Windows ME, Windows XP, and printers

M

midwest_46

Hi. I have a Gateway computer with the following: 1) a 1400-MHz
Pentium 4 processor, 2) 256 MB of RAM, and 3) 40 GB of hard-drive
space.

The computer is running Windows Millennium Edition (ME).

-----

I've had this computer for years, and I never bought a printer for it.
Now, I am interested in buying a printer. Unfortunately, I have found
out that some printers that are currently on the market may be
incompatible with the Windows ME operating system.

So, my first question is the following: Which printers currently on
the market are compatible with Windows ME?

-----

If no printers are compatible, then that leaves me with two other
options:

1) Upgrade my Windows ME operating system to Windows XP Home Edition.
This would involve buying the UPGRADE version of XP Home, NOT the full
version.

A friend has told me that installing the upgrade version would mean
that the XP Home would be installed on top of the ME. This would
result in two operating systems being on one computer, which would
mean an unstable computer.

2) Format my hard drive, thereby erasing the hard drive. Then install
the full version of XP Home.

This is what my friend recommends. However, I feel that this solution
is a little extreme.
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Hi. I have a Gateway computer with the following: 1) a 1400-MHz
Pentium 4 processor, 2) 256 MB of RAM, and 3) 40 GB of hard-drive
space.

The computer is running Windows Millennium Edition (ME).

-----

I've had this computer for years, and I never bought a printer for it.
Now, I am interested in buying a printer. Unfortunately, I have found
out that some printers that are currently on the market may be
incompatible with the Windows ME operating system.

So, my first question is the following: Which printers currently on
the market are compatible with Windows ME?

-----

If no printers are compatible, then that leaves me with two other
options:

1) Upgrade my Windows ME operating system to Windows XP Home Edition.
This would involve buying the UPGRADE version of XP Home, NOT the full
version.

A friend has told me that installing the upgrade version would mean
that the XP Home would be installed on top of the ME. This would
result in two operating systems being on one computer, which would
mean an unstable computer.

2) Format my hard drive, thereby erasing the hard drive. Then install
the full version of XP Home.

This is what my friend recommends. However, I feel that this solution
is a little extreme.

If you want a good answer for the WinME part of your question then
you should cross-post it to a WinME newsgroup.

The upgrade version of WinXP lets you do one of three things:
a) upgrade your existing WinME installation to WinXP
b) install a clean version of WinXP
c) install a dual-boot version.
The choice is yours. My preference would be option b) because
it gives you the most stable and robust installation. However, you
would have to re-install all applications.
 
B

Bill in Co.

You can still get a printer that will work with your Windows ME system, but
it will, no doubt, be a USB printer (parallel port printers are becoming
scarce). Just check out the specs and what is available in google, or at
the various printer sites, like HP.

Upgrading to XP is a bigger step, and you are too low in RAM, (and somewhat
on disk space), to do that very well at this point.

If you do upgrade, XP will replace ME. Your friend is right in that a
clean install is always best. If you have a full 40 GB of FREE hard drive
space, that would be enough, however. But again, 256 MB or RAM is
extremely marginal (at best) - that should be upgraded (to at least 512 MB).
 
J

Joan Archer

I have a WinME computer running here on my network. It is not used as much
now as it was my daughters and she has left home but it runs very well.

It is a 800 MHz with 256 MB RAM on a 20 GB hard drive, I used to use it in a
dual boot with XP Home at one time before getting another machine.

It has an Epson printer attached to it, OK it's an old printer but if you
only want an inkjet I think most of them will work with WinME.
 
H

HeyBub

Hi. I have a Gateway computer with the following: 1) a 1400-MHz
Pentium 4 processor, 2) 256 MB of RAM, and 3) 40 GB of hard-drive
space.

The computer is running Windows Millennium Edition (ME).

-----

I've had this computer for years, and I never bought a printer for it.
Now, I am interested in buying a printer. Unfortunately, I have found
out that some printers that are currently on the market may be
incompatible with the Windows ME operating system.

