Windows Explorer

R

Robert Davies

I am sure that this topic will have been raised before but
I am not a regular browser of this group.

The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to browse
drives that contain large numbers of multimedia files.

My business includes the provision of non-copywrite images
to specialist engineering/technical publications and
companies and as a result I have very large numbers of
image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well as a
smaller number of animated and video files. For easy
recovery, the files are extensively sorted and categorised
into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless it is
commonplace to have a folder containing in excess of
10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB) has 10 GB
of space and contains nothing other than image files (in
excess of 500,000 when I last counted).

Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer can be
agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that this is
due to Explorer carrying out some preview or parsing
operation on every multimedia file. I can for wait up to
5 minutes at times to access some of the folders and when
Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the display, I
go off and have a cup of coffee!

Is there any way to change this behaviour without having
to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on my
previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar numbers of
files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400 2Mhz, 512 MB
RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.

Thanks in advance.
 
R

Robert Davies

Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use the 'Detail'
view regularly, although I have found that when I do, it
makes very little difference to the time taken. You still
spend several minutes staring at a white screen !

Robert
 
J

Joe Wu [MSFT]

Hello,

Thank you for your posts.

Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit longer than normal to list
a large number of objects in a folder. If possible, I would like to suggest
that you classify these image files to more subfolders.

In the meantime, please help me check the following:

1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer, press the F8 key when the
boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot up) and check if the issue
still occurs.

2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and check how fast the files are
displayed.

3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to another Windows XP machine
and check how well it works.

Thanks for your time and cooperation.

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

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|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use the 'Detail'
|view regularly, although I have found that when I do, it
|makes very little difference to the time taken. You still
|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|
|Robert
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hi,
|>
|>Try this:
|>
|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_detailed_v
|i
|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>
|>Regards,
|>
|>Tim
|>
|>>-----Original Message-----
|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised before
|>but
|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>>
|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to browse
|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia files.
|>>
|>>My business includes the provision of non-copywrite
|>images
|>>to specialist engineering/technical publications and
|>>companies and as a result I have very large numbers of
|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well as a
|>>smaller number of animated and video files. For easy
|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>categorised
|>>into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless it is
|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in excess of
|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB) has 10
|>GB
|>>of space and contains nothing other than image files (in
|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>>
|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer can be
|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that this is
|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or parsing
|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for wait up
|to
|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the folders and
|when
|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the display, I
|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>>
|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour without having
|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on my
|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar numbers
|>of
|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400 2Mhz, 512
|>MB
|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>>
|>>Thanks in advance.
|>>.
|>>
|>.
|>
|
 
M

Malcolm

-----Original Message-----
Hello,

Thank you for your posts.

Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit longer than normal to list
a large number of objects in a folder. If possible, I would like to suggest
that you classify these image files to more subfolders.

In the meantime, please help me check the following:

1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer, press the F8 key when the
boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot up) and check if the issue
still occurs.

2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and check how fast the files are
displayed.

3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to another Windows XP machine
and check how well it works.

Thanks for your time and cooperation.

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

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|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use the 'Detail'
|view regularly, although I have found that when I do, it
|makes very little difference to the time taken. You still
|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|
|Robert
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hi,
|>
|>Try this:
|>
|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_detailed _v
|i
|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>
|>Regards,
|>
|>Tim
|>
|>>-----Original Message-----
|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised before
|>but
|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>>
|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to browse
|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia files.
|>>
|>>My business includes the provision of non-copywrite
|>images
|>>to specialist engineering/technical publications and
|>>companies and as a result I have very large numbers of
|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well as a
|>>smaller number of animated and video files. For easy
|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>categorised
|>>into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless it is
|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in excess of
|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB) has 10
|>GB
|>>of space and contains nothing other than image files (in
|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>>
|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer can be
|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that this is
|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or parsing
|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for wait up
|to
|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the folders and
|when
|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the display, I
|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>>
|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour without having
|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on my
|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar numbers
|>of
|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400 2Mhz, 512
|>MB
|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>>
|>>Thanks in advance.
|>>.
|>>
|>.
|>
|

.
Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
. Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)

Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM




Rich Touart said:
Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to display in folder view
and act erratically. Please see the image at
http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg

I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I have changed video cards
from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried different monitors.

Any input appreciated, thanks

Rich
http://www.touart.com
I found the answer in an earlier post from John Inzer.
Thanks!

