WPA Harsh Punishment

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I wish there were competing operating systems with the same level of
compatibility with software and hardware as Windows XP.

I hate the fact that when I make frequent hardware changes I get punished
for it by having to trade a 40+ number activation code with some person on
the phone which takes away time from the real work that I have to do.

Anyone have any thoughts. Will Vista be as unfair?
 
WPA said:
I wish there were competing operating systems with the same level of
compatibility with software and hardware as Windows XP.

I hate the fact that when I make frequent hardware changes I get
punished for it by having to trade a 40+ number activation code with
some person on the phone which takes away time from the real work
that I have to do.

Anyone have any thoughts. Will Vista be as unfair?

Probably worse, and as long as people keep paying MS for copy-crippled
software, the more MS will cripple it.

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Kurt
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
 
Instead of trolling here why don't you write a piece to your local news
paper editorial column.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
WPA said:
I wish there were competing operating systems with the same level of
compatibility with software and hardware as Windows XP.

I hate the fact that when I make frequent hardware changes I get punished
for it by having to trade a 40+ number activation code with some person on
the phone which takes away time from the real work that I have to do.

Anyone have any thoughts. Will Vista be as unfair?

Yes a 5 minute phone call is brutal.
 
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:22:02 -0800, "WPA Whipped" <WPA
I wish there were competing operating systems with the same level of
compatibility with software and hardware as Windows XP.

I hate the fact that when I make frequent hardware changes I get punished
for it by having to trade a 40+ number activation code with some person on
the phone which takes away time from the real work that I have to do.

Anyone have any thoughts. Will Vista be as unfair?

Much much worse, packed full of DRM dictated by Music Biz & Hollywood.
Hardwired DRM, monitoring, phone home stuff, encryption backdoors
(anti terrorism you know) all sorts of crap that various government
and commercial bodies are pushing to get incorporated will eventually
turn Windows from an OS into big brother squared. Vista is somewhere I
am not going as far as I am concerned XP is the last M$ OS I will ever
buy.

There will of course be plenty of work arounds and pirate copies of
everything there alway is and always will be but who needs it.

Start learning Linux now if you want to have your own PC in the future
not a glorified X Box censoring your every move.

Jonah
 
WPA is not liked by nearly everyone, including many inside MS. It,
unfortunately, is the result of years of trying to cut down on "casual
copying" - something which, not unlike file sharing (pirated music in
particular), is only getting worse and harder to control. I would expect
that it will become more rigid rather than more relaxed. The only other
major x86 compatible OS, Linux, is still not user friendly enough for
general public distribution, and as long as there are 100+ different
versions being distributed it never will be. Until all the 'nix developers
band together and cooperate on producing one solid consumer-friendly
interface, it likely will never go beyond being a novelty in the home user
market. Of course, if they do that they might just as well incorporate
themselves and........

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
It's obvious now Linux will go nowhere soon nor later for reasons you've
stated (Mr. R. Nutcase R.) and, the market does not have a familiarity with
the product (at even individual level). Despite arguments of a superior
built OS, there are too many distros and more than one Desktop GUI, Gnome,
KDE enough to scare a consumer right back to what they feel comfortable
with. Most people (users I've met and spoken to about their computer
preferences) don't like Macs because their mouse has only one button, their
belief. Nearly everyone that says, what's Linux? Never heard of it. No
marketing, no product familiarity and seems to be the exclusive discussion
of the "nerds", whom's revenge will never come.

I worked for two corporations that tried the Linux line and dropped it for
many good reasons, one being support, and development tools, and users not
being (yes there it is again) familiar with it, who wants to re-train their
employees if they don't need to? Even though there are skins that will look
exactly like a Windows desktop for Linux, say to a person (employee) it's
Linux and the first thing they'll say is what's that? Then call you
(support) every five minutes to ask questions like "...to do this..., ...is
it the same as...?" And you can bet on that, goes back to familiarity.
People have an innate fear of products and will lean towards what they're
familiar with. How many of you are familiar with, "Where do you want to go
today"?, Or "Create something new with Windows XP" ? Tell me a Linux
slogan.... A Mac one... Instead we see Linux boxed with a penguin, is that
image corporate? Do you think MS products have a corporate image or don't
scare off corporate purchasers.

Looks like the Marketers (with their crap) beat the Engineers (with their
craftsmanship).

