XP SP2 *will* be delivered ??

[Tony Allen]

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2aumng.mspx

<quote>
Please note that the mechanism to temporarily disable delivery of Windows XP
SP2 will be available for a period of 240 days (8 months) from August 16. At
the end of this period, Windows XP SP2 will be delivered to all Windows XP
and Windows XP Service Pack 1 systems.
</quote>

" . . . will be delivered . . ." WILL BE ??

Just WHAT does THAT mean?

 

[Jone Doe]

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2aumng.mspx

<quote>
Please note that the mechanism to temporarily disable delivery of Windows
XP
SP2 will be available for a period of 240 days (8 months) from August 16.
At
the end of this period, Windows XP SP2 will be delivered to all Windows XP
and Windows XP Service Pack 1 systems.
</quote>

" . . . will be delivered . . ." WILL BE ??

Just WHAT does THAT mean?

It means what it says. If you have it set to download and install
automatically, it will. After that date. You don't want it to? Turn off
the automatic part of windows update.

 

[Tony Allen]

Then what's the purpose of this "mechanism to temporarily disable delivery
.. . ." business?

They appear to be saying they have a 'mechanism' that temporarily disables
an enabled automatic update.

Why not simply disable the @3%``%- thing and leave it at that?

 

[Guest]

My SP2 from Micrsoft was delivered in a couple of days(` 1 week), you can get
SP2 CD from Best Buy,Circuit City, Staples, ect.
Rho_1r(VIP)

 

[Tony Allen]

Thanks Rho_1r.

My point is that I DON'T want the thing. I don't/won't have much choice but
to deal with the fiasco on other systems that I deal with but on my two
'home use' systems it *will not* be installed for as long as I can put it
off.

My fear is that some day, in the future, I'll do a clean install of one of
my OSs and not be able to get sp1 and it's subsequent updates stopping short
of sp2.

--

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Then what's the purpose of this "mechanism to temporarily disable delivery
. . ." business?

They appear to be saying they have a 'mechanism' that temporarily disables
an enabled automatic update.

Why not simply disable the @3%``%- thing and leave it at that?

A number of our corporate customers allow their users to have the automatic
download setting on for most of the small patches and security updates we
ship.
However the size, nature and complexity of SP2 means that the corporate
wanted time to allow them to test and verify it for their environments
before the end user automatically picks it up, so we issued a temporary
patch that disabled this updates but allowed others until a certain date
after which time the patch will no longer work and those users will receive
SP2.
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Mike
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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

My SP2 from Micrsoft was delivered in a couple of days(` 1 week), you can
get
SP2 CD from Best Buy,Circuit City, Staples, ect.
Rho_1r(VIP)

This thread has nothing to do with "delivery" of CD copies of SP2.

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Mike
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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Thanks Rho_1r.

My point is that I DON'T want the thing. I don't/won't have much choice
but
to deal with the fiasco on other systems that I deal with but on my two
'home use' systems it *will not* be installed for as long as I can put it
off.

My fear is that some day, in the future, I'll do a clean install of one of
my OSs and not be able to get sp1 and it's subsequent updates stopping
short
of sp2.

Do not rely on SP1 for Windows XP always being available.
SP2 includes all the SP1 fixes and much more.
You should endeavour to resolve the issues with your system that are
preventing you installing SP2.
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[Tony Allen]

My sp2 experience involved installing it on a system that had just, minutes
before, had a format and 'clean' install of XP pro. The only peripheral
item attached was a D-Link wireless router that sits between that computer
and my cable modem. This particular computer is wired to that router. My
other computer (wireless to the router) was turned off so as to not have any
traffic with the router during the OS and SP installs. My BIOS (intel) was
checked for the latest the day before and is up to date. After the OS
install I did a few housecleaning chores (turn off sounds, set screen
resolution, customize IE toolbars, enable single click, tweak folder views,
etc.). There was NO additional software and/or hardware installed. I went
straight to the windows update site and started the sp2 update. When it
finished and rebooted things looked fine. Being late in the evening I
turned the system off. Next morning it wouldn't boot past the bios splash
screen. Loop - loop - loop!
F8 into setup \ boot from CD drive \ insert xpCD and start all over AGAIN.

I now have a near perfectly working xp pro and xp home network File, print
and drive sharing works as intended. I have VERY good internet access and
quite good speeds into both systems. Both systems have the latest AV and
two of the industry standard anti-spyware packages installed. I maintain
both systems so as to be squeaky clean as far as what I allow to be
installed, how and where. Unused services are disabled, boot processes and
other running processes are kept to a minimum. Cookies, temp folders,
recent folders and recycle are cleaned numerous times a day. All my little
utilities (Power Toys, Belarc, ieSpell, Google toolbar, Yahoo IM, Jukebox,
etc. are installed and working just super.

Based on my one experience AND from reading the plethora of complaints, here
in these Microsoft NGs and many others places, I have to conclude that sp2
simply is not worth the risk - by a huge amount!

No one has yet to tell me what feature(s) of sp2 I can't live just fine
without. I don't want it if it messes with my IE, OE, firewall, AV and
other settings and configurations.

