XP Activation

[Leythos]

You're a techie. Sorry, but you don't count. I am talking about people like
myself that are not techies. Besides, what about all that software I paid
for that's sitting on my shelf that I won't be able to use with FC3?

You said MS has a monopoly, you didn't say what about all my already
purchased software.

Does your software run on a MAC - NO, does it run on Linux, some of it
may (MS Office does), does it run on any other OS - most likely not.

A monopoly means that you don't have any viable options, and wanting to
keep your old software doesn't have anything to do with being a monopoly
or not, that's your choice.

A few years ago, even two, I would have agree with you, that there were
no reasonable alternatives to Windows, not even the MAC, but in 2005
there are several easy to use alternatives that clearly provide
solutions that MS provides with their OS.

Stay on focus - Monopoly is not something MS has any more, it's just a
choice.

 

[Leythos]

Again, name me one good thing that activation provides the paying customer
that a pirated XP can't give him for less money and far less hassle. One.

Pirated XP may not be supported without proper activation in the future.
Pirated XP may get the user prosecuted at some point.
Pirated XP is not entitled to support or upgrades under any MS terms.
Pirated XP may contain malicious code inserted by the distributor.

 

[NoStop]

You're a techie. Sorry, but you don't count. I am talking about people
like myself that are not techies.

Mentally challenged is a better description of yourself then "not techies".
Today's mature Linux distros don't require one be a techie to install or
use. In fact, installing something like Mandrake (Mandriva it's now called)
is far easier than installing XP. If you're so mentally challenged that
you're unable to boot from a CD, I guess it would be beyond you. But having
the ability to boot from a CD doesn't require a "techie" status. But maybe
more brains than a chicken has.

Besides, what about all that software I
paid for that's sitting on my shelf that I won't be able to use with FC3?

Like? Many Windoze apps can be run under FC3 using Wine. And for those apps
that cannot, there are probably better Linux apps available anyways and
they're free. So you wouldn't be out of pocket at all if you made the
switch.

Find a listing of Windoze alternatives here ...

http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html

Find what Windoze apps presently run under Wine here ...

http://winehq.org/

 

[Alias]

You said MS has a monopoly, you didn't say what about all my already
purchased software.

Does your software run on a MAC - NO, does it run on Linux, some of it
may (MS Office does), does it run on any other OS - most likely not.

A monopoly means that you don't have any viable options, and wanting to
keep your old software doesn't have anything to do with being a monopoly
or not, that's your choice.

A few years ago, even two, I would have agree with you, that there were
no reasonable alternatives to Windows, not even the MAC, but in 2005
there are several easy to use alternatives that clearly provide
solutions that MS provides with their OS.

Stay on focus - Monopoly is not something MS has any more, it's just a
choice.

It's a choice only for techies that can install and use Linux. Most people
are not techies. Ergo, de facto monopoly.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Pirated XP may not be supported without proper activation in the future.

"may" What do you mean by "supported"?

Pirated XP may get the user prosecuted at some point.
Horsepucky.

Pirated XP is not entitled to support or upgrades under any MS terms.

Horsepucky. I know people who have gotten upgrades for their pirated XPs so
you were saying? Nobody buys retails XPs in Spain so your support is just
more horsepucky.

Pirated XP may contain malicious code inserted by the distributor.

"may".

LOL!

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

I have 8 systems running FC3 (linux) and doing normal business work,
not much of a Monoploy if you ask me.

No you are a fool running a business on a development OS!

[snip]

Again, name me one good thing activation provides the paying
customer.

An attempt to keep costs lower for purchasers by trying to keep more
revenue in-bound.

LOL! MS never promised to lower prices due to PA. The piracy rate had
been in decline prior to PA in Win XP, yet MS has yet to lower it price
for it's OSs!

As for reducing the cost for MS, Bah Humbug! Development costs of PA
and the running of PA Phone activation Centers around the world only
adds to MS costs!

Show a tangible good thing for the consumer.

If activation was not used, it would be pirated
without any concern by more people that it currently is, which would
reduce the income stream, which would increase product costs.

