OEM

[DM]

I posted the below in XP's help_and_support forum but I don't think that
forum is watched as much as this vista one is. The core question can be
answered as if I were doing this with a vista product.

--------original post-------------------

I want to purchase XP Pro w/ SP2 from someone on eBay. They claim it is
"Brand New! Genuine from Microsoft! w/ TECH Support"

The only thing is it is an OEM version.

I've never bought an operating system by it's self without being
preinstalled before. Will this OEM version work for me? What are the
limitations on OEM versions?

I am replacing my current XP Pro operating system with a new one because I
locked the system up by playing with the security policy. Yea, dumb but I
was learning and got carried away.

Thanks in advance!


Frank and Alias please remain calm with this one. You're having enough fun
with other posts. You know, I bet you're both either the same person or
programmers/gamers sitting across the room/town from one another just having
fun. You know there are more appropriate forums for you two with the
language you use. Give it a break for a few weeks, at least a day in between
each post. Hearing the same words over and over on multiple posts is getting
old. Like a couple of us mentioned yesterday, it's entertaining to have a
structured/level headed debate but it gets old once the profanity comes out
and you keep spinning your wheels. My thoughts and you MICROSOFT given
rights to be here.

 

[Mick Murphy]

The only Tech support with OEM is when you buy it pre-installed from someone
like Dell, etc; and THEY supply the support.

Mcrosoft does NOT supply Tech Support for OEM disks; and never has.

The diff between OEM and Retail is that OEM is tied to the one computer
until tht computer dies!

eBay is OK for some software; but not from private individuals.

Cllearly, the sale you mention is a lie!

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

DM

The differences between 'OEM' and 'retail' versions is that the OEM version
is locked to the first computer it is installed on and cannot be moved to
another computer. Microsoft does not provide 'official' technical support
for OEM versions, you can only get technical support from the seller of the
OEM version. OEM versions can be 'upgraded' with a Retail version, but
cannot be 'upgraded' with a diffferent OEM version.

If you intend to install this on just one system and are comfortable finding
support, such as these newsgroups, then by all means buy the OEM version. It
will save you a lot of money. Make sure that the seller is legitimate and
provides the 'Certificate of authenticity' (COA) sticker.

 

[Alias]

I posted the below in XP's help_and_support forum but I don't think that
forum is watched as much as this vista one is. The core question can be
answered as if I were doing this with a vista product.

--------original post-------------------

I want to purchase XP Pro w/ SP2 from someone on eBay. They claim it is
"Brand New! Genuine from Microsoft! w/ TECH Support"

The only thing is it is an OEM version.

I've never bought an operating system by it's self without being
preinstalled before. Will this OEM version work for me? What are the
limitations on OEM versions?

I am replacing my current XP Pro operating system with a new one because I
locked the system up by playing with the security policy. Yea, dumb but I
was learning and got carried away.

Thanks in advance!


Frank and Alias please remain calm with this one. You're having enough
fun with other posts. You know, I bet you're both either the same person
or programmers/gamers sitting across the room/town from one another just
having fun. You know there are more appropriate forums for you two with
the language you use. Give it a break for a few weeks, at least a day in
between each post. Hearing the same words over and over on multiple
posts is getting old. Like a couple of us mentioned yesterday, it's
entertaining to have a structured/level headed debate but it gets old
once the profanity comes out and you keep spinning your wheels. My
thoughts and you MICROSOFT given rights to be here.

The microsoft.public.windowsxp.general group is a good place to ask
questions about XP. Frank rarely stalks anyone there except me but
that's because he thinks I'm a sheep ;-) That said, I would be careful
about the seller of this OEM and would ask is it generic or branded. If
it's branded, it definitely won't work. If it's generic and the seller
has installed it, it's against the EULA for him or her to sell it unless
they also sell the computer.

Alias

 

[Mikep]

I'd hesitate to buy from someone that mis-represents what the OEM version
is. I would look at buying from newegg (or similar).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=xp+oem&x=20&y=38

M

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Never purchase software on eBay! It has been found that over
50% of the software offered for sale on auction web sites is
actually misrepresented, counterfeit and thus useless!

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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:

I posted the below in XP's help_and_support forum but I don't think that
forum is watched as much as this vista one is. The core question can be
answered as if I were doing this with a vista product.

--------original post-------------------

I want to purchase XP Pro w/ SP2 from someone on eBay. They claim it is
"Brand New! Genuine from Microsoft! w/ TECH Support"

The only thing is it is an OEM version.