"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
then click OK"

I am a professional photographer with ten's of thousands
of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to the same
question. You only have to do this to one file and it
changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
 
R

Robert Davies

Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for Christmas.
Thanks for all the posts.

I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
results. I have used the single largest folder that I
have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of Drive
D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders and 0
files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !

To read the folder for the first time, Windows Explorer
takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3 minutes
and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it several
times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely need
to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the timings
would be for that.

I do not have access to another XP machine so I cannot try
the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say that
this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE and was
formatted FAT32. Its response time with an identical
folder structure and identical numbers of files was almost
instantaneous (which is why I believe that this problem is
NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I stripped
everything off the disk and low-level formatted it to NTFS
so there is no residue that might be affecting its
performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive D is
used solely for data and there are no system files on it.

Robert
-----Original Message-----
-----Original Message-----
Hello,

Thank you for your posts.

Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit longer than normal to list
a large number of objects in a folder. If possible, I would like to suggest
that you classify these image files to more subfolders.

In the meantime, please help me check the following:

1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer, press the F8 key when the
boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot up) and check if the issue
still occurs.

2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and check how fast the files are
displayed.

3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to another Windows XP machine
and check how well it works.

Thanks for your time and cooperation.

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

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|
|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use the 'Detail'
|view regularly, although I have found that when I do, it
|makes very little difference to the time taken. You still
|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|
|Robert
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hi,
|>
|>Try this:
|>
|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_detaile
d
_v
|i
|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>
|>Regards,
|>
|>Tim
|>
|>>-----Original Message-----
|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised before
|>but
|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>>
|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to browse
|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia files.
|>>
|>>My business includes the provision of non-copywrite
|>images
|>>to specialist engineering/technical publications and
|>>companies and as a result I have very large numbers of
|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well as a
|>>smaller number of animated and video files. For easy
|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>categorised
|>>into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless it is
|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in excess of
|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB) has 10
|>GB
|>>of space and contains nothing other than image files (in
|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>>
|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer can be
|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that this is
|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or parsing
|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for wait up
|to
|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the folders and
|when
|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
display,
I
|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>>
|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour without having
|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on my
|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar numbers
|>of
|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400 2Mhz, 512
|>MB
|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>>
|>>Thanks in advance.
|>>.
|>>
|>.
|>
|

.
Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
. Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)

Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM




Rich Touart said:
Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to display
in
folder view
and act erratically. Please see the image at
http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg

I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I have changed video cards
from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried different monitors.

Any input appreciated, thanks

Rich
http://www.touart.com
I found the answer in an earlier post from John Inzer.
Thanks!

"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
then click OK"

I am a professional photographer with ten's of thousands
of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to the same
question. You only have to do this to one file and it
changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!

.
 
J

Joe Wu [MSFT]

Hello Robert,

Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the time to perform the tests.

Let's collect more information for further analysis:

1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking the "Generate
Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I think that the suggestion
is reasonable and we can give it a try.

2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating system. I would like to
suggest that we perform the following tests:

1) Please create a new user with Administrators priviliges and then logon
as the newly created user to see if it works. This test can help us isolate
if the problem is related to the user settings.

How to create a new user account:
--------------------------------------------
a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
b. Click Administrative Tools.
c. Click Computer Management.
d. Click Local Users and Groups.
e. Double-click Users.
f. On Action menu, click New User item.
g. Now, please create a new user account.
h. Click Local Users and Groups.
i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the right pane.
j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created user account to the
Administrators group.
l. Logoff and login with the newly created user account.

2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and anti-virus tools,
including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc. Then reboot your
system and try to perform the test to see if the problem occurs. Based on
our experience, these kinds of applications run in the background
monitoring the file system, and may affect the system performance,
especially when the number of the files are very large.

NOTE:
---------------

a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we just disable it, a
lot of drivers are still running in the background and they will cause the
issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
b. After uninstalling these applications, please do NOT surf the Internet
and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your received e-mails.

3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files in your 61 subfolders,
and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a folder. Could let me know
how many files in that folder?

Thanks!