Bah Humbug! Most people buy their computers from major OEMs with an MS
OS preinstalled. I doubt PA adds adds anything to MS's Income Stream,
especially when you consider the added cost of developing and running
its PA infrastructure!

If I were a stockholder I'd be very concern about that.

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Peace!
Kurt
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[kurttrail]

Tit for tat. It matters not what I put forward, as you simply discount
it. So you HAVE NO argument because you elect not to CHOOSE from the
available options.

No you gave a good for the manufacturer as a good for the customer.
Your tit has run dry.

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[Vic Dura]

We used to have a piece of software (and this was 5 years ago) where the
installation process involved semi-installing it, phoning up, dictating
a 16 digit activation code down the phone, typing in the new 25 digit
code they gave you - and if you wanted to move it to another machine you
had to get an de-activation code the same way otherwise they wouldn't
let you have a new activation code: give me XP activation any day!

Just curious. Is that company still in business?

 

[kurttrail]

Pirated XP may not be supported without proper activation in the
future.

And that is a bad for computer users everywhere by increasing the number
of Zombie machines clogging up the internet with spam and viruses!

Pirated XP may get the user prosecuted at some point.

LOL! What is pirated? Installing software on more than one computer
has yet to be legally proven to be PIRATED!

And people that are actually distributing pirated software to others
SHOULD be prosecuted! That is the best deterent to REAL PIRACY! I say
bring all illegal distributors of pirated software to justice!

Pirated XP is not entitled to support or upgrades under any MS terms.

Just repeated your first sentence in other words.

Pirated XP may contain malicious code inserted by the distributor.

None of that is better for the customer than an OS without PA.

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Kurt
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[Bob I]

I support NO ONE. Actually YOU are the MS toady because you CHOOSE to
USE it despite the alternatives. I told you and you dismissed it. YOU
CHOOSE TO BE A SHEEP. Your choice. You MADE it, you LIVE with it. As
LONG as you insist on whining about it, you will continue to be reminded
that you CHOSE to use it. Question is when will you choose an
alternative? Obviously the since YOU claim the alternatives are
unreasonable, then you find WindowsXP w/activation to be a reasonable
alternative. Period. End of discussion.

 

[kurttrail]

Just curious. Is that company still in business?

Actually, they probably are. Many specialty software solutions for
small businesses have such PITA built in.

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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[kurttrail]

I support NO ONE. Actually YOU are the MS toady because you CHOOSE to
USE it despite the alternatives. I told you and you dismissed it. YOU
CHOOSE TO BE A SHEEP. Your choice. You MADE it, you LIVE with it. As
LONG as you insist on whining about it, you will continue to be
reminded that you CHOSE to use it. Question is when will you choose an
alternative? Obviously the since YOU claim the alternatives are
unreasonable, then you find WindowsXP w/activation to be a reasonable
alternative. Period. End of discussion.

And how do you know that he hasn't bypassed PA in some manner? Linux is
not a viable alternative for most users yet. This is not a dissing of
Linux, just my opinion. OSX will not run on any but MAC hardware, and
even with their moving to an Intel chipset, Apple announce that they
will keep it so the their OS will only run on MAC hardware.

So the basic choice you say people of is running a MS OS or not using
their computers and software. Not much of a real choice. But you know
all this Bob, but you purposely ignore it like you ignore the fact that
PA does absolutely no good for the paying customer.

You are in total denial, and it is plain for any rational thinker to
see.

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Kurt
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Alias]

I support NO ONE. Actually YOU are the MS toady because you CHOOSE to USE
it despite the alternatives. I told you and you dismissed it. YOU CHOOSE TO
BE A SHEEP. Your choice. You MADE it, you LIVE with it. As LONG as you
insist on whining about it, you will continue to be reminded that you CHOSE
to use it. Question is when will you choose an alternative? Obviously the
since YOU claim the alternatives are unreasonable, then you find WindowsXP
w/activation to be a reasonable alternative. Period. End of discussion.

Straw argument. Please don't insult my intelligence.

Alias