 

[Jone Doe]

I *don't* understand why you don't want it. 90% of those who have it have
had no problems whatsoever. The 10% with problems are generally mild
problems that go away with simple adjustments. If you follow the
suggestions on the update window to be ready for the download of SP2, you
should have no problems at all.

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

John,

Maybe you wanted to reply to Tony (Allen).
I have SP2 and also have it deployed to thousands of clients PCs with no
issues at all.

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[Mary Alice]

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John,

Maybe you wanted to reply to Tony (Allen).
I have SP2 and also have it deployed to thousands of clients PCs with no
issues at all.

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Mike
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[Mary Alice]

In case you missed it. From two posts up: (attention to the first sentence
of the last paragraph)

My sp2 experience involved installing it on a system that had just, minutes
before, had a format and 'clean' install of XP pro. The only peripheral
item attached was a D-Link wireless router that sits between that computer
and my cable modem. This particular computer is wired to that router. My
other computer (wireless to the router) was turned off so as to not have any
traffic with the router during the OS and SP installs. My BIOS (intel) was
checked for the latest the day before and is up to date. After the OS
install I did a few housecleaning chores (turn off sounds, set screen
resolution, customize IE toolbars, enable single click, tweak folder views,
etc.). There was NO additional software and/or hardware installed. I went
straight to the windows update site and started the sp2 update. When it
finished and rebooted things looked fine. Being late in the evening I
turned the system off. Next morning it wouldn't boot past the bios splash
screen. Loop - loop - loop!
F8 into setup \ boot from CD drive \ insert xpCD and start all over AGAIN.

I now have a near perfectly working xp pro and xp home network File, print
and drive sharing works as intended. I have VERY good internet access and
quite good speeds into both systems. Both systems have the latest AV and
two of the industry standard anti-spyware packages installed. I maintain
both systems so as to be squeaky clean as far as what I allow to be
installed, how and where. Unused services are disabled, boot processes and
other running processes are kept to a minimum. Cookies, temp folders,
recent folders and recycle are cleaned numerous times a day. All my little
utilities (Power Toys, Belarc, ieSpell, Google toolbar, Yahoo IM, Jukebox,
etc. are installed and working just super.

Based on my one experience AND from reading the plethora of complaints, here
in these Microsoft NGs and many others places, I have to conclude that sp2
simply is not worth the risk - by a huge amount!

No one has yet to tell me what feature(s) of sp2 I can't live just fine
without. I don't want it if it messes with my IE, OE, firewall, AV and
other settings and configurations.

 

[Tom]

John,

Maybe you wanted to reply to Tony (Allen).
I have SP2 and also have it deployed to thousands of clients PCs with no
issues at all.

And your clients are MS employees, or are you moonlighting? If moonlighting, I doubt very highly that you have deployed SP2 on "thousands" of PCs, considering how long it takes to update just one system in the optimum of circumstances.

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

John,

Maybe you wanted to reply to Tony (Allen).
I have SP2 and also have it deployed to thousands of clients PCs with no
issues at all.

And your clients are MS employees, or are you moonlighting?
If moonlighting, I doubt very highly that you have deployed SP2 on
"thousands" of PCs, considering how long it takes to update just one
system in the optimum of circumstances.

Moonlighting ???
One area where I work is in the infrastructure delivery portion of our
business where one of my roles is consulting on enterprise wide designs and
deployments of our technology.
We have number of clients that have already rolled out SP2 to thousands of
PCs.
If you are having problems with an enterprise roll out maybe you would like
to engage with one of our many partners that specialise in large scale
deployments or upgrades or directly with Microsoft Consulting Services.

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John,

Maybe you wanted to reply to Tony (Allen).
I have SP2 and also have it deployed to thousands of clients PCs with no
issues at all.

And your clients are MS employees, or are you moonlighting? If moonlighting,
I doubt very highly that you have deployed SP2 on "thousands" of PCs,
considering how long it takes to update just one system in the optimum of
circumstances.

 

[Gordie]

90% of those who have it have

had no problems whatsoever. The 10% with problems are generally mild

Hi, just wondered where you got these percentages?

 

[Jone Doe]

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90% of those who have it have

Hi, just wondered where you got these percentages?

 

[Ralph Polo]

Mike Brannigan,

I'm not sure if you are the right person to ask.

Do you know if there is a switch that can be used to
extract the files from the SP2 network file?

Thanks!
Ralph

 

[Gordie]

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[Tom]

Moonlighting ???
One area where I work is in the infrastructure delivery portion of our
business where one of my roles is consulting on enterprise wide designs and
deployments of our technology.
We have number of clients that have already rolled out SP2 to thousands of
PCs.
If you are having problems with an enterprise roll out maybe you would like
to engage with one of our many partners that specialise in large scale
deployments or upgrades or directly with Microsoft Consulting Services.

Mike, you made your previous post sound as if YOU deployed SP2 to THOUSANDS of PCs on your own. Now that you say what is happening is essentially done on a netwrok, I'd say you didn't do that, but the IT people did for their respective companies, or for MS's employee PCs.