Workgroup and domain????

[Tony Williams]

I have a laptop that connects to a remote server by a domain name. The
laptop is identified as "laptop.internal.XXX.co.uk" and the domain is
"internal.XXX.co.uk". However I want to connect it also to a small network
at home which is a Workgroup. Is this possible? I did read in a post in this
group that if you made the Workgroup name identical to the domain name it
would enable the laptop to be seen on the network. I have tried to do this
but the domain name is too long for the Workgroup name (the Workgroup name
box wont accept the number of characters in the domain name). I don't want
to upset the link to the external server but I want the laptop to be seen on
the local home network. What do I do?
Thanks
Tony

 

[Robert L [MS-MVP]]

In this case, you should not change the workgroup name. You may want to create the same username and password on all computers for sharing. this link may help,

workgroup networking faqs How can I share files between workgroup computer and domain/workgroup computer There are currently no logon servers available to service the logon request ...
www.chicagotech.net/workgroupnet.htm


Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
I have a laptop that connects to a remote server by a domain name. The
laptop is identified as "laptop.internal.XXX.co.uk" and the domain is
"internal.XXX.co.uk". However I want to connect it also to a small network
at home which is a Workgroup. Is this possible? I did read in a post in this
group that if you made the Workgroup name identical to the domain name it
would enable the laptop to be seen on the network. I have tried to do this
but the domain name is too long for the Workgroup name (the Workgroup name
box wont accept the number of characters in the domain name). I don't want
to upset the link to the external server but I want the laptop to be seen on
the local home network. What do I do?
Thanks
Tony

 

[Chuck]

I have a laptop that connects to a remote server by a domain name. The
laptop is identified as "laptop.internal.XXX.co.uk" and the domain is
"internal.XXX.co.uk". However I want to connect it also to a small network
at home which is a Workgroup. Is this possible? I did read in a post in this
group that if you made the Workgroup name identical to the domain name it
would enable the laptop to be seen on the network. I have tried to do this
but the domain name is too long for the Workgroup name (the Workgroup name
box wont accept the number of characters in the domain name). I don't want
to upset the link to the external server but I want the laptop to be seen on
the local home network. What do I do?
Thanks
Tony

Tony,

You have a bit of a challenge. Is the laptop currently joined to an actual
domain? If so, changing its membership to your home workgroup, which would be
necessary to make it visible within the workgroup, won't be a good idea.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-laptop-will-travel.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-laptop-will-travel.html

Depending upon how the laptop is setup on the domain, it may be visible from the
workgroup under Entire Network. Or it may be completely invisible.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/windows-networking.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/windows-networking.html

Please start by providing "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all" from the laptop,
when its not connected to any network, so we can see what the possibilities are.
Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely
(download browstat first!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp

 

[Tony Williams]

Thank you for pointing me in that direction but to be quite honest I couldn't understand the instructions, there seemed to be words missing from the answers and they didn't appear to be logical? This question seems to cover my problem
How can I use domain laptop to access a peer-to-peer network

My W2K pro laptop is in the work domain and W2K pro home PC is in a workgroup. I want to use the shared printer on the workgroup PC to print from my domain PC. I get "No login server available..." when trying to connect to the home PC from the work PC. I can log into my work PC locally, but then I have to use a new profile and log on/off, etc. Is there anyway for me to be able to print through the workgroup PC without having to log out of my domain profile?

A: You may have two options: 1) try that: create a workgroup name to match your domain name first and test all connect on the home network, then join the laptop to the domain. You should be able to logon the domain at work and home, and the laptop can access the workgroup resources too. 2) logon domain user on the domain laptop (even the workgroup is different), use command net use \\workgroupcomputer /user:administrator, (here administrator is workgroup computer local administrator), the enter workgroup computer administrator password. You should be able to access the workgroup resources. 3) Create the same username and password on both workgroup and domain so that you can access both resources. 4) At home logon local computer.

But I don't understand it. You say there are two options but there are 4 statements which refer to each other> where do I use the command net use? Can you explain it another way?