So, my first question is the following: Which printers currently on
the market are compatible with Windows ME?

-----

If no printers are compatible, then that leaves me with two other
options:

1) Upgrade my Windows ME operating system to Windows XP Home Edition.
This would involve buying the UPGRADE version of XP Home, NOT the full
version.

A friend has told me that installing the upgrade version would mean
that the XP Home would be installed on top of the ME. This would
result in two operating systems being on one computer, which would
mean an unstable computer.

2) Format my hard drive, thereby erasing the hard drive. Then install
the full version of XP Home.

This is what my friend recommends. However, I feel that this solution
is a little extreme.


With friends like that...

There are literally thousands of printers that will work with ME.

Most printers today connect via a Universal Serial Buss (USB) port - don't
want. Virtually any printer that connects via a parallel (or serial) port
will work with ME. There are many ("printer+parallel") printers available on
Ebay. If push comes to shove, you can get a parallel to USB cable to drive a
USB-only printer.

If you upgrade to XP, you will have XP. You will NOT have ME *and* XP...
you'll have XP only.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

What does any of this have to do with Windows Update? Note that it's not
called "Windows Upgrade" newsgroup.

Hi. I have a Gateway computer with the following: 1) a 1400-MHz
Pentium 4 processor, 2) 256 MB of RAM, and 3) 40 GB of hard-drive
space.

The computer is running Windows Millennium Edition (ME).
<snip>
 
B

Bill in Co.

HeyBub said:
With friends like that...

There are literally thousands of printers that will work with ME.

Most printers today connect via a Universal Serial Buss (USB) port - don't
want.

Why not?
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Hi. I have a Gateway computer with the following: 1) a 1400-MHz
Pentium 4 processor, 2) 256 MB of RAM, and 3) 40 GB of hard-drive
space.

The computer is running Windows Millennium Edition (ME).

-----

I've had this computer for years, and I never bought a printer for it.
Now, I am interested in buying a printer. Unfortunately, I have found
out that some printers that are currently on the market may be
incompatible with the Windows ME operating system.

So, my first question is the following: Which printers currently on
the market are compatible with Windows ME?


There are many, but I have no idea which. Check the printer
manufacturers's web sites. Or in Windows Me, go to Control Panel |
Printers | Add Printer, and you will find a long list of supported
printers. Then Google them to see what you can buy.

If no printers are compatible,



That is *certainly* not true. There will be *many* compatible
printers.

then that leaves me with two other
options:

1) Upgrade my Windows ME operating system to Windows XP Home Edition.
This would involve buying the UPGRADE version of XP Home, NOT the full
version.


No. You *can* buy either the Full Retail or Upgrade versions. You
*should* however, buy the Upgrade, since it's much less expensive and
would meet your needs.


A friend has told me that installing the upgrade version would mean
that the XP Home would be installed on top of the ME.


Your friend is *not* correct. You could do that or you could clean
install the Upgrade.

The requirement to use an upgrade version is to *own* a previous
qualifying version's installation CD (with an OEM restore CD, see
below), not to have it installed. When setup doesn't find a previous
qualifying version installed, it will prompt you to insert its CD as
proof of ownership. Just insert the previous version's CD, and follow
the prompts. Everything proceeds quite normally and quite
legitimately.

You can also do a clean installation if you have an OEM restore CD of
a previous qualifying version. It's more complicated, but it *can* be
done. First restore from the Restore CD. Then run the XP upgrade CD
from within that restored system, and change from Upgrade to New
Install. When it asks where, press Esc to delete the partition and
start over.


This would
result in two operating systems being on one computer,


No, it doesn't mean that at all. You can do a clean installation or an
over-the-top upgrade. Neither results in two operating systems being
on the computer. The upgrade results in XP replacing Me, and very
little of the old Me is kept.