My opinion (all 1 1/2 cents worth of it) is that someone (or people) should
decompile (reverse engineer) WindowsXP and the new Pista and reconstruct it
and familiarise the market with it and have no WPA, WGA and will run MS
Office and run .NET and can install Visual Studio 6.0 -> .NET 2005 and maybe
call it Doors! A can market it something like, "...You can look through
Windows but, You can open the Doors of opportunity.." Break on through to
the otherside, Break on through to the otherside,... Oh Yeah! (<-- sorry
about that).

- Winux P



: WPA is not liked by nearly everyone, including many inside MS. It,
: unfortunately, is the result of years of trying to cut down on "casual
: copying" - something which, not unlike file sharing (pirated music in
: particular), is only getting worse and harder to control. I would expect
: that it will become more rigid rather than more relaxed. The only other
: major x86 compatible OS, Linux, is still not user friendly enough for
: general public distribution, and as long as there are 100+ different
: versions being distributed it never will be. Until all the 'nix developers
: band together and cooperate on producing one solid consumer-friendly
: interface, it likely will never go beyond being a novelty in the home user
: market. Of course, if they do that they might just as well incorporate
: themselves and........
:
: --
: Best of Luck,
:
: Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
:
: Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
:
: Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
:
: : >I wish there were competing operating systems with the same level of
: > compatibility with software and hardware as Windows XP.
: >
: > I hate the fact that when I make frequent hardware changes I get
punished
: > for it by having to trade a 40+ number activation code with some person
on
: > the phone which takes away time from the real work that I have to do.
: >
: > Anyone have any thoughts. Will Vista be as unfair?
:
:
 
Don't give me that garbage that it is okay to make your paying customers go
through the 40+ digit-swap-motions just because you're scared that someone in
the world is pirating your software. Punish them not me.

By the way, a 5 minute phone call is brutal when I have to do it over and
over and over because I like to configure and re-configure my hardware. It's
my prerogative of how I want to deal with my hardware. I should not have to
have that privilege be dictated by my software.

Maybe I'll have you call them up for me when I need a new activation.
 
WPA Whipped said:
Don't give me that garbage that it is okay to make your paying customers
go
through the 40+ digit-swap-motions just because you're scared that someone
in
the world is pirating your software. Punish them not me.

By the way, a 5 minute phone call is brutal when I have to do it over and
over and over because I like to configure and re-configure my hardware.
It's
my prerogative of how I want to deal with my hardware. I should not have
to
have that privilege be dictated by my software.

Maybe I'll have you call them up for me when I need a new activation.

Then choose software that doesn't require activation. I don't like the
policy either but neither of us runs Microsoft. The only vote that counts is
the one you make when you open your wallet.

Kerry
 
Don't give me that garbage that it is okay to make your paying customers go
through the 40+ digit-swap-motions just because you're scared that someone in
the world is pirating your software. Punish them not me.

By the way, a 5 minute phone call is brutal when I have to do it over and
over and over because I like to configure and re-configure my hardware. It's
my prerogative of how I want to deal with my hardware. I should not have to
have that privilege be dictated by my software.

No one forced you to purchase the software, and it's been common
knowledge about Product Activation for a LONG time, so you must be
complaining because you're just ignorant.

If you don't want PA, then pick an OS that doesn't require it. There are
several OS's on the market that provide at least 90% of what most people
need in order to work or be productive at home.
 
I'm thinking that I have three options now for my "work" machines.

One - Go Linux
Two- Go Mac(can't believe i'm saying that)
Three- Revert back to Windows 2000 with no WPA

Of course for my games and whatever software that only runs on XP I'll need
a machine that still runs XP.
 
Don't expect to be commisertated here. They think it is trivial this issue.
When it bites them then they'll know but as for now they are selfish runts
who cannot understand why anyone would want to use what they pay for without
permission. LOL.
 
I'm thinking that I have three options now for my "work" machines.

One - Go Linux
Two- Go Mac(can't believe i'm saying that)
Three- Revert back to Windows 2000 with no WPA

Of course for my games and whatever software that only runs on XP I'll need
a machine that still runs XP.

With the exception of Games, you can run many Windows applications using
cheap software on a Linux box. I was able to run Office XP (except for
Outlook) on a Linux Fedora Core 3 box without any issues at all.
 