Thanks

Tony



In this case, you should not change the workgroup name. You may want to create the same username and password on all computers for sharing. this link may help,

workgroup networking faqs How can I share files between workgroup computer and domain/workgroup computer There are currently no logon servers available to service the logon request ...
www.chicagotech.net/workgroupnet.htm


Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
I have a laptop that connects to a remote server by a domain name. The
laptop is identified as "laptop.internal.XXX.co.uk" and the domain is
"internal.XXX.co.uk". However I want to connect it also to a small network
at home which is a Workgroup. Is this possible? I did read in a post in this
group that if you made the Workgroup name identical to the domain name it
would enable the laptop to be seen on the network. I have tried to do this
but the domain name is too long for the Workgroup name (the Workgroup name
box wont accept the number of characters in the domain name). I don't want
to upset the link to the external server but I want the laptop to be seen on
the local home network. What do I do?
Thanks
Tony

 

[Tony Williams]

Chuck yes the laptop is joined to a domain and even though it is plugged
into the same ADSL Router I can't see it in Entire Network. I agree changing
its membership would disconnect me from the remote server which I don't want
to do. Am I stuck?
Tony

 

[Chuck]

Chuck yes the laptop is joined to a domain and even though it is plugged
into the same ADSL Router I can't see it in Entire Network. I agree changing
its membership would disconnect me from the remote server which I don't want
to do. Am I stuck?
Tony

Tony,

Let's find out. Run "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all" from one workgroup
computer, and from the laptop. Read this article, and linked articles, and
follow instructions precisely (download and install browstat first!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp

 

[Tony Williams]

Here we go

Desktop on Workgroup running XP Serv Pack2
ipconfig
Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : tw

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : WAG54GS


Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 3:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : WAG54GS

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : ULi PCI Fast Ethernet Controller

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-13-D4-7A-3E-24

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.100

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.1

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.1

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 62.6.40.178

194.72.9.38

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 25 February 2006 12:14:12

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 26 February 2006 12:14:12

Browstat for desktop
Usage: BROWSTAT Command [Options | /HELP]
Where <Command> is one of:

ELECT ( EL) - Force election on remote domain
GETBLIST ( GB) - Get backup list for domain
GETMASTER ( GM) - Get remote Master Browser name (using NetBIOS)
GETPDC ( GP) - Get PDC name (using NetBIOS)
LISTWFW (WFW) - List WFW servers that are actually running browser
STATS (STS) - Dump browser statistics
STATUS (STA) - Display status about a domain
TICKLE (TIC) - Force remote master to stop
VIEW ( VW) - Remote NetServerEnum to a server or domain on
transport
DUMPNET ( DN) - Display the list of transports bound to browser
Unknown switch specified
In server (or domain) list displays, the following flags are used:
W=Workstation, S=Server, SQL=SQLServer, PDC=PrimaryDomainController,
BDC=BackupDomainController, TS=TimeSource, AFP=AFPServer, NV=Novell,
MBC=MemberServer, PQ=PrintServer, DL=DialinServer, XN=Xenix,
NT=Windows NT, WFW=WindowsForWorkgroups, MFPN=MS Netware,
SS=StandardServer, PBR=PotentialBrowser, BBR=BackupBrowser,
MBR=MasterBrowser, OSF=OSFServer, VMS=VMSServer, W95=Windows95,
DFS=DistributedFileSystem, CLUS=NTCluster, DCE=IBM DSS

laptop on Domain running W2k SP 3
ipconfig
Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : DJWLAPTOP
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : internal.fla.org.uk
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No


Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Cable Disconnected

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 570x Gigabit Integrated
Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-43-CC-4A-4B

Running Browstat status on this laptop gave no results????


Hope this is useful Chuck, thanks for the input.
Cheers
Tony

 

[Tony Williams]

Sorry Chuck Browstat for desktop is as follows
Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{D0216B60-085F-49A8-B8BE-FDAB01A075F2}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: TW
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master TW
\\TW
There are 2 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{D0216B60-085F-49A8-B8BE-FDAB01A075F2}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{D0216B60-085F-49A8-B8BE-FDAB01A075F2}

Cheers
Tony

 

[Robert L [MS-MVP]]

The page need update. You can try #3. create the same username with the same password on both computers.

Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Thank you for pointing me in that direction but to be quite honest I couldn't understand the instructions, there seemed to be words missing from the answers and they didn't appear to be logical? This question seems to cover my problem
How can I use domain laptop to access a peer-to-peer network

My W2K pro laptop is in the work domain and W2K pro home PC is in a workgroup. I want to use the shared printer on the workgroup PC to print from my domain PC. I get "No login server available..." when trying to connect to the home PC from the work PC. I can log into my work PC locally, but then I have to use a new profile and log on/off, etc. Is there anyway for me to be able to print through the workgroup PC without having to log out of my domain profile?

A: You may have two options: 1) try that: create a workgroup name to match your domain name first and test all connect on the home network, then join the laptop to the domain. You should be able to logon the domain at work and home, and the laptop can access the workgroup resources too. 2) logon domain user on the domain laptop (even the workgroup is different), use command net use \\workgroupcomputer /user:administrator, (here administrator is workgroup computer local administrator), the enter workgroup computer administrator password. You should be able to access the workgroup resources. 3) Create the same username and password on both workgroup and domain so that you can access both resources. 4) At home logon local computer.

