X1600 Pro VS 9700 Pro

[Mike B]

I have an old athlon system with a 9700 Pro, and i believe a 7800 GS would
probably be held back by my cpu. How much faster would an X1600 Pro(512) be
than my 9700 Pro?

400mhz mobo
3200+(2.2ghz)
1gig ocz
9700 Pro stock

I know newer games like FEAR, COD2 and Obliviion will bring an X1600 to it's
knees, but i'd like to atleast be able to play these games at max textures
and detail with 2x AA at 1024x768, atleast 30 FPS. Can an x1600 Pro with 512
do this with said games?

 

[Monkee]

I have an old athlon system with a 9700 Pro, and i believe a 7800 GS would
probably be held back by my cpu. How much faster would an X1600 Pro(512) be
than my 9700 Pro?

400mhz mobo
3200+(2.2ghz)
1gig ocz
9700 Pro stock

I know newer games like FEAR, COD2 and Obliviion will bring an X1600 to
it's knees, but i'd like to atleast be able to play these games at max
textures and detail with 2x AA at 1024x768, atleast 30 FPS. Can an x1600
Pro with 512 do this with said games?

nope

 

[TonyC]

I have an old athlon system with a 9700 Pro, and i believe a 7800 GS would
probably be held back by my cpu. How much faster would an X1600 Pro(512) be
than my 9700 Pro?

400mhz mobo
3200+(2.2ghz)
1gig ocz
9700 Pro stock

I know newer games like FEAR, COD2 and Obliviion will bring an X1600 to
it's knees, but i'd like to atleast be able to play these games at max
textures and detail with 2x AA at 1024x768, atleast 30 FPS. Can an x1600
Pro with 512 do this with said games?

You're hoping for far too much. How about telling us your maximum budget?


Tone

 

[DDC]

You're hoping for far too much. How about telling us your maximum budget?


Tone

He could try the 7600gt witch cost around 240$ canadian. It known to
performe at high fps in all game but it cut down on details...

Maybe he should try the x1600xt xxx from xfx witch is the highest card
in its field. Or wait for the x1800gto that come at 350$ can.

i believe that there will be a x1900gto that will come out this year.
that card could drop down the price of several card this way he could
have more choice.

he should wait. or get one of the mentionned card

Ps: i do think that the x1600xt could give him some good result at
1024x768x32 no anti whataver...

 

[First of One]

Very few cards can run FEAR and Oblivion at 1024x768, let alone with 2x AA.
The 7800GT can't do it, for example. Plan for at least an X1900XT.

 

[Mike B]

what if i simply build a new system with an x2 4400 2 gigs of ram and
x1900xtx? what kind of details and performance could i expect with these
games at that point?

 

[SonofLaL]

what if i simply build a new system with an x2 4400 2 gigs of ram and
x1900xtx? what kind of details and performance could i expect with these
games at that point?

that would be a good system but wht buy an X2 4400? If you`re playing games
a dual core processor won`t give you any better performance than a single
core processor. save your money and buy a similar speed single core A64. and
while you`re at it why not buy a crossfire m/b and get 2 X1900XTX`s?

 

[DDC]

Very few cards can run FEAR and Oblivion at 1024x768, let alone with 2x AA.
The 7800GT can't do it, for example. Plan for at least an X1900XT.

This is ridiculous, why games publisher would build a video game that
only run on a x1900xt or a 7900gt.

We are talking about 1024x768 resolution. i got a x800 128meg and it
run at a fairly rate of image. but i can't enable the eye candy's and
fsaa and aa.

at 2x aa Oblivion run at 1fsp when there are fight with others
characters but whit out that it run 'like i said ' fairly good.

 

[farmuse]

Very few cards can run FEAR and Oblivion at 1024x768, let alone with 2x AA.
The 7800GT can't do it, for example. Plan for at least an X1900XT.

this is not true, my son plays Oblivion at at least 1024 x 768 on a
X800 XT PE and it runs great, no AA , 1 GB ram, XP3200

 

[First of One]

You will be able to break past 1024x768 with playable framerates in
Oblivion. You wouldn't be able to with a slower card... Even two X1900XTs in
Crossfire will drop below 30 fps in certain places if you enable HDR + 4xAA.

 

[First of One]

My old 9800Pro can run the game at 1024x768 at "medium" settings, but then
some areas look like pea soup. Ask your son to try the game at "Ultra High"
and see what happens... that's not even with HDR lighting enabled.