I've never bought an operating system by it's self without being
preinstalled before. Will this OEM version work for me? What are the
limitations on OEM versions?

I am replacing my current XP Pro operating system with a new one because I
locked the system up by playing with the security policy. Yea, dumb but I
was learning and got carried away.

Thanks in advance!


Frank and Alias please remain calm with this one. You're having enough fun
with other posts. You know, I bet you're both either the same person or
programmers/gamers sitting across the room/town from one another just having
fun. You know there are more appropriate forums for you two with the
language you use. Give it a break for a few weeks, at least a day in between
each post. Hearing the same words over and over on multiple posts is getting
old. Like a couple of us mentioned yesterday, it's entertaining to have a
structured/level headed debate but it gets old once the profanity comes out
and you keep spinning your wheels. My thoughts and you MICROSOFT given
rights to be here.

 

[NoStop]

Never purchase software on eBay! It has been found that over
50% of the software offered for sale on auction web sites is
actually misrepresented, counterfeit and thus useless!

And just who found this out? What a bunch of FUD. How can anyone possibly
come up with this kind of statistic?

Cheers.

--
What does Bill Gates use?
http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

AlexB's abacus: http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg
The closest to "computing" that man should go.

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

 

[Slap]

Never purchase software on eBay! It has been found that over
50% of the software offered for sale on auction web sites is
actually misrepresented, counterfeit and thus useless!

Carey Frisch

So says Carey. I'm dave and say otherwise. My info is coming off the top
of my head. Carey, your info is coming from where? Keep in mind studies
can be misleading but we can make up our own mind on them.

There is feedback on the seller that one can read and decide if the software
is worth purchasing.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

In tests conducted by Microsoft of 115 copies of physical media purchased on eBay,
39 percent were found to be counterfeit, and another 12 percent contained software
that was either counterfeit or had been tampered with. Overall, the study found, the
chances of purchasing genuine, legally licensed Microsoft software on eBay is less than 50 percent.

Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/oct06/10-31AuctionEnforcementPR.mspx

IDC Research: http://www.idc.com/research/reshome.jsp

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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:

Never purchase software on eBay! It has been found that over
50% of the software offered for sale on auction web sites is
actually misrepresented, counterfeit and thus useless!

Carey Frisch

So says Carey. I'm dave and say otherwise. My info is coming off the top
of my head. Carey, your info is coming from where? Keep in mind studies
can be misleading but we can make up our own mind on them.

There is feedback on the seller that one can read and decide if the software
is worth purchasing.

 

[Bob F.]

In tests conducted by Microsoft of 115 copies of physical media purchased
on eBay,
39 percent were found to be counterfeit, and another 12 percent contained
software
that was either counterfeit or had been tampered with. Overall, the study
found, the
chances of purchasing genuine, legally licensed Microsoft software on eBay
is less than 50 percent.

Ref:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/oct06/10-31AuctionEnforcementPR.mspx

IDC Research: http://www.idc.com/research/reshome.jsp

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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:




So says Carey. I'm dave and say otherwise. My info is coming off the top
of my head. Carey, your info is coming from where? Keep in mind studies
can be misleading but we can make up our own mind on them.

There is feedback on the seller that one can read and decide if the
software
is worth purchasing.

This is a FUD campaign. E-bay is a buyer beware operation. The attraction
is for good buys. You must use the system features to your benefit to
reduce the odds of getting burnt. I bought at least 20 copies of XP
upgrades and never had a bad transaction. You have to be careful. If you
don't know the system, then and only then I would not recommend dealing.

 

[Alias]

In tests conducted by Microsoft

Enough said, the tests are invalid as are most of Carey's posts.

Alias

 

[Frank]

Enough said, the tests are invalid as are most of Carey's posts.

Alias

Yeah, right...here we have our resident lying linux troll saying that
test conducted by MS and posted by Carey are invalid.
Your hatred for MS knows no boundaries does it?
Frank

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

And just who found this out? What a bunch of FUD. How can anyone possibly
come up with this kind of statistic?

Cheers.

It's called "user experience".

I guarantee you that those who work in IT never purchase anything from
eBay.

Carey is right. NEVER purchase software on eBay!!! It's a good way
to waste your time and money.

Of course, pirates LOVE eBay, since they can actually sell their
pirated goods for a higher price than the Russians or Chinese.


--
Donald L McDaniel

How can so many otherwise very intelligent people screw up
something so simple so badly? If you stick a computer
keyboard in front of most people, they'll suddenly drop
30 points off their IQs. Much like placing a "Pork Barrel"
bill in front of a politician: He'll forget all about
"cooperation" the minute he counts the zeroes before the
decimal point.

