%

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Every now and again I have a google and read, and am still no clearer on
the
| damn thing.
| Norton Systemworks 2003 ALWAYS tells me that there is a problem with
| "security descriptors" on my two 80gb Maxtor drives but, I don't ever let
it
| "fix" it because I suspect it is lying.
| XP's chkdsk.exe that should run on reboot, when flagged/ticked to do so
but,
| doesn't seem to do so. The GUI version of chkdsk.exe that calls
autochk.exe
| is of course no good for the drive for which I want an honest answer -
i.e.
| my boot drive c:
| How does one do a "chkdsk" if there is no true DOS environment i.e. it's
no
| good running it from a cmd window.
| Would it be any good to run it while in safe mode?
| Should I boot to a command prompt ?
| I've read bits and pieces about peoples NT FAT's getting replaced with a
new
| one, when fiddling with the recovery console !!! I don't fancy that at
all
| !
|
| How can I chkdsk.exe my drives and resolve this "security descriptor"
| problem ? In the past I did put a tick in the box to let Norton "fix"
the
| problem but, it didn't get fixed and is always there. I suspect that
Norton
| System works cannot cope properly with NTFS partitions. Any thoughts much
| appreciated. XP's chkdsk.exe raises so many questions every time I read
| something about it, I'm tempted to place my XP Home ed. back onto FAT32
!!!!
|
| regards, Richard
|
|
 
R

RJK

Thanx for your response. In XP Home ed. the recovery console is not
installed by default, and is only partially functional after manually
installing it from the XP cd ...or was that the "automated recovery"
...can't remember now but, I do remember reading up on it at MS and I can
remember thinking "what a load of complicated crap from MS."

I just hit F8 while booting and selected the "Boot into Safe Mode with
Command prompt" and got LONG pause at "loading mup.sys.." or something like
that, and then the damn thing rebooted in Normal mode !!

regards, Richard


Dave Patrick said:
You can also run;
chkdsk /r
from the recovery console command line. (/r implies /f and /p)

To start the Recovery Console, start the computer from the Windows XP
CD-Rom
Press ENTER at the "Setup Notification" screen. Press R to repair a
Windows
XP installation, and then press C to use the Recovery Console. The
Recovery
Console then prompts you for the administrator password. If you do not
have
the correct password, Recovery Console does not allow access to the
computer. If an incorrect password is entered three times, the Recovery
Console quits and restarts the computer. Note: If the registry is
corrupted
or missing or no valid installations are found, the Recovery Console
starts
in the root of the startup volume without requiring a password. You cannot
access any folders, but you can carry out commands such as chkdsk,
fixboot,
and fixmbr for limited disk repairs. Once the password has been validated,
you have full access to the Recovery Console, but limited access to the
hard
disk. You can only access the following folders on your computer: drive
root, %systemroot% or %windir%

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Every now and again I have a google and read, and am still no clearer on
the
| damn thing.
| Norton Systemworks 2003 ALWAYS tells me that there is a problem with
| "security descriptors" on my two 80gb Maxtor drives but, I don't ever
let
it
| "fix" it because I suspect it is lying.
| XP's chkdsk.exe that should run on reboot, when flagged/ticked to do so
but,
| doesn't seem to do so. The GUI version of chkdsk.exe that calls
autochk.exe
| is of course no good for the drive for which I want an honest answer -
i.e.
| my boot drive c:
| How does one do a "chkdsk" if there is no true DOS environment i.e. it's
no
| good running it from a cmd window.
| Would it be any good to run it while in safe mode?
| Should I boot to a command prompt ?
| I've read bits and pieces about peoples NT FAT's getting replaced with a
new
| one, when fiddling with the recovery console !!! I don't fancy that at
all
| !
|
| How can I chkdsk.exe my drives and resolve this "security descriptor"
| problem ? In the past I did put a tick in the box to let Norton "fix"
the
| problem but, it didn't get fixed and is always there. I suspect that
Norton
| System works cannot cope properly with NTFS partitions. Any thoughts
much
| appreciated. XP's chkdsk.exe raises so many questions every time I read
| something about it, I'm tempted to place my XP Home ed. back onto FAT32
!!!!
|
| regards, Richard
|
|
Click to expand...
 
G

Guest

What's the problem with chkdsk.exe? You just run "chkdsk /F c:", press Y to
indicate you want to run it the next time the system restarts, and that's
it. Or right-click the C drive, select Tools, click CheckNow.
 
