XP Pro w/ Sp2 OEM

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DM

I want to purchase XP Pro w/ SP2 from someone on eBay. They claim it is
"Brand New! Genuine from Microsoft! w/ TECH Support"

The only thing is it is an OEM version.

I've never bought an operating system by it's self without being
preinstalled before. Will this OEM version work for me? What are the
limitations on OEM versions?

I am replacing my current XP Pro operating system with a new one because I
locked the system up by playing with the security policy. Yea, dumb but I
was learning and got carried away.

Thanks in advance!
 
G

Gordon

DM said:
I am replacing my current XP Pro operating system with a new one because I
locked the system up by playing with the security policy. Yea, dumb but I
was learning and got carried away.

Have you tried doing a repair install? Booting into Safe Mode? You don't
need to buy a new OS just for this.
 
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DM

Yea, I booted into safe mode and logged in as administrator but the
administrator don't have rights anymore.

I am interested in any help I can get. I have had high-class computer
programmers look at it and tell me good luck (reformat).
 
T

thecreator

Hi DM,

Do you since have your Windows XP Pro Disk? What is your Manufacturer,
Brand and Model Number of your Computer?
 
B

Bruce Chambers

DM said:
I want to purchase XP Pro w/ SP2 from someone on eBay.


Getting a legitimate license of any kind from eBay is something of a
crap shoot. One should be very careful buying any software on eBay,
as eBay makes no prior effort to ensure that such sales are legitimate.
The problems stem from two completely different sources, but have the
same results: the buyer gets ripped off. A great many people don't fully
understand the terms of the license they own, and don't understand that
they cannot legitimately resell it, and - worse still - there are a
great many sellers who do know that they're selling bogus licenses. eBay
reacts only when someone files a complaint, and then all that really
happens, especially in the case of the many deliberate fraudsters, is
the seller of the pirated software returns using a different alias, to
continue selling illegitimate licenses.

They claim it is
"Brand New! Genuine from Microsoft! w/ TECH Support"

The only thing is it is an OEM version.

Microsoft does *not* provide any support for OEM licenses, and has
never done so. You now know that the seller is a liar. Do you still
wish to trust him/her with your money?

I've never bought an operating system by it's self without being
preinstalled before. Will this OEM version work for me? What are the
limitations on OEM versions?


There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral
hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC,
although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP)
and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.
An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is
to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support
for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive.
It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an
in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further,
such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device
drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels
necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed. To
be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market; but,
if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or computer
fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's too late.
The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft and sold
to small systems builders, don't have this particular problem, though,
and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart from
the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.

I am replacing my current XP Pro operating system with a new one because
I locked the system up by playing with the security policy.


That's no reason to have to purchase a new license. At the very worst,
you'd simply have to reinstall your current license.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

I want to purchase XP Pro w/ SP2 from someone on eBay. They claim it is
"Brand New! Genuine from Microsoft! w/ TECH Support"

The only thing is it is an OEM version.


Then it doesn't have tech support.

I would never choose to buy something lie this on eBay. You take a big
risk that you will either get nothing or you will get something
useless.

That's especially true in this case. When the seller claims it comes
with tech support, he's lying. You're dealing with a dishonest seller.
Who knows what else is wrong with it, if you even get it at all.

I've never bought an operating system by it's self without being
preinstalled before. Will this OEM version work for me?


Maybe. If it's a generic OEM version, and has never been used before,
it should work. But if it's one from a brand-name computer like Dell
or HP, it's almost certainly BIOS-linked to a particular motherboard
and won't work with yours.


What are the
limitations on OEM versions?


Although if you get a complete generic OEM version, it contains the
same software, it has the following disadvantages as compared with the
retail version:

1. Its license ties it permanently to the first computer it's
installed on. It can never legally be moved to another computer, sold,
or given away.

