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[Ron Badour]

TEST--These are words from John's post that doesn't make it.

"On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers
with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows
cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some
things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some
subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in
public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being
said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or
highly critical of Microsoft."

 

[Alias]

Alias posts could be considered by some as being a little overboard by
promoting Ubuntu, or posting from Spain.

What, pray tell, would posting from Spain have to do with it? Ubuntu is
an excellent alternative to *anything* Windows, especially Vista so I am
*on**topic*. This fact is why MS has its panties in a twist.

Alias

 

[Ron Badour]

ANOTHER TEST--John's words and some of mine.

"On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers
with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows
cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some
things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some
subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in
public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being
said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or
highly critical of Microsoft."
___________________

My words:

Now, I have to ask the question--why would anyone from MS object to that
text when it is the business practices of OEMs that is being questioned. I
have the same problem with this practice and I wrote to Dell to voice a very
strong opinion why this was a stupid idea (i.e., the hard drive crashes and
the replacement files are lost). In past posts, I listed a hard to find URL
at Dell that a person can use to request a Windows CD:

http://support.dell.com/support/top...e/en/backupcd_form?c=us&l=en&s=gen&redirect=1

 

[Ron Badour]

MORE INFO.

It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get back to
this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going out of
town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or after my
trip.

 

[John John (MVP)]

At times I have been, how shall I say, pretty vociferous on this
business practice. In no uncertain terms I have made it clear that I
think that Microsoft could put an end to the practice if they wanted to
but that they have certain vested "interests" in keeping the practice
alive. Perhaps my ID along with a few "buzz" words sends my posts on
the subject straight to the bozo bin!

John

 

[mae]

Maybe some word combinations trip the filters.

test the first part of your post:
"Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts
never contain spam, porn, _ _ _ or vulgar language, yet many of
his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS
servers.
John "

mae

| At times I have been, how shall I say, pretty vociferous on this
| business practice. In no uncertain terms I have made it clear that I
| think that Microsoft could put an end to the practice if they wanted to
| but that they have certain vested "interests" in keeping the practice
| alive. Perhaps my ID along with a few "buzz" words sends my posts on
| the subject straight to the bozo bin!
|
| John
|
| Ron Badour wrote:
| > MORE INFO.
| >
| > It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get back
to
| > this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going out of
| > town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or
after my
| > trip.

 

[Frank-FL]

What, pray tell, would posting from Spain have to do with it? Ubuntu is
an excellent alternative to *anything* Windows, especially Vista so I am
*on**topic*. This fact is why MS has its panties in a twist.

Alias

Some people, mostly fanboys, not me.

 

[Alias]

Some people, mostly fanboys, not me.

Oh, OK, sorry, I misread your post.

Alias

 

[Ron Badour]

John,

As I understand it, MS has no control over how OEMs handle the method used
to reinstall OEM versions of Windows. As I recall, there just has to be
some sort of mechanism for a user to be able to reinstall the system. So,
blaming MS for this problem is not the right thing to do even though they
might profit down the line by selling another license. People should be
demanding that OEMs provide system CDs when one is not included with their
PC purchase.

In my view, putting a system reinstallation capability on the hard drive is
a horrible practice. Dell did this for a while--I don't know if they are
still doing it but I hope not. I wrote to them and told them this was a bad
idea just to save a $1 (or less) on a CD and opined what a disservice they
were doing to their customers. I pointed out that if the drive crashes
(DOA), there is no way of restoring the system. Or in my case, I always
have multiple partitions on my drives and the act of partitioning destroyed
Dell's "restore from the drive" capability.

As a matter of interest, I used the URL I previously posted to request a
system CD from Dell and it arrived the next day. I was still irritated that
I did not get a driver CD so I called Dell to voice my displeasure about
that. The guy from India (just guessing on his country) said they didn't
have any because the drivers were constantly being updated and the most
recent versions were on the web site and could be downloaded. I sort of
bought that explanation but I would have been a lot happier if they had sent
me an old driver CD. What I did get was another copy of my XP Media Center
CD

I have not yet gotten the filtering information that I asked for--I will
post back when I have something to report.

