Windows reports Wrong CPU Speed.

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Noozer

Yeah. As I said in another post, on the surface it seems obvious that they
intend to deceive people. Why else call the processor something other than
what it is already known by?

AMD Pro 3100A+ MB... It a "Pro 3100A+" mainboard that uses an AMD CPU...

Same as a P4 P4C800E mainboard that Asus sells... It's a P4C800E mainboard
that uses a P4 CPU.

I still think it's slimy... What about the PC Chips mainboard with the
700Mhz Via/Cyrix "Gigapro" CPU's built in? Doesn't "Gigapro" imply 1000Mhz?

....I'll avoid PC Chips for sure.
 
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spodosaurus

Mutley said:
I have a AMD Pro 3100A+ Processor running on a PC Chips M825G MainBoard.
( http://tinyurl.com/47fus ) with 1GB of DDR.

Windows reports it as a AMD Athlon XP 2000+
Does anyone know why?

BTW, its running at 1.67GHz and its not clocked.

It's the bus speed setting. It's currently at 266. You want it at 333. I
downloaded the manual for you and looked it up. You can download the
manual from here:

http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Pr...uID=24&LanID=0&DetailID=283&DetailName=Manual

The answer you want is on page 29 of that download: jumpers should be on
pins 2 and 3 for both jp3 and jp4.

Is the CPU a Sempron 3100+? I ask, because AMD didn't make any Athlons
at 3100.
 
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spodosaurus

spodosaurus said:
It's the bus speed setting. It's currently at 266. You want it at 333. I
downloaded the manual for you and looked it up. You can download the
manual from here:

http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Pr...uID=24&LanID=0&DetailID=283&DetailName=Manual


The answer you want is on page 29 of that download: jumpers should be on
pins 2 and 3 for both jp3 and jp4.

Is the CPU a Sempron 3100+? I ask, because AMD didn't make any Athlons
at 3100.

Judging by David Maynard's post, it sounds like you've been scammed. Is
your CPU soldered onto the board?
 
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David Maynard

~misfit~ said:
I see all of the sites. except the Canadian one, state either what AMD XP
rating it is or the speed in Mhz.

The issue was you contending, by anecdotal evidence of your talking
buddies, that they were only sold in the U.S.. That's clearly not the case.

Btw, PCChips ALSO states the speed in MHz.

Sounds very American-in-an-election-frenzy.

'America' does lots of nutty things in politics, not that anyone else is
all that 'wonderful' either (I've switched from Monty Python to the British
Parliament for amusement) but this one is unusually bizarre in that the
nuts are openly nutty.
Sounds like CBS got really
sucked in.

That would be just 'surprising', or maybe not so surprising. What makes it
ludicrous is the blatantly irrational defense.
 
L

Lee Waun

You're missing a hoot of a story then. CBS decided to break a 'big story'
about George Bush's 30 year old National Guard duty (don't ask who cares)
and all indications are the documents they put up as 'evidence' were
faked.

The excuses they're using run the entire gamut of loony; my favorite being
that the experts who told them they were no good and to not use them
didn't protest loud enough.

So far, every expert on the planet has indicated they're fake, except for
a fellah who was a typewriter salesman 30 years ago that CBS seems to
really love, and the people supposedly quoted in the documents have
disavowed them, and the quotes.

But CBS "stands by the story."

Must be a 'Captain goes down with the ship' sort of thing cause it's
sinking like a rock tied to lead weights.


Ha ha that is funny.

GW doesn't have a war record. He was a stoned cocaine rich boy that
chickened out of vietnam and spent his time getting stoned while real men
like Kerry served in Vietnam by volunteering to go.
 
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David Maynard

Noozer said:
AMD Pro 3100A+ MB... It a "Pro 3100A+" mainboard that uses an AMD CPU...

Yes, as I mentioned in another post I am aware of the 'type' of 'defense'
they might make but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a valid one.

'Intent' to misrepresent, even if one can argue the 'words' used are
'technically true', is generally still prima facie fraud, at least in most
of the U.S..

A rather amusing example I recall was in the form of a 'scam', if you will,
where the seller guaranteed his product would "cut your bills in half."
Send your money in and he sent you a pair of 10 cent kiddie scissors (snip,
snip, snip).

His defense was that he hadn't promised you'd pay less money; that he had
promised it would 'cut your bills in half' and, by golly, those 10 cent
sizzors *will*, physically, 'cut your bills in half'. Promise made: promise
kept.

The court was not amused.

And I'd argue that there's not even anything 'technically true' in the
PCChips nomenclature.

I would imagine, however, their real defense would be that if you bother to
look it up on their web site they 'disclose' what the 'real' processor is.
Same as a P4 P4C800E mainboard that Asus sells... It's a P4C800E mainboard
that uses a P4 CPU.

Except the Asus name doesn't misrepresent the processor and the numbers, at
least in that case, actually mean something consistent with the industry
(it supports the 800MHz data rate FSB and P4 processors).

