XP Activation

[kurttrail]

No one said XP cd's were. As I mentioned SOME companies DO copy
protect the CD's. Software copy protection schemes have been going on
for 20+ years and take many forms.

Yeah, but in mainstream consumer software copy-protection is a 21st
Century happening.

The copy-protected software that has been so for 20+ years, is software
99.9% of home computer users will ever use on their home systems. Why
didn't you mention that, I wonder?

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[NoStop]

Right, because it's not in my budget and I already have three PCs. If
Apple comes up with an OS that will run on my machine, I might consider
it.

I doubt you'd be capable of learning how to run an Apple operating system
after listening to you whine and seeing how obviously lazy you are.

Yes, I choose to do something else with my time than learn an OS that
won't run the paid for software sitting on my shelves.

Why worry about your paid for software when you can easily replace it with
better software that doesn't cost anything? You're an idiot.

You

You're confusing a movie theater with a disco. A ticket stub, yaknow -- a
receipt -- is all you need or should need. I have receipts of what I have
bought. If MS wants to see them, they can get a court order and I will be
happy to show them to them. Beyond that is called an "intrusion of
privacy".

Whine, whine .. woof, woof.

Alias

Is this an "Alias" for your buddy Kurttrail? You know the guy. The one
you're always agreeing with and supporting in his rants.

 

[NoStop]

I choose to afford a Mac but I don't got the funds to pay for it, but I
already own a computer, what is my choice.

How could you possibly have the funds to purchase anything when you spend
all your time trolling this newsgroup and spewing out your shit?

My computer won't run with linux, and even if it does, it runs at a very
reduced functionality, and won't run any of the software I have bought
over the years, what is my choice?

It doesn't do a damn thing on your computer because you're not bright enough
to even figure out how to install it. And what software that you "bought
over the years" are you so dependent on and just have to continue using?
More b.s. from the troll.

Not where I live.

Yeh, well maybe not in the peep shows you frequent.

I give the ticket to the doorman, and that is the last I see or hear
about it.

Until they kick you out of the theater because of the rude behaviour you
exhibit? You can jerk off on Usenet, but it is frowned upon in real public
places like movie theaters.

 

[kurttrail]

How could you possibly have the funds to purchase anything when you spend
all your time trolling this newsgroup and spewing out your shit?

LOL! Obviously a lot of your time is spent sedated, if you think I spend
much time replying here. Most replies take a minute, or less.

It doesn't do a damn thing on your computer because you're not bright enough
to even figure out how to install it. And what software that you "bought
over the years" are you so dependent on and just have to continue using?
More b.s. from the troll.

ROFL! You are such a loon! Even the Live CDs take a crapped on my
computer. Even when running them with reduced hardware detection. I
would doubt that Linus would be able to install Linux on my computer with
making a special build, or ripping out most of the hardware.

And just because Linux won't install on my computer doesn't mean I am not
bright enough to install it on any computer. I could prove it to you, but
why bother?! I feel no need to prove anything to the likes of you.

Yeh, well maybe not in the peep shows you frequent.

LOL! I went to one peep show over a couple decades ago in my entire life.

Until they kick you out of the theater because of the rude behaviour you
exhibit? You can jerk off on Usenet, but it is frowned upon in real
public places like movie theaters.

Never was kicked out of a theatre.

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[andy smart]

Guess it boils down to the software publisher protecting their interests
in the manner they chose. For instance some companies won't even bother
with the phone method, but make you return your software discs, code AND
a handling fee to get a new code for the software to be used. Oh and the
CD's are copy protected too. This has been going on for 20 years,
nothing new, nothing different. If anything, I expect that the
"authentication" will only get fine tuned,but it won't go away.

We used to have a piece of software (and this was 5 years ago) where the
installation process involved semi-installing it, phoning up, dictating
a 16 digit activation code down the phone, typing in the new 25 digit
code they gave you - and if you wanted to move it to another machine you
had to get an de-activation code the same way otherwise they wouldn't
let you have a new activation code: give me XP activation any day!

 

[Alias]

We used to have a piece of software (and this was 5 years ago) where the
installation process involved semi-installing it, phoning up, dictating
a 16 digit activation code down the phone, typing in the new 25 digit
code they gave you - and if you wanted to move it to another machine you
had to get an de-activation code the same way otherwise they wouldn't
let you have a new activation code: give me XP activation any day!

Just because something is worse, doesn't make activation good. Name me one
good thing activation provides the paying customer.

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

Just because something is worse, doesn't make activation good. Name
me one good thing activation provides the paying customer.

Alias

Reduces the price of software? No, it hasn't done that. In a way you
are payng for piracy twice with PA. Once in the price of the product,
and a second time in the time spent dealing with PA.