You *could* also do a side-by-side installation, which would result in
both being there at once, but it doesn't at all sound like that's what
you want.


which would
mean an unstable computer.


Nope, not at all. None of the three options (clean installation,
upgrade, or side-by-side) should result in an unstable computer.

2) Format my hard drive, thereby erasing the hard drive. Then install
the full version of XP Home.

This is what my friend recommends. However, I feel that this solution
is a little extreme.


Your friend is very much wrong. The Full version is not required to do
this, as I said above. If you do decide to go to XP, buy the Upgrade
version and do an upgrade installation. Although many people will tell
you that formatting and installing cleanly is the best way to go, I
disagree. Unlike with previous versions of Windows, an upgrade to XP
replaces almost everything, and usually works very well.

My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much
easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and
reinstall cleanly if problems develop.

However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need
to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to
upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden
power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the loss of
everything. For that reason you should make sure you have backups and
anything else you need to reinstall if the worst happens.

One more point: if you do decide to upgrade to XP, be aware that your
computer is close to the bottom range of hardware that will support XP
adequately. How much RAM you need for good performance varies. You get
good performance if the amount of RAM you have keeps you from using
the page file, and that depends on what apps you run. Most people
running a typical range of business applications find that somewhere
around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone will see
poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly those
doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a
performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more.

So, depending on your needs, you may find that you need to upgrade
your RAM. Also note that a 40GB hard drive is *tiny* these days, and
you may quickly outgrow it if you run XP.

Finally, if you need to buy more RAM, a new hard drive, and a copy of
Windows XP, you may find that the best and least expensive way to do
this is to buy a whole new inexpensive computer from a vendor like
Dell or Gateway.

But if you are happy with your current computer and operating system,
clearly the easiest and least expensive way to go is to buy one of the
many available printers that will work with Me.
 
C

Colin Barnhorst

1) No. Both the upgrade and standard editions have upgrade functionality.
The word "upgrade" on the package refers to the license, not the
functionality. An upgrade edition license requires you to own a Windows
license that is eligible for upgrade to XP (called "in the upgrade matrix",
which ME is). A standard license does require anything. XP Home will
replace ME on the hardrive whether you use an upgrade or standard license or
installation method.

2) I agree with your friend about deleting and then formatting the
partition before installing XP. My own experiences with upgrading from ME
to XP indicate that this is a good idea. I did not get very stable XP
systems in a couple of cases by simply doing an upgrade. However, you need
to have your ME disk if you do it this way. If you have lost the disk then
I recommend that you buy a standard edition of XP (not upgrade) and do a
clean installation of XP.

While new printers generally do not come with drivers for Windows 9x/ME,
there are thousands of printers still available that do. If you want to
continue to run ME then check your ME installation for supported printers as
others have suggested and then buy one from a source such as eBay as needed.

Your computer specs indicated that XP would be a choice of an operating
system. ME is no longer supported by MS, meaning you will never get any
more security patches, so it is reasonable for you to upgrade anyway.
 
P

Paulps

I dont think many hp printers will work as they dont seem to have any
drivers older than xp or 2000
| Hi. I have a Gateway computer with the following: 1) a 1400-MHz
| Pentium 4 processor, 2) 256 MB of RAM, and 3) 40 GB of hard-drive
| space.
|
| The computer is running Windows Millennium Edition (ME).
|
| -----
|
| I've had this computer for years, and I never bought a printer for it.
| Now, I am interested in buying a printer. Unfortunately, I have found
| out that some printers that are currently on the market may be
| incompatible with the Windows ME operating system.
|
| So, my first question is the following: Which printers currently on
| the market are compatible with Windows ME?
|
| -----
|
| If no printers are compatible, then that leaves me with two other
| options:
|
| 1) Upgrade my Windows ME operating system to Windows XP Home Edition.
| This would involve buying the UPGRADE version of XP Home, NOT the full
| version.
|
| A friend has told me that installing the upgrade version would mean
| that the XP Home would be installed on top of the ME. This would
| result in two operating systems being on one computer, which would
| mean an unstable computer.
|
| 2) Format my hard drive, thereby erasing the hard drive. Then install
| the full version of XP Home.
|
| This is what my friend recommends. However, I feel that this solution
| is a little extreme.
|
| -----
|
| So, please tell me which printers are compatible with Windows ME. Or,
| please advise me on the best way to get XP Home. Thank you.
|
|
|
 