 

[DM]

Many thanks to all. I have come to the conclusion that, as an amateur, I
will not purchase any OEM products; especially from eBay.

Also, I was once told that over 60% of all statistics are inaccurate. Figure
that one out!

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

This is a FUD campaign. E-bay is a buyer beware operation. The attraction
is for good buys. You must use the system features to your benefit to
reduce the odds of getting burnt. I bought at least 20 copies of XP
upgrades and never had a bad transaction. You have to be careful. If you
don't know the system, then and only then I would not recommend dealing.

Amazon, on the other hand, guarantees the genuineness of the sales of
many software items from third-parties, including Microsoft.

"F.U.D." stands for "Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt". Even eBay uses
this when they say "Buyer beware!"

Of course, some will love eBay, and some will love Microsoft.
Personally, I am of the opinion that few buyers who go to eBay know
what they are getting into.

Microsoft's campaign should properly be defined as a "Trust,
Certainty, and Faith" campaign, since that is what they offer their
customers when they publish such studies.


--
Donald L McDaniel

How can so many otherwise very intelligent people screw up
something so simple so badly? If you stick a computer
keyboard in front of most people, they'll suddenly drop
30 points off their IQs. Much like placing a "Pork Barrel"
bill in front of a politician: He'll forget all about
"cooperation" the minute he counts the zeroes before the
decimal point.

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

Enough said, the tests are invalid as are most of Carey's posts.

Alias

So, such tests are always invalid when published by Microsoft? That
is the implication you are trying to get over here.

"alias", why are you such an ignorant man/woman/whatever? Come on,
buddy: I thought you had more on the ball logic-wise than that.

You can't make the results go away by simply SAYING the results are
invalid because they were commissioned by Microsoft. You know this,
and I know it. You have to PROVE your statements.

But there is more than enough testimony by folks who have only been
BURNT on eBay to prove the results

Thank God that I've never made that mistake before, nor do I plan on
it. If I can't afford what I want from a legitimate seller, I am not
the type to try to get it from an illegitimate seller. In which case,
I prefer to WAIT till I can afford it, then purchase it from a
legitimate seller.


--
Donald L McDaniel

How can so many otherwise very intelligent people screw up
something so simple so badly? If you stick a computer
keyboard in front of most people, they'll suddenly drop
30 points off their IQs. Much like placing a "Pork Barrel"
bill in front of a politician: He'll forget all about
"cooperation" the minute he counts the zeroes before the
decimal point.

 

[Alias]

So, such tests are always invalid when published by Microsoft? That
is the implication you are trying to get over here.

MS doesn't want you to buy used copies of Windows. They want you to buy
Windows from them.

Snip drivel.

Alias

 

[DM]

I have been thinking of this issue for a while. Not only for Microsoft but
for any software.

Any hardware, appliance, DVD, cd, vhs, furniture, house, car, etc. we can
buy/sell/trade to anyone but not software. Why is it that most digital
products with licenses cant be yard saled away like ma's old sewing machine?
What happened to the 9/10 rule? My car has a title, license if you will, and
I can sell it to anyone. My autographed babe ruth card has a certificate of
authenticity, license if you will, and I can sell it.

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Many thanks to all. I have come to the conclusion that, as an amateur, I
will not purchase any OEM products; especially from eBay.

Also, I was once told that over 60% of all statistics are inaccurate.
Figure that one out!

DM

I heard that it's more like 90%.

Of course, that depends on who funded the study, who published the study,
and who quoted the study. )

 

[Bob F.]

I have been thinking of this issue for a while. Not only for Microsoft but
for any software.

Any hardware, appliance, DVD, cd, vhs, furniture, house, car, etc. we can
buy/sell/trade to anyone but not software. Why is it that most digital
products with licenses cant be yard saled away like ma's old sewing
machine? What happened to the 9/10 rule? My car has a title, license if
you will, and I can sell it to anyone. My autographed babe ruth card has a
certificate of authenticity, license if you will, and I can sell it.

What you are dealing with is a contract manifesting itself in the form of a
license. When you negotiate a contract and accept it, you agree to the
terms. Implied in the terms are that they are legal...that's all. You can
put anything you want in the terms. Some terms allow for you to sell and
transfer the license. If there is a specific clause in the contract and you
consumate it, you then must comply. It's that simple. IOW if you don't
like the terms, walk away.