Increases the reliability of software? Nope!

All PA does is add another layer, of basically useless code, that can go
wrong with the OS, but unlike Windows Messenger for example, when PA
goes south, it takes the rest of the OS with it!

What was your question again, Alias? Oh yeah, "Name me one good thing
activation provides the paying customer."

Well for those that like being hassled by PA problems and wasting their
time dealing with PA, I suppose those masochists love what PA does for
them. For the rest of us, that didn't get off when their mommies
spanked them as a kid, their is absolutely no benefit whatsoever as a
result of PA, or ANY copy-protection scheme for the paying customer.

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[andy smart]

Just because something is worse, doesn't make activation good. Name me one
good thing activation provides the paying customer.

Alias

Nothing, but that's not what it's for is it?

 

[Bob I]

It allows said customer to use the software in accordance with the
agreement provided in the EULA. You keep forgetting the operating system
is provided by the manufacturer who determines the final product
specifications. The customer is free to determine whether or not that
product is suitable for their use and purchase it or not. End of story.
Yell all you want, but if no customers, product dies. Simple as that.

 

[Alias]

It allows said customer to use the software in accordance with the
agreement provided in the EULA.

Activation is not necessary for that. Validation is not necessary for that.
All it does is inconvenience the paying customer. It does not stop piracy.
It does not stop casual copying. ALL it does is inconvenience the paying
customer.

You keep forgetting the operating system is provided by the manufacturer
who determines the final product specifications.

You keep forgeting that Windows is a monopoly.

The customer is free to determine whether or not that product is suitable
for their use and purchase it or not.

No, he or she isn't.

End of story.

LOL! For you, maybe.

Yell all you want, but if no customers, product dies. Simple as that.

Any company that doesn't listen to paying customer's complaints will
eventually lose their customers except, of course, idiots like you that when
MS says, "Jump!", you say "How high?"

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

Nothing, but that's not what it's for is it?

LOL! Nope that is not what it is for, it is for the benefit of Big
Brother. And all copy-protection
is for the corporate copyright elite, not its customers.

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[kurttrail]

It allows said customer to use the software in accordance with the
agreement provided in the EULA.

What a toady you are! That is no benefit to the customer at all.

You keep forgetting the operating
system is provided by the manufacturer who determines the final
product specifications.

And you didn't answer Alias. "Name me one good thing activation
provides the paying customer."

The customer is free to determine whether or
not that product is suitable for their use and purchase it or not.
End of story. Yell all you want, but if no customers, product dies.
Simple as that.

Unless the company is a proven monopoly but was given an overly
favorable settlement.

Nothing is simple, except your brain.

But back to the topic. Name a benefit of PA for the PAYING CUSTOMER,
not for your beloved Microsoft, FOOL!

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[Bob I]

Bottom line is that you keep ranting but buy anyway, boils down to no
spine in my book. Your arguments are vapor because you "believe what you
want to believe". If activation bugs you that bad, DON'T BUY IT. Not an
issue with me, I buy what I want to use, and don't buy that which I
don't.

 

[Alias]

Bottom line is that you keep ranting but buy anyway, boils down to no
spine in my book. Your arguments are vapor because you "believe what you
want to believe". If activation bugs you that bad, DON'T BUY IT. Not an
issue with me, I buy what I want to use, and don't buy that which I don't.

No, I don't have a choice, which is my point! I have three computers. Are
you suggesting I trash them and buy three MACs!? MS has a monopoly on PCs.
Period. If I want to use a computer, I *have* to buy Windows.

Oh, and can you stick to the issues and stop using ad hominem attacks? Ad
hominem attacks are very amateurish.

Again, name me one good thing activation provides the paying customer.

Alias

 

[NoStop]

What a toady you are! That is no benefit to the customer at all.

What a moronic p.o.s. you can be! Since when does an EULA written by one
side - the corporation letting you use the software - have to benefit the
customer? It's written to benefit the corporation. Even a bag full of
hammers would figure that one out. You don't find a "benefit" in using
software under the terms of their EULA, then just don't agree with the EULA
and don't use it. It's that f*cking simple.

And you didn't answer Alias. "Name me one good thing activation
provides the paying customer."

Answer Alias? Your lap dog?

It provides absolutely NO benefit to the paying customer. And why the hell
should it? You sure live in a dream world. Wake up, grow up and smell the
coffee. You come off sounding dumber by every post you make on this
subject.

Unless the company is a proven monopoly but was given an overly
favorable settlement.

Whine, whine. Now go to your room and grow up. When you've done that, figure
out how to use another OS that doesn't require the type of EULA you're
always whining about.

Nothing is simple, except your brain.

I think anyone with any sense has figured out that it is YOUR brain that is
simple.