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for Christmas.
|Thanks for all the posts.
|
|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
|results. I have used the single largest folder that I
|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of Drive
|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders and 0
|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
|
|To read the folder for the first time, Windows Explorer
|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3 minutes
|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it several
|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely need
|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the timings
|would be for that.
|
|I do not have access to another XP machine so I cannot try
|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say that
|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE and was
|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an identical
|folder structure and identical numbers of files was almost
|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this problem is
|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I stripped
|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it to NTFS
|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive D is
|used solely for data and there are no system files on it.
|
|Robert
|
|>-----Original Message-----
|>
|>>-----Original Message-----
|>>Hello,
|>>
|>>Thank you for your posts.
|>>
|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit longer
|>than normal to list
|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If possible, I
|>would like to suggest
|>>that you classify these image files to more subfolders.
|>>
|>>In the meantime, please help me check the following:
|>>
|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer, press the
|>F8 key when the
|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot up) and
|>check if the issue
|>>still occurs.
|>>
|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and check how
|>fast the files are
|>>displayed.
|>>
|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to another
|>Windows XP machine
|>>and check how well it works.
|>>
|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
|>>
|>>Regards,
|>>Joe Wu
|>>Product Support Services
|>>Microsoft Corporation
|>>
|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>>
|>>====================================================
|>>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via
|>your newsreader so
|>>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
|>>====================================================
|>>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
|>confers no rights.
|>>
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|>>|Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
|>>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>>|References: <[email protected]>
|>><[email protected]>
|>>|Subject: Windows Explorer
|>>|Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:05:58 -0800
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|>>|
|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use the 'Detail'
|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I do,
|it
|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken. You
|>still
|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|>>|
|>>|Robert
|>>|>-----Original Message-----
|>>|>Hi,
|>>|>
|>>|>Try this:
|>>|>
|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_detaile
|d
|>_v
|>>|i
|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>>|>
|>>|>Regards,
|>>|>
|>>|>Tim
|>>|>
|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
|before
|>>|>but
|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>>|>>
|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to
|>browse
|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia files.
|>>|>>
|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-copywrite
|>>|>images
|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical publications and
|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large numbers
|of
|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well as
|a
|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files. For easy
|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>>|>categorised
|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless it
|>is
|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in excess of
|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB) has
|>10
|>>|>GB
|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image files
|>(in
|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>>|>>
|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer can
|be
|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that this
|>is
|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or parsing
|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for wait
|up
|>>|to
|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the folders and
|>>|when
|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
|display,
|>I
|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>>|>>
|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour without
|>having
|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on my
|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
|>numbers
|>>|>of
|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400 2Mhz,
|>512
|>>|>MB
|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>>|>>
|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
|>>|>>.
|>>|>>
|>>|>.
|>>|>
|>>|
|>>
|>>.
|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
|>
|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
|> From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to display
|in
|>folder view
|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
|>>
|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I have
|>changed video cards
|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried different
|>monitors.
|>>
|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
|>>
|>> Rich
|>> http://www.touart.com
|>>
|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John Inzer.
|>Thanks!
|>
|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
|>then click OK"
|>
|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of thousands
|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to the same
|>question. You only have to do this to one file and it
|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
|>
|>.
|>
|
 
R

Robert Davies

Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests you
suggested.

1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not run
Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such tab
under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop Pro 4
for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
everything I need without the complexities of the newer
versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing. I have
reset the file associations for all image formats to
PaintShop Pro.

2.1 I created a new user account, although I could not
follow the steps you set out as there is no item
for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer Management on
my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts instead.

2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted, logged
on the new account and read the famous directory. No
change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.

3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins 20
seconds to open and display the folder that contains 61
folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time to open
and display each of the 61 folders. These folders contain
anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take about 0.5
seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the largest
take a further 10 seconds.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
Hello Robert,

Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the time to perform the tests.

Let's collect more information for further analysis:

1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking the "Generate
Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I think that the suggestion
is reasonable and we can give it a try.

2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating system. I would like to
suggest that we perform the following tests:

1) Please create a new user with Administrators priviliges and then logon
as the newly created user to see if it works. This test can help us isolate
if the problem is related to the user settings.

How to create a new user account:
--------------------------------------------
a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
b. Click Administrative Tools.
c. Click Computer Management.
d. Click Local Users and Groups.
e. Double-click Users.
f. On Action menu, click New User item.
g. Now, please create a new user account.
h. Click Local Users and Groups.
i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the right pane.
j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created user account to the
Administrators group.
l. Logoff and login with the newly created user account.