But I don't understand it. You say there are two options but there are 4 statements which refer to each other> where do I use the command net use? Can you explain it another way?

Thanks

Tony



In this case, you should not change the workgroup name. You may want to create the same username and password on all computers for sharing. this link may help,

workgroup networking faqs How can I share files between workgroup computer and domain/workgroup computer There are currently no logon servers available to service the logon request ...
www.chicagotech.net/workgroupnet.htm


Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
I have a laptop that connects to a remote server by a domain name. The
laptop is identified as "laptop.internal.XXX.co.uk" and the domain is
"internal.XXX.co.uk". However I want to connect it also to a small network
at home which is a Workgroup. Is this possible? I did read in a post in this
group that if you made the Workgroup name identical to the domain name it
would enable the laptop to be seen on the network. I have tried to do this
but the domain name is too long for the Workgroup name (the Workgroup name
box wont accept the number of characters in the domain name). I don't want
to upset the link to the external server but I want the laptop to be seen on
the local home network. What do I do?
Thanks
Tony

 

[Chuck]

Sorry Chuck Browstat for desktop is as follows
Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{D0216B60-085F-49A8-B8BE-FDAB01A075F2}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: TW
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master TW
\\TW
There are 2 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{D0216B60-085F-49A8-B8BE-FDAB01A075F2}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{D0216B60-085F-49A8-B8BE-FDAB01A075F2}

Tony,

If browstat on the laptop gave no output at all, it's likely that the laptop is
not running the browser. That would have been a conscious tuning decision made
by your domain admins, who won't want you turning the browser on, at least
permanently.

Now there are 3 commercial products, that are used for saving network settings,
that MIGHT be of use here. I have no idea if any of them save the browser
setting though.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-laptop-will-travel.html#ComplexSolutions>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-laptop-will-travel.html#ComplexSolutions

If you use any of these commercial products, it will let you move from domain to
workgroup membership, BUT you'll have to have a domain admin available when you
move back to the domain. That will get old pretty fast.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-laptop-will-travel.html#Authentication>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-laptop-will-travel.html#Authentication

The best solution that I can think of, so far, is for you to put one, or all, of
your home computers into a workgroup with name identical to the domain name. If
you run "browstat status" on the laptop, when its's connected to the domain, you
can get the name that you'll need.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/windows-networking.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/windows-networking.html

 

[Tony Williams]

Thanks Chuck I'll talk to the network people
Tony

Tony,

If browstat on the laptop gave no output at all, it's likely that the
laptop is
not running the browser. That would have been a conscious tuning decision
made
by your domain admins, who won't want you turning the browser on, at least
permanently.

Now there are 3 commercial products, that are used for saving network
settings,
that MIGHT be of use here. I have no idea if any of them save the browser
setting though.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-laptop-will-travel.html#ComplexSolutions>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-laptop-will-travel.html#ComplexSolutions

If you use any of these commercial products, it will let you move from
domain to
workgroup membership, BUT you'll have to have a domain admin available
when you
move back to the domain. That will get old pretty fast.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-laptop-will-travel.html#Authentication>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/have-laptop-will-travel.html#Authentication

The best solution that I can think of, so far, is for you to put one, or
all, of
your home computers into a workgroup with name identical to the domain
name. If
you run "browstat status" on the laptop, when its's connected to the
domain, you
can get the name that you'll need.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/windows-networking.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/windows-networking.html

 

[Ron Lowe]

There is no necessity to mess with domain or workgroup settings.

IF the domain's NetBIOS name is the same as your home network workgroup
name, then it simplifies browsing, since the machines in both will appear in
the Network Browse List.

( The Domain's NetBIOS name is usually, but not always, the first part of
the DNS name, eg "internal". )

Windows supports multiple workgroups.
If your home network uses a different workgroup name, then in the network
browser, just go up one level from the current workgroup to view the Entire
Network, then choose the home network workgroup. ( this may take some time
to appear. )

However, browsing is just ( fairly useless ) fluff on the top on networking.
It is not necessary to have browsing functioning for all other network
functionality.

Even if the workgroups / domains are different, and browsing refuses to
work, you can still access machines on your home network by mapping network
drives to \\your-home-pc\share, or from Start | Run | \\your-home-pc.

 

[Tony Williams]

Thanks Ron I will try just straightforward mapping
Tony