But back to the topic. Name a benefit of PA for the PAYING CUSTOMER,
not for your beloved Microsoft, FOOL!

There is no benefit to the paying customer. Don't you understand that? And
more importantly, you haven't yet figured out that there is no reason for
there to be. The software BELONGS to MickeyMouse. They sell it to make
money so Bill Gate$'s personal wealth can continue to rise by $10 million
per day. You can't possibly think that he's in it for YOUR benefit. If you
do, you're even more intellectually challenged than I originally thought
you were.

 

[Leythos]

No, I don't have a choice, which is my point! I have three computers. Are
you suggesting I trash them and buy three MACs!? MS has a monopoly on PCs.
Period. If I want to use a computer, I *have* to buy Windows.

I have 8 systems running FC3 (linux) and doing normal business work, not
much of a Monoploy if you ask me.

[snip]

Again, name me one good thing activation provides the paying customer.

An attempt to keep costs lower for purchasers by trying to keep more
revenue in-bound. If activation was not used, it would be pirated
without any concern by more people that it currently is, which would
reduce the income stream, which would increase product costs.

 

[NoStop]

Activation is not necessary for that. Validation is not necessary for
that. All it does is inconvenience the paying customer. It does not stop
piracy. It does not stop casual copying. ALL it does is inconvenience the
paying customer.

So? And your point is?

You keep forgeting that Windows is a monopoly.

Only for those like you too dumb to find an alternative. Many of us have and
can care less about your so-called monopoly.

No, he or she isn't.

Not if he or she is as intellectually challenged as you and kurttrail. For
most other people who have gotten sick and tired of MickeyMouse's
"monopoly", we've found an alternative. Sure it might take a bit of effort
to re-think how one uses ones computer, but it isn't that difficult and
proved to many of us to be a better solution anyways.

Ever heard the true story about how dumb chickens are and how easy it is to
confuse them? It works like this ... take a chicken and draw a line on the
ground in front of them. They completely focus on that line and essentially
freeze - unable to move. It is really a funny and silly thing to watch. It
makes one really appreciate what dumb creatures chickens are.

Well, you and your buddy Kurttail remind me of these chickens. You guys draw
this line in the sand and stupify yourselves into inaction. You hate
MickeyMouse's EULA, constantly bash MickeyMouse over it, but are frozen and
unable to dump it and move on to an alternative. You're unable to move out
of your self-imposed box too mesmerized by the f*cking line you've drawn in
front of your noses.

Chickens may have an excuse. You guys don't and that is why your drivel
around here is so idiotic and juvenile.

LOL! For you, maybe.

For most everyone but a couple of whining snivelling idiots that frequent
this newsgroup and are too dumb to find their way out of the swamp they
have chosen to sit in.

Any company that doesn't listen to paying customer's complaints will
eventually lose their customers except, of course, idiots like you that
when MS says, "Jump!", you say "How high?"

Then leave for f*cks sake! You got complaints against MickeyMouse's EULA,
then don't agree to it, dump this p.o.s OS and find an alternative instead
of whining and continuing to Jump! to MickeyMouse's "monopoly". What a
child!

 

[Alias]

I have 8 systems running FC3 (linux) and doing normal business work, not
much of a Monoploy if you ask me.

You're a techie. Sorry, but you don't count. I am talking about people like
myself that are not techies. Besides, what about all that software I paid
for that's sitting on my shelf that I won't be able to use with FC3?

[snip]

Again, name me one good thing activation provides the paying customer.

An attempt to keep costs lower for purchasers by trying to keep more
revenue in-bound.

Is this a joke? What about all the costs involved in designing and
implementing PA and Validation? I know that the good folks in India work for
slave wages, but they aren't free.

If activation was not used, it would be pirated
without any concern by more people that it currently is, which would
reduce the income stream, which would increase product costs.

It's pirated *anyway*. It *only* affects paying customers, most of which
don't know the difference between a generic OEM, a bundled with bullsh*t OEM
or a retail copy. I went to an Internet cafe the other day and they had 20
computers with pirated XPs on them, all of them! The owner of the cafe
didn't even know what activation is!

Alias

 

[Bob I]

Tit for tat. It matters not what I put forward, as you simply discount
it. So you HAVE NO argument because you elect not to CHOOSE from the
available options.

 

[Alias]

Tit for tat. It matters not what I put forward, as you simply discount it.
So you HAVE NO argument because you elect not to CHOOSE from the available
options.

There are only two options: buy a bonafide copy of XP and activate it or
buy/get for free a pirated version and not worry about activating it. All
other options are not reasonable and MS knows and takes full advantage of
this fact. Your supporting them makes you an MS toady.

Again, name me one good thing that activation provides the paying customer
that a pirated XP can't give him for less money and far less hassle. One.

Alias