Winux said:
It's obvious now Linux will go nowhere soon nor later for reasons you've
stated (Mr. R. Nutcase R.) and, the market does not have a familiarity with
the product (at even individual level). Despite arguments of a superior
built OS, there are too many distros and more than one Desktop GUI, Gnome,
KDE enough to scare a consumer right back to what they feel comfortable
with. Most people (users I've met and spoken to about their computer
preferences) don't like Macs because their mouse has only one button, their
belief. Nearly everyone that says, what's Linux? Never heard of it. No
marketing, no product familiarity and seems to be the exclusive discussion
of the "nerds", whom's revenge will never come.

I worked for two corporations that tried the Linux line and dropped it for
many good reasons, one being support, and development tools, and users not
being (yes there it is again) familiar with it, who wants to re-train their
employees if they don't need to? Even though there are skins that will look
exactly like a Windows desktop for Linux, say to a person (employee) it's
Linux and the first thing they'll say is what's that? Then call you
(support) every five minutes to ask questions like "...to do this..., ...is
it the same as...?" And you can bet on that, goes back to familiarity.
People have an innate fear of products and will lean towards what they're
familiar with. How many of you are familiar with, "Where do you want to go
today"?, Or "Create something new with Windows XP" ? Tell me a Linux
slogan.... A Mac one... Instead we see Linux boxed with a penguin, is that
image corporate? Do you think MS products have a corporate image or don't
scare off corporate purchasers.

Looks like the Marketers (with their crap) beat the Engineers (with their
craftsmanship).

My opinion (all 1 1/2 cents worth of it) is that someone (or people) should
decompile (reverse engineer) WindowsXP and the new Pista and reconstruct it
and familiarise the market with it and have no WPA, WGA and will run MS
Office and run .NET and can install Visual Studio 6.0 -> .NET 2005 and maybe
call it Doors! A can market it something like, "...You can look through
Windows but, You can open the Doors of opportunity.." Break on through to
the otherside, Break on through to the otherside,... Oh Yeah! (<-- sorry
about that).

- Winux P

What with the discontent that paying customers have for WPA and WGA, the
time is right for a new easy-as-windows-to-use OS. If MS really had any
competition, they would be praying that people casually pirate it.

Alias
 
WPA said:
Don't give me that garbage that it is okay to make your paying customers go
through the 40+ digit-swap-motions just because you're scared that someone in
the world is pirating your software. Punish them not me.

Sniff, snivel, whine. Don't use MS software then.
 
The long and the short of it is no Vista will be no different at best and
worse most likely. It is one of those things where you just have to say, "OK
Microsoft, you win." That is what they are counting on anyway man. As for me
I will never buy a new version of an op sys from Microsoft ever. Not because
of your concern but because they are not in the business of working out bugs
but in the development of new ones. LINUX will beat them in the long run I
believe or something else. But until then we just have to deal with what we
have.
 
So now we resort to name calling. I didn't know it was against the law to
grieve about my experience with XP activation.

Yes I was ignorant when I first bought the OS known as XP, but obviously
I've learned about XP the hard way. By the way, name calling is also a form
of ignorance when there are better uses for the English language.
 
See inline responses;

: I'm thinking that I have three options now for my "work" machines.

: One - Go Linux
Sure, do so, I gaurentee that you'll be making alot more phone calls than
WPA will cause you to do. You'll get to know your Linux support technician
on a first name basis.

: Two- Go Mac(can't believe i'm saying that)
You'll be complaining a whole lot more than WPA will make you.

: Three- Revert back to Windows 2000 with no WPA
Sounds like a bigger task than putting up with WPA.

: Of course for my games and whatever software that only runs on XP I'll
need
: a machine that still runs XP.
The circle completes

Consumers need a credible alternative to Windows before it will *probably*
reviews its' anti-piracy mechanisms. One - and Two - just won't do it,
Three - is history but if you have that choice its' up to you. Everyones
poohed off with WPA and WGA, why believe in a world where such things don't
happen. Don't get angry get even, I onced worked for a company that bought
two WindowsXP licences and managed to install them on 16 PCs, and get them
activated and updated. Why get angry, submitt, for submission is
subversion... <evil laugh>MUHAHAHAHAHAHA...<evil laugh>

- Winux P
 
Do you find pleasure in making fun of people than helping them? Go crap up
someone elses topic.

That was the whole point of my topic because I'm tired of it and I am going
to switch OSes. Your posts are useless to me.
 
Why would anybody in their right mind make frequent hardware changes
when there are better things in life? What exactly is the problem with
your machine that requires lots of hardware changes? Perhaps this
should be sorted out by raising this with the hardware manufacturer!.

You are missing out in the fun that XP OS and Office 2003 brings to your
life :).

Best regards,
 

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