XP Pro (Gold?) and SP3

[Bob I]

Please read the attached link, as it states what MUST be installed first.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx

Please note the word is "can" and not "must"; "can" means it is possible to
do it while "must" meant one have to do it as it is required..

The semantics is that it is possible to install sp3 on a system with sp1 or sp2;
the lines quoteded doesn't say that one MUST install with sp1 or sp2 already
installed. There is nothing that say installing onto "gold" cannot be done
successfully.

Quite problable that it was instigated by lawyers to be deliberately vague
so m$ claim different interpretations.

["Followup-To:" header set to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.]

From the Overview of Windows XP SP3 deployment section (in its entirety):

"Deploying Windows XP SP3
Windows XP SP3 will be available through Windows Update and the Microsoft
Download Center. The service
pack will also be available to Volume License customers, TechNet
subscribers, and MSDN® subscribers.
Through Windows Update, the download size varies, but it is typically 70
megabytes (MB), depending on the
computer's configuration. Through the Download Center, the download size is
approximately 580 MB.
Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1and
SP2 for Windows XP:
? SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 or
SP2.
? Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its
initial release.
? You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1 or
SP2. For example, you can
run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media Center
Edition with SP1. The
exceptions are Embedded editions for XP.
? Tools and guidance for system administrators have not fundamentally
changed from Windows XP SP2.
For comprehensive information, visit the Deploy Windows XP Professionaland
Windows XP Service
Pack 2 Deployment Information sites on Microsoft TechNet.
? You can deploy SP3 using Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003,
Microsoft System Center
Configuration Manager 2007, or third-party solutions. The process has not
fundamentally changed.
Windows XP SP3 is for x86 editions of Windows XP only. The x64 editionsof
Windows XP were serviced by
Windows Server 2003 SP2. For additional information, go to Windows Server
2003 Service Pack 2."

Do you see anything that says that users can install SP3 on anything before
SP1 or run the update package on anything before SP1?

Is there something wrong with YOUR reading comprehension, Frank?




Both of you must have learned reading comprehension from the USA public
school system.

 

[Bob I]

Perhaps you should learn a bit before you make bogus assertions.
Especially since XP "gold" is unsupported operating system since 2004.
Your status has been corrected to "ignorant" troll.

m$ definitely LIED if the "requirement" for installation is the min of sp1.
sp3 is NOT cumlative & doesn't make up for sp1/sp2 does.

Please read the attached link, as it states what MUST be installed first.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx

student wrote:

Please note the word is "can" and not "must"; "can" means it is possible to
do it while "must" meant one have to do it as it is required..

The semantics is that it is possible to install sp3 on a system with sp1 or sp2;
the lines quoteded doesn't say that one MUST install with sp1 or sp2 already
installed. There is nothing that say installing onto "gold" cannot bedone
successfully.

Quite problable that it was instigated by lawyers to be deliberately vague
so m$ claim different interpretations.

["Followup-To:" header set to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.]

From the Overview of Windows XP SP3 deployment section (in its entirety):

"Deploying Windows XP SP3
Windows XP SP3 will be available through Windows Update and the Microsoft
Download Center. The service
pack will also be available to Volume License customers, TechNet
subscribers, and MSDN® subscribers.
Through Windows Update, the download size varies, but it is typically70
megabytes (MB), depending on the
computer's configuration. Through the Download Center, the download size is
approximately 580 MB.
Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying SP1 and
SP2 for Windows XP:
? SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XP SP1 or
SP2.
? Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its
initial release.
? You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1or
SP2. For example, you can
run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP MediaCenter
Edition with SP1. The
exceptions are Embedded editions for XP.
? Tools and guidance for system administrators have not fundamentally
changed from Windows XP SP2.
For comprehensive information, visit the Deploy Windows XP Professional and
Windows XP Service
Pack 2 Deployment Information sites on Microsoft TechNet.
? You can deploy SP3 using Microsoft Systems Management Server 2003,
Microsoft System Center
Configuration Manager 2007, or third-party solutions. The process hasnot
fundamentally changed.
Windows XP SP3 is for x86 editions of Windows XP only. The x64 editions of
Windows XP were serviced by
Windows Server 2003 SP2. For additional information, go to Windows Server
2003 Service Pack 2."

Do you see anything that says that users can install SP3 on anything before
SP1 or run the update package on anything before SP1?

Is there something wrong with YOUR reading comprehension, Frank?




Big Al wrote:



Bob I wrote:



Frank-FL wrote:






ClueLess wrote:



Hi All

I see many posts stating that SP3 can be installed only after
applying
either SP1 or SP2

I have already successfully slipstreamed SP3 on XP-SP2 and madea
fresh install which went smoothly, no problems.

Today I tried with my original XP Pro (Retail) and the slipstreaming
with nLite went without any warning or hitch. That means, AFAICS,
update.exe did not check whether XP was with either SP1 or SP2.

Since I have no spare hard disk I did not try to install it andsee
if
there is a problem.

Having slipstreamed I believe there should be no problem. I will get
a
new hard disk and install this weekend and come back.

Meantime if anyone has more information please respond.


http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/cc164204.aspx
This article says you have to have SP1 at least. And oddly it
recommends SP2 installed. But that now runs totally against the
grain of logic (to me at least).

But I'd sure like to see it in more plain English like you said.



This page says different.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...0BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en#filelist



BUT, if you actually read the contents of one the files at the link
you posted, it says:

Fundamentally, deploying Windows XP SP3 works the same as deploying
SP1 and SP2 for Windows XP:
- SP3 is cumulative, so users can install SP3 on top of Windows XPSP1
or SP2.
- Windows XP SP3 supports the same languages as Windows XP did in its
initial release.
- You can run the SP3 update package on any edition of Windows XP SP1
or SP2. For example, you can
run the SP3 update package on a computer running the Windows XP Media
Center Edition with SP1. The
exceptions are Embedded editions for XP wh
Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3.


And the key words are "on top of Windows XP SP1 or SP2".
Not on top of XP.

Correctamundo!!!

Both of you must have learned reading comprehension from the USA public
school system.

 

[WMB]

Correct. The blocker is programmed into the herald file that starts the
download of the main SP3 file on Windows Update. The standalone does not
contain the herald file and so does display a blocker.

Further, nLite works just fine. It does not know that it is creating a cd
that will install a defective OS. It just does what you tell it too.

The problems do not appear until you use the slipstreamed cd to install
the OS or repair it.

So don't use XP Gold to create an integrated XP SP3 cd. Just don't. The
SP1 and SP2 installers made certain changes to XP Gold kernel files quite
apart from any updates before or since. However, these changes are NOT
done by the SP3 installer. That means critical changes aren't made to XP
Gold at the time SP3 is applied that are made if you upgrade XP Gold to
SP1 or SP2 and then use that as a base for slipstreaming with SP3.

I have no idea why MS did not provide for that in SP3 but they did say
that they did not during the SP3 beta program and said not to use XP Gold
for slipsteaming. I suppose it could have something to do with changes to
XP's servicing stack back around SP1 but I am just speculating.

Unfortunately, the SP3 beta newsgroups are no longer on the betanews
servers so I cannot go back and capture the quotes for you.

Hi, I have asked approximately the same question at: From: "WMB"
<[email protected]>
Subject: System File Checker(sfc) & SP3
Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008 1:00 AM

with the particulars of my situation, but haven't received any replies yet.

Try running sfc /scannow if XP is not being pointed to your hard drive and
see what disk you will be asked to provide. On my computer it asked for my
original disk before SP1 or SP2.