D

Dave Patrick

Correct not installed by default for any Windows OS. To start the Recovery
Console, start the computer from the Windows XP CD-Rom

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Thanx for your response. In XP Home ed. the recovery console is not
| installed by default, and is only partially functional after manually
| installing it from the XP cd ...or was that the "automated recovery"
| ..can't remember now but, I do remember reading up on it at MS and I can
| remember thinking "what a load of complicated crap from MS."
|
| I just hit F8 while booting and selected the "Boot into Safe Mode with
| Command prompt" and got LONG pause at "loading mup.sys.." or something
like
| that, and then the damn thing rebooted in Normal mode !!
|
| regards, Richard
 
D

Dave Patrick

Frequently you'll get an error something to the effect "cannot open volume
for direct access" There is some system/boot start device that is
reading/writing to the drive before chkdsk can get a lock on the drive. Some
anti-virus applications do this. Hence the need to run from the RC

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| What's the problem with chkdsk.exe? You just run "chkdsk /F c:", press Y
to
| indicate you want to run it the next time the system restarts, and that's
| it. Or right-click the C drive, select Tools, click CheckNow.
 
D

Dave Patrick

Why would it be better? Certainly not easier even if you know the processes
that hold the lock(s).

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Then it would be better to temporarily disable those.
|
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G

Guest

RJK said:
Every now and again I have a google and read, and am still no clearer on the
damn thing.
Norton Systemworks 2003 ALWAYS tells me that there is a problem with
"security descriptors" on my two 80gb Maxtor drives but, I don't ever let it
"fix" it because I suspect it is lying.
XP's chkdsk.exe that should run on reboot, when flagged/ticked to do so but,
doesn't seem to do so. The GUI version of chkdsk.exe that calls autochk.exe
is of course no good for the drive for which I want an honest answer - i.e.
my boot drive c:
How does one do a "chkdsk" if there is no true DOS environment i.e. it's no
good running it from a cmd window.
Would it be any good to run it while in safe mode?
Should I boot to a command prompt ?
I've read bits and pieces about peoples NT FAT's getting replaced with a new
one, when fiddling with the recovery console !!! I don't fancy that at all
!

How can I chkdsk.exe my drives and resolve this "security descriptor"
problem ? In the past I did put a tick in the box to let Norton "fix" the
problem but, it didn't get fixed and is always there. I suspect that Norton
System works cannot cope properly with NTFS partitions. Any thoughts much
appreciated. XP's chkdsk.exe raises so many questions every time I read
something about it, I'm tempted to place my XP Home ed. back onto FAT32 !!!!

regards, Richard
Click to expand...
"... because I suspect it is lying...." How will you trust answers that you
receive here?
"... for which I want an honest answer ..." How will you decide which are
honest answers and dishonest answers? Some may honest, but erroneous.
"...Norton System works cannot cope properly with NTFS partitions...."
Norton has worked on NTFS drives with NT 4, W2K, and XP for years not.
 
R

RJK

After setting chkdsk.exe to run at next reboot, it doesn't. I have read a
couple of articles that indicate that Zonealarms' "truevector" service could
be the culprit. Setting ZA to not load at startup doesn't seem to help but,
it's truevector service still shows in msconfig | startup ...so perhaps I
should uninstall it and have a go. However, it all seems a huge amount of
tinkering in order to get chkdsk.exe and/or autochk.exe working.

regards, Richard
 
R

RJK

Thank you all who posted on this thread.
I've just spent almost FOREVER plus one and a half hours, pinning down
exactly why chkdsk.exe would not run on reboot. ...as you know tracking
down a particular problem often involves 9,000,042 reboots !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The cuplrit was ZONEALARM .....so they can keep the crap! I will not have
it in my machine EVER AGAIN.
I was always a Norton fan, and am now a "born again" Norton fan :)

regards, Richard
 
M

Michael Stevens

RJK said:
Thanx for your response. In XP Home ed. the recovery console is not
installed by default, and is only partially functional after manually
installing it from the XP cd ...or was that the "automated recovery"
..can't remember now but, I do remember reading up on it at MS and I
can remember thinking "what a load of complicated crap from MS."

I just hit F8 while booting and selected the "Boot into Safe Mode with
Command prompt" and got LONG pause at "loading mup.sys.." or
something like that, and then the damn thing rebooted in Normal mode
!!
regards, Richard
Click to expand...


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if using the web based newsgroup.
Recovery console info.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html#RC
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