Regards

Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008

 

[John John (MVP)]

John,

As I understand it, MS has no control over how OEMs handle the method used
to reinstall OEM versions of Windows.

To me it's quite simple, Ron. Microsoft can simply tell pc
manufacturers that as a part of the Windows licensing and distribution
agreement they must include a real Windows cd with the new computer,
that the real cd is an integral part of the license. The cd could be
manufactured (burned & labeled) by the OEM and include other tools and
BIOS lock mechanisms but that otherwise the cd be usable like a real
Windows cd. The agreement can state that if the OEM wants to ship or
include other recovery methods that they are also free to do so but that
the "real" cd must still accompany the new computer. This is required
of small manufacturers who use the System Builder licensing and generic
Microsoft OEM cds, these small builder *must* ship the OEM cd with the
new computer. It's that simple, but for obvious reasons I don't expect
that to happen anytime soon.

John

 

[mae]

| John,
|
|
| I have not yet gotten the filtering information that I asked for--I will
| post back when I have something to report.
|
| Regards
|
| Ron Badour
| MS MVP 1997 - 2008

There were a phrase of 3 words in combination with the other words.
I tried his post complete and it was blocked.
I left out the 3 words and it went through, and posted that in a reply to
him.

mae

| | > At times I have been, how shall I say, pretty vociferous on this
business
| > practice. In no uncertain terms I have made it clear that I think that
| > Microsoft could put an end to the practice if they wanted to but that
they
| > have certain vested "interests" in keeping the practice alive. Perhaps
my
| > ID along with a few "buzz" words sends my posts on the subject straight
to
| > the bozo bin!
| >
| > John
| >
| > Ron Badour wrote:
| >> MORE INFO.
| >>
| >> It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get
back
| >> to this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going
out
| >> of town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or
| >> after my trip.
| >>

 

[John John (MVP)]

There were a phrase of 3 words in combination with the other words.
I tried his post complete and it was blocked.
I left out the 3 words and it went through, and posted that in a reply to
him.

What were the 3 words? Are you saying that the words "or vulgar
language" are the culprits? Ron posted those in his post and his post
made it through.

John

 

[Ron Badour]

It is not that simple John. How would you like to be a businessman and then
have someone you do business with tell you how to run your business? MS
cannot offend its large business partners and if you believe otherwise, you
live in a different world than I do. In my view, it is the OEMs that need
to be held accountable by their customers. Money talks!!!! Alan says that
Dell has changed its ways and maybe my complaint and those from other
customers played a role in that decision.

Hitting the road--will check back in next week. Have a great weekend
everybody. I'm outta here !!!!!

 

[Patrick Keenan]

Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated public
newsgroup.

As to the reason "Mirelle posted here in the first place, "Mirelle" has me
confused with someone else of the same name. "Mirelle" is a supporter of
many Holocaust Denier "revisionist" and "9/11 truth" causes, apparently as
long as she thinks they denigrate Jews or challenge the validity of Israel.
And if you challenge those people, "Mirelle" may decide you're a target for
various attempts at smearing, some coming quite close to being legally
actionable.

But like so many of the supporters of those causes, "Mirelle" isn't all that
bright. "Mirelle" is here to demonstrate an inability to grasp the concept
that there are many people with the same name.

-pk

 

[Bob I]

As to the reason "Mirelle posted here in the first place, "Mirelle" has
me confused with someone else of the same name. "Mirelle" is a
supporter of many Holocaust Denier "revisionist" and "9/11 truth"
causes, apparently as long as she thinks they denigrate Jews or
challenge the validity of Israel. And if you challenge those people,
"Mirelle" may decide you're a target for various attempts at smearing,
some coming quite close to being legally actionable.

But like so many of the supporters of those causes, "Mirelle" isn't all
that bright. "Mirelle" is here to demonstrate an inability to grasp
the concept that there are many people with the same name.

-pk

And here I thought Mirelle was just another nutjob with access to a
computer.