2. It can only do a clean installation, not an upgrade.

3. Microsoft provides no support for OEM versions. You can't call them
with a problem, but instead have to get any needed support from your
OEM; that support may range anywhere between good and non-existent. Or
you can get support elsewhere, such as in these newsgroups.
 
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DM

To be honest,

I bought this PC back in 02. It is an HP 360n Pavilion. I don't know what OS
came on it. I think I have the recovery disk. over the years, it got viruses
and spyware. A friend (super trained programmer), over a vacation, copied my
files and reformatted the machine and reloaded. I don't know if he loaded XP
pro from my recovery disk or if he imaged my PC with his XP pro.

Long story short, I became an additional duty Client Support Administrator
at work and applied similar settings to the security policy and other
settings (I.e. login message after Ctl/Alt/Del). Once I got things showing
up like I liked, I started looking at the rights and took rights away from
everyone except administrator, system, and my personal user. I think some of
the goofy looking users (long alpha numeric w/ @...) I took out were
important. Also, I took out power users and backup users groups. Now when I
start the computer and log in, it takes a minute or two to register and show
the desktop. The start/task bar never shows. Most programs dont run. Drag
and drop dont work and right click and send to dont work from transfering
files to an external disk to get them off the computer to my new computer.
The place to go and start running the background programs won't let me do
anything. The security policy won't let me, signed in as administrator,
grant permissions back to everyone and so on and so on.

Yea, dumb. I know but I learned what was what.
 
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DM

Thanks to all thus far.

If you haven't read my reply to Thecreater, please do. If you can provide
some tips to salvage my current PC please elaborate. Otherwise, would you
see any problem with my old computer getting wiped and having a vista
product loaded on to it if I cant find a copy of XP on the shelf next to
Vista in the store?
 
D

Daave

DM said:
If you haven't read my reply to Thecreater, please do.

That post was only twelve minutes before this one. This is Usenet, not
chat, so please be more patient!
Otherwise, would you see any problem with my old computer getting
wiped and having a vista product loaded on to it if I cant find a
copy of XP on the shelf next to Vista in the store?

If your PC is six years old, you shouldn't put Vista on it.
 
P

Patrick Keenan

DM said:
I want to purchase XP Pro w/ SP2 from someone on eBay. They claim it is
"Brand New! Genuine from Microsoft! w/ TECH Support"

The only thing is it is an OEM version.

In that case it doesn't come with Tech support, at least not from Microsoft.
MS does not offer support for OEM versions; that's part of why they are
cheaper.

I would be wary of the seller because that description is not accurate.
I've never bought an operating system by it's self without being
preinstalled before.

And now you see why having install media is necessary.
Will this OEM version work for me?

I've seen a number of stories where these eBay purchases turn out to be
impossible to activate.

Some OEM versions look for a BIOS signature, (i.e. Dell or HP) and if your
system does not have that, install will halt.
What are the limitations on OEM versions?

The limitations are no tech support from MS and the license is not
transferrable; when your machine fails, you can't move the license to
another system.

As noted, some are limited to installing on specific hardware
I am replacing my current XP Pro operating system with a new one because I
locked the system up by playing with the security policy. Yea, dumb but I
was learning and got carried away.

Thanks in advance!

You may not need to do this.

If you can get *any* XP boot CD and boot to the recovery console, or use a
Linux CD, or host the drive in another system, try adapting part of the
directions at the link below, to reset the system registry to its original
state, and then to a later one that doesn't have the policy change in
effect.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

HTH
-pk
 
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Patrick Keenan

DM said:
To be honest,

I bought this PC back in 02. It is an HP 360n Pavilion. I don't know what
OS came on it. I think I have the recovery disk. over the years, it got
viruses and spyware. A friend (super trained programmer), over a vacation,
copied my files and reformatted the machine and reloaded. I don't know if
he loaded XP pro from my recovery disk or if he imaged my PC with his XP
pro.