P

Patrick Keenan

Hi. I have a Gateway computer with the following: 1) a 1400-MHz
Pentium 4 processor, 2) 256 MB of RAM, and 3) 40 GB of hard-drive
space.

The computer is running Windows Millennium Edition (ME).

-----

I've had this computer for years, and I never bought a printer for it.
Now, I am interested in buying a printer. Unfortunately, I have found
out that some printers that are currently on the market may be
incompatible with the Windows ME operating system.

The issue is really not with compatibility, it is with driver availability.

If the printer manufacturer does not make Win9x or ME drivers, you can't use
the printer with ME.

There is another issue, and it actually is a compatibility issue, but it's
hardware and has nothing to do with the OS version.

Many new printers do not have parallel printer ports, only USB ports or
network ports. If your system doesn't have any or enough USB ports, you
have to add them. USB cards are not expensive, but for ME you may have to
install drivers.
So, my first question is the following: Which printers currently on
the market are compatible with Windows ME?

You need to do this research yourself as it is influenced by what is
available to you.

Fewer and fewer printers will have ME drivers written, because there is only
a small and ever-declining market. In short, driver development is
expensive and writing ME drivers isn't going to sell very many units.

Look at the printers that are available to you, and look at the Windows
versions supported.

That said, some Samsung printers do support Win 9x and ME. For example,
the ML-2010 R, which in Canada sells for around $150, has ME drivers.

-----

If no printers are compatible, then that leaves me with two other
options:

1) Upgrade my Windows ME operating system to Windows XP Home Edition.
This would involve buying the UPGRADE version of XP Home, NOT the full
version.

If you have an ME install CD and want to move to XP, buy the XP Home Upgrade
version. Save the ME CD, you will need it later.
A friend has told me that installing the upgrade version would mean
that the XP Home would be installed on top of the ME. This would
result in two operating systems being on one computer, which would
mean an unstable computer.

This is incorrect. It will result in one OS installed, not two, and it can
be very stable if done correctly.

An upgrade install removes the previous install, though it may back it up so
it can be restored.

XP disks come with an "upgrade advisor" and you *really* need to run this
and pay attention to the results. There was an amount of common software,
like anti-virus, that absolutely had to be removed PRIOR to the upgrade.
Failure to do so could result in Windows being unable to start.

Use this tool. It's extremely helpful and can save you major grief.
2) Format my hard drive, thereby erasing the hard drive. Then install
the full version of XP Home.

You can do this with the XP Home Upgrade version *as long as* you have the
ME CD available to you. Upgrade CDs *can do* clean installs to formatted
or brand-new hard disks. You just have to feed in the qualifier CD, the ME
install CD, when asked. Nothing to it, as long as you have that CD.
This is what my friend recommends. However, I feel that this solution
is a little extreme.

The list is too long and much depends on what is sold in your area. You
need to do some shopping and research. This isn't a hidden detail.

Go to the pages for any printer that catches your eye, and look for support
and driver downloads. If you don't see Wn9x / ME drivers, move on. Don't
take the drivers from other sources.
Or, please advise me on the best way to get XP Home. Thank you.

If you want to upgrade to XP Home, buy an upgrade version at a retail
outlet, run the Upgrade Advisor, and do what it tells you. BACK UP all
your documents before starting the upgrade process.

You might also benefit from adding a bit more RAM, to 512 meg.

HTH
-pk
 
P

Patrick Keenan

HeyBub said:
With friends like that...

There are literally thousands of printers that will work with ME.