 

[ADR]

"a dual core processor won`t give you any better performance than a
single core processor." Yes but it's not really the games fault.
Windows affinity and thread management is to blame, it plays it safe,
way to safe. Windows is basically trying not to crash.

I'm developing/testing a small application that senses games and fixes
this. So far I can boost CPU marks in 3dMark by over 250 points
consistently. However I've got a little work to do as it comes at the
cost of about 10 3dMarks.

When I'm ready for more beta testers I'll post a thread to this group
and the nVidia board group. Unless that would be considered spamming?
I don't like that.

 

[First of One]

Games like Oblivion are very much video card-limited unless you have dual
X1900s in Crossfire. Unless you like programming as a hobby, a generic
"dual-core patch" doesn't make a lot of sense.

And there are ways to artificially boost 3DMark scores:
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/a_speed_cheat/
Interestingly, the article is so old that "Geforce 6 Ultra" was considered
futuristic, fantasy hardware.

 

[DDC]

Games like Oblivion are very much video card-limited unless you have dual
X1900s in Crossfire. Unless you like programming as a hobby, a generic
"dual-core patch" doesn't make a lot of sense.

And there are ways to artificially boost 3DMark scores:
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/a_speed_cheat/
Interestingly, the article is so old that "Geforce 6 Ultra" was considered
futuristic, fantasy hardware.

why considering the use of a dual core when using a raid system
provide the speed require to feed the single processor system.


i would bet that a 4800dual core run as fast as a raid system with a
3200 64bit socket 939 single core.

 

[First of One]

That would only make sense for applications (and benchmarks) where disk
access is the bottleneck.

 

[DDC]

That would only make sense for applications (and benchmarks) where disk
access is the bottleneck.

And what about those disk like the raptor ones vs wd 400gig that run
at 7200rpm. They are known to perform as fast as those raptor, because
of the density of each platter in the case disk.

My 250gig runs at 65mb/s vs a raptor that goes maybe to 75-80mb/s.
I wander what would it like whit a 400gig.

finally.
Most of all application are base on a single core cpu, also the 4800
dual core run at the same speed of a 4000 single core. I my previous
post i was referring on a system that was install whit raid and a 3200
64b vs a dual core that was install on a single disk.

 

[_-_-__-]

This is ridiculous, why games publisher would build a video game that
only run on a x1900xt or a 7900gt.

I think it's good that there's something that will run on
the best video cards. Kind of like a benchmark.

Personally I like unreal tourny over tourny 2005. I like the
older graphics better because they seem better matched to
the FPS game. The body parts bounce more too

Anyway, I won't be playing any of the newer games for a
couple of years. At least they'll be cheap then.

 

[AAvK]

Very few cards can run FEAR and Oblivion at 1024x768, let alone with 2x AA.
The 7800GT can't do it, for example. Plan for at least an X1900XT.

Cripes, my X800XL (256mb) can run both demos of

(my settings)

F.E.A.R. 1152x864x32, FSAA set to 4x
and
Condemned 1024x768x32, FSAA set to 4x

Just fine, as well as Far Cry set to 1152x864x32, FSAA set to 6x and
water quality to the highest. Excellently! If a 7800 GT can't do that,
then "I for one" cannot IMAGINE what you are talking about!

No typos above, sincerely,

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WinXP sp2
Abit IS7 / 865PE/ICH5
Intel P4 2.60C/HT, Thermalright XP-90 cooler, 92MM 57 CFM Panaflo
1GB kingston PC3200 dual channel RAM with heat spreaders
ATI X800XL AGP, Thermalright V-1 cooler with two fans
Creative Audigy 2 / Logitech Z560 4.1
Maxtor 80GB /8MB IDE, Abit Serillel SATA adapter to board
Maxtor 40GB /2MB IDE to board IDE
Coolmax CR-550B (550 watts, single 140MM fan)

 

[KCB]

Cripes, my X800XL (256mb) can run both demos of
(my settings)

F.E.A.R. 1152x864x32, FSAA set to 4x
and Condemned 1024x768x32, FSAA set to 4x

Just fine, as well as Far Cry set to 1152x864x32, FSAA set to 6x and
water quality to the highest. Excellently! If a 7800 GT can't do
that, then "I for one" cannot IMAGINE what you are talking about!

No typos above, sincerely,

I run FEAR fine with a 7800GT @ 1024*768. Not sure what the other
settings are as it's on my other computer, but it's very smooth single
player and multiplayer. It looks great.