Long story short, I became an additional duty Client Support Administrator
at work and applied similar settings to the security policy and other
settings (I.e. login message after Ctl/Alt/Del). Once I got things showing
up like I liked, I started looking at the rights and took rights away from
everyone except administrator, system, and my personal user. I think some
of the goofy looking users (long alpha numeric w/ @...) I took out were
important. Also, I took out power users and backup users groups. Now when
I start the computer and log in, it takes a minute or two to register and
show the desktop. The start/task bar never shows. Most programs dont run.
Drag and drop dont work and right click and send to dont work from
transfering files to an external disk to get them off the computer to my
new computer. The place to go and start running the background programs
won't let me do anything. The security policy won't let me, signed in as
administrator, grant permissions back to everyone and so on and so on.

Yea, dumb. I know but I learned what was what.

Also, try this. Start the machine, attached to the network, and go to
another system on the same net. Right-click on My Computer, choose Manage.
Choose Action, connect to another computer. Enter the computer name, and
note the new name in brackets. You may now be able to alter the permissions
and the policies.

Alternately, remove the disk from your system, copy your data files off (or
make an image) to another system, put it back and run the recovery CD.
Copy your data back when done.

HTH
-pk
 
P

Patrick Keenan

DM said:
Thanks to all thus far.

If you haven't read my reply to Thecreater, please do. If you can provide
some tips to salvage my current PC please elaborate. Otherwise, would you
see any problem with my old computer getting wiped and having a vista
product loaded on to it if I cant find a copy of XP on the shelf next to
Vista in the store?

You apparently have a copy of XP, as your recovery disk. That is what you
should use if the other tactics don't work, after manually backing up the
data to another system. The easy and inexpensive way to do that is via
USB2 drive case.

As noted, your system is unlikely to be capable of running vista.

HTH
-pk
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Thanks to all thus far.

If you haven't read my reply to Thecreater, please do. If you can provide
some tips to salvage my current PC please elaborate. Otherwise, would you
see any problem with my old computer getting wiped and having a vista
product loaded on to it if I cant find a copy of XP on the shelf next to
Vista in the store?


In an earlier post you said you bought this computer in 2002. It is
*highly* unlikely that a six-year-old has a hardware configuration
suitable for Vista.

Unless you've done substantial upgrades to the computer over the
years, or are willing to do so now, don't consider running Vista on
it. In particular, be sure to have at least 2GB of RAM.

In fact, you should be aware that a six-year-old computer has hardly
any monetary value left in it. If it needs a new operating system,
this may be a good time to throw it away or give it away, and replace
it with a more modern computer that comes with an operating system.
 
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thecreator

Hi DM,

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareList?os=228&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=77410&lang=en

The above is for the Software Drivers for your computer.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2571830&CatId=672

Microsoft Windows XP Pro SP2 OEM Version for $139.00 from Tigerdirect.com

OEM, means that you need to install the product on a clean partition that contains no existing operating system.

Here is another place: http://www.royaldiscount.com/miwixpprosp21.html for $136.88

No upgrading from an existing operating system. However, you could set up a dual-boot computer with OEM operating systems.
 
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DM

Good afternoon guys!

Thanks again for the support.

Boot disk tells me I don't have sufficient permission. I also tried to do
the crossover with another machine and couldn't access it, however, I don't
have a USB crossover cable to try that way. Maybe I didn't fully know what I
was doing and skipped a few steps in regards to either the crossover or boot
disk.

In response to Ken Blake, I have bought a new system for day to day ops. I
am just trying to salvage this one to prevent having to either buy another
one for my son for school use or give up some surfin time to let him use
mine. Also, to get it fixed to brag how you all helped with mission
impossible 4 and the ole learning experience (tinker) for me.

Patrick Keenan, I've yet to dive into internal hardware. How do I remove the
drive to host it in another system? I strictly an applications guy. Give me
a program and I can figure it out by pushing buttons. Got to love Bill
Gates' Ctl/Z (undo) if you don't like what you get into! yea, that couldn't
work for what I did to my old machine and I knew that going into the areas I
went into.

So everyone, is it a lost cause?
 

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