The point is, it's apparent the nomenclature does not intentionally seek to
'fool' the buyer into thinking it's something it's not.
I still think it's slimy... What about the PC Chips mainboard with the
700Mhz Via/Cyrix "Gigapro" CPU's built in? Doesn't "Gigapro" imply 1000Mhz?

Of course.

PCChips has a long history of inventing, IMO, intentionally misleading
'brand names'.
 
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David Maynard

Lee said:
Ha ha that is funny.

GW doesn't have a war record. He was a stoned cocaine rich boy that
chickened out of vietnam and spent his time getting stoned while real men
like Kerry served in Vietnam by volunteering to go.

I'm not going to argue Kerry v Bush in this context since it's irrelevant
to CBS going to air without properly vetting what, by all appearances, are
apparently fake forged documents and their ludicrous defense of it.
 
K

kony

AMD Pro 3100A+ MB... It a "Pro 3100A+" mainboard that uses an AMD CPU...

Same as a P4 P4C800E mainboard that Asus sells... It's a P4C800E mainboard
that uses a P4 CPU.

I still think it's slimy... What about the PC Chips mainboard with the
700Mhz Via/Cyrix "Gigapro" CPU's built in? Doesn't "Gigapro" imply 1000Mhz?

It's not a "AMD Pro3100A+" mainboard that uses an AMD CPU.
PCChips and ECS both refer to the motherboard model, for
example:

PCChips has a "M825LU (V7.2c)"
http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?DetailID=243

ECS has "L7VMM3"
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?DetailID=418

LOL, the links look pretty similar don't they? Main question
is whether you like purple or red.


The sellers are restating what PCChips did, marketing it
similar to "... with AMD Athlon Pro 3100A+ on Board". They
are renaming the CPU.
 
T

Tony Hill

AMD has absolutely no control over this. And there's nothing legally wrong
with what PC Chips does.

The word "Athlon" is a registered trademark of AMD, and PC Chips is
stomping all over that trademark. If called the chip a "PC Chips
SuperCPU 3100A+", there would be very little that AMD could do.
However they aren't, they're calling it an "AMD Athlon Pro 3100A+",
and that is definitely a trademark infringement.
Deceptive I would agree with, but they do list
the CPU's used in their "Pro system" right on their web page. So if you
buy an AMD Pro 3100A+ MB thinking you're getting an AMD XP 3100+ cpu which
isn't even a real number, then you have nothing to blame but your own lack
of research into what you are buying.

True, but AMD must know that a lot of people will be taken in by this
and it will tarnish their reputation, regardless of whether it's
really PC Chips at fault or not. As mentioned above, Intel would
*NEVER* allow such a thing to happen, they protect their trademarks
rather strongly.
 
O

Overlord

Yeah? And why does everyone just automatically assume it's "certain
companies in the USA"? Looks to me like this is a PCChips 'exclusive' in
a long like of 'Pro' exclusives, like their "BX Pro" (also BXcel and BXToo
and BXPert) that wasn't a BX chipset and the "TX Pro" and "TX Pro II" that
weren't TX chipsets, not to mention the infamous "PC100 Pro" that didn't
support a 100Mhz FSB. "Pro" seems to be the PCChips code word for "we're
lying."
Let us not forget the alltime great PCChips marketing lies
The PCChips faked processor speeds and faked BIOS speed rating;

http://www.computershopper.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=23063

The PCChips fake L2 cache (plastic chips that had plastic leads and were hollow
inside);

http://www.redhill.net.au/b-bad.html

For all I know they may have turned around and make a decent product now.
But for a long time they used cheap low end cut rate components and deceptive if not
outright illegal marketing practices. Their boards were famous for being very
quirky and unstable and the mention of a PCChips board would send chills up
a computer tech's spine. Myself I know little about PCChips boards first hand.
However, PCChips motherboards are sold under a variety of other names.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
Just for the record, PCChips is not a 'U.S. company'.

http://www.7bytes.com/sys1s.cgi?035+BBAM102

Those people may be selling it but they warn you about it too.
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David Maynard

Overlord said:
Let us not forget the alltime great PCChips marketing lies
The PCChips faked processor speeds and faked BIOS speed rating;

http://www.computershopper.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=23063

Yeah, that's the 'PC100 Pro' I was referring to.
The PCChips fake L2 cache (plastic chips that had plastic leads and were hollow
inside);

http://www.redhill.net.au/b-bad.html

For all I know they may have turned around and make a decent product now.
But for a long time they used cheap low end cut rate components and deceptive if not
outright illegal marketing practices. Their boards were famous for being very
quirky and unstable and the mention of a PCChips board would send chills up
a computer tech's spine. Myself I know little about PCChips boards first hand.
However, PCChips motherboards are sold under a variety of other names.
Be afraid, be very afraid.

Just for the record, PCChips is not a 'U.S. company'.

http://www.7bytes.com/sys1s.cgi?035+BBAM102

Those people may be selling it but they warn you about it too.

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