Most printers today connect via a Universal Serial Buss (USB) port - don't
want.

I really can't think of any good reason to reject a printer based on this
criteria if the OS is WinME, certainly not any performance or reliablilty
reasons.

USB printing works probably better than using a parallel or serial cable,
and as well as printing using a network cable. And the cables are cheaper
and easier to get.

If the system can't physically connect to the USB printer, get a USB card.
These are cheap and reliable.
Virtually any printer that connects via a parallel (or serial) port will
work with ME. There are many ("printer+parallel") printers available on
Ebay.

Why buy a used printer of unknown history when there are many excellent and
inexpensve new ones available, that don't carry large shipping charges and
do carry warranties?
If push comes to shove, you can get a parallel to USB cable to drive a
USB-only printer.

Or you can just use a USB cable and if necessary pop in a USB 2 card. These
cards are under $20.

HTH
-pk
 
A

Al Dykes

Hi. I have a Gateway computer with the following: 1) a 1400-MHz
Pentium 4 processor, 2) 256 MB of RAM, and 3) 40 GB of hard-drive
space.

The computer is running Windows Millennium Edition (ME).

-----

I've had this computer for years, and I never bought a printer for it.
Now, I am interested in buying a printer. Unfortunately, I have found
out that some printers that are currently on the market may be
incompatible with the Windows ME operating system.

So, my first question is the following: Which printers currently on
the market are compatible with Windows ME?




Look at the cheap HP, Samsung, and Brother printer that have ethernet
interfaces. Check out the spec sheet for "ME" support.

I know they support 98. I just never worked with ME and don't know if
it's got W/98-like networking.

Support for network printing in w2k and XP is standard. 98 requires
vendor software. HP used to call it HPJetAdmin.

I'm talking about the LPR/LPRd print server that is built into any
Ethernet print adapter I've seen in the last 10 years. The setup
method and terminology for each OS is so different that you wouldn't
know it came from the same company. None of them are hard.

All the PCs talk right to the printer. You can have multiple printers
and there is no Windows box acting as a print server. It's my
favorite way of setting up a shared printer.
 
U

Unknown

Weird; coming from you! I.E. So what?
PA Bear said:
What does any of this have to do with Windows Update? Note that it's not
called "Windows Upgrade" newsgroup.


<snip>
 
N

Norman

As said, you are near the bottom end for a computer to support XP.
With that small amount of RAM and HDD, I can only guess what apps you run
are not in need of a lot of power. Knowing might be helpful.
Depending upon what RAM the machine uses you might be able to find some
cheaply and HDD's are cheap these days, but beware the size limit with WME
of around 124GB. You can buy a bigger one but will have to set the limit
with the HDD utilities upon install and will not be able to use the
remainder of it until you upgrade to XP. Also, WME does not support SATA
drives, and it is likely your MOBO does not either.
Before deciding upon going to XP, make sure you have drivers. Download them
from Gateway for your MOBO. And then check the manufacturer of any other
Hardware you have for updated drivers. This would include drivers for video
card, network card, modem, audio, etc., any card that is plugged into the
MOBO, as well as external items that work via one of the ports. (USB, com,
parallel)
And check your software to make sure it is compatible as well. Sometimes it
will work, sometimes not, regardless of how it is labeled so you might want
to Google it.
And I think there is a utility you can download from MS that will check your
system before upgrading. I know there was on my CD and even though I
followed it I've run into a couple of snags. This checking is very important
because as in my case I remembered some notes concerning my Canon scanner
and checked before upgrading. Even though the same driver package is run, it
likely installs different files, and to get the correct files installed, it
is a MUST that the driver is uninstalled prior to upgrade and then the
package is run again after the upgrade.
The upgrade from WME has not been as smooth as suggested on the install CD.
I'm now working through the second attempt and have not checked yet, but
Sonic and Nero were locking up when attempting to use the first time around.

Good Luck.
Norman
 

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