2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and anti- virus tools,
including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc. Then reboot your
system and try to perform the test to see if the problem occurs. Based on
our experience, these kinds of applications run in the background
monitoring the file system, and may affect the system performance,
especially when the number of the files are very large.

NOTE:
---------------

a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we just disable it, a
lot of drivers are still running in the background and they will cause the
issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
b. After uninstalling these applications, please do NOT surf the Internet
and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your received e-mails.

3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files in your 61 subfolders,
and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a folder. Could let me know
how many files in that folder?

Thanks!

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for Christmas.
|Thanks for all the posts.
|
|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
|results. I have used the single largest folder that I
|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of Drive
|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders and 0
|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
|
|To read the folder for the first time, Windows Explorer
|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3 minutes
|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it several
|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely need
|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the timings
|would be for that.
|
|I do not have access to another XP machine so I cannot try
|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say that
|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE and was
|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an identical
|folder structure and identical numbers of files was almost
|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this problem is
|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I stripped
|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it to NTFS
|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive D is
|used solely for data and there are no system files on it.
|
|Robert
|
|>-----Original Message-----
|>
|>>-----Original Message-----
|>>Hello,
|>>
|>>Thank you for your posts.
|>>
|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit longer
|>than normal to list
|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If possible, I
|>would like to suggest
|>>that you classify these image files to more subfolders.
|>>
|>>In the meantime, please help me check the following:
|>>
|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer, press the
|>F8 key when the
|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot up) and
|>check if the issue
|>>still occurs.
|>>
|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and check how
|>fast the files are
|>>displayed.
|>>
|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to another
|>Windows XP machine
|>>and check how well it works.
|>>
|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
|>>
|>>Regards,
|>>Joe Wu
|>>Product Support Services
|>>Microsoft Corporation
|>>
|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>>
|>>====================================================
|>>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via
|>your newsreader so
|>>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
|>>====================================================
|>>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
|>confers no rights.
|>>
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|>>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>>|References: <[email protected]>
|>><[email protected]>
|>>|Subject: Windows Explorer
|>>|Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:05:58 -0800
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|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use the 'Detail'
|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I do,
|it
|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken. You
|>still
|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|>>|
|>>|Robert
|>>|>-----Original Message-----
|>>|>Hi,
|>>|>
|>>|>Try this:
|>>|>
|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_detai le
|d
|>_v
|>>|i
|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>>|>
|>>|>Regards,
|>>|>
|>>|>Tim
|>>|>
|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
|before
|>>|>but
|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>>|>>
|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to
|>browse
|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia files.
|>>|>>
|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-copywrite
|>>|>images
|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical publications and
|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large numbers
|of
|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well as
|a
|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files. For easy
|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>>|>categorised
|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless it
|>is
|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in excess of
|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB) has
|>10
|>>|>GB
|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image files
|>(in
|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>>|>>
|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer can
|be
|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that this
|>is
|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or parsing
|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for wait
|up
|>>|to
|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the folders and
|>>|when
|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
|display,
|>I
|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>>|>>
|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour without
|>having
|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on my
|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
|>numbers
|>>|>of
|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400 2Mhz,
|>512
|>>|>MB
|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>>|>>
|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
|>>|>>.
|>>|>>
|>>|>.
|>>|>
|>>|
|>>
|>>.
|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
|>
|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
|> From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to display
|in
|>folder view
|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
|>>
|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I have
|>changed video cards
|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried different
|>monitors.
|>>
|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
|>>
|>> Rich
|>> http://www.touart.com
|>>
|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John Inzer.
|>Thanks!
|>
|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
|>then click OK"
|>
|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of thousands
|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to the same
|>question. You only have to do this to one file and it
|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
|>
|>.
|>
|

.
 
J

Joe Wu [MSFT]

Hello Rebert,

Thank you for your reply.

I think it is not normal that the process lasts 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
Based on the current status, I would like to provide the following
suggestions:

1. Let's install a parallel Windows XP system on a partition with enough
free space and check if the problem occurs in the newly created system. If
not, it indicates that the problem is related to a certain application or
configurations on the current system. (Note: Please do NOT install the
parallel system into the current system partition.)

This can efficiently help us narrow down the problem's scope.

For more information, please refer to:

266465 HOW TO: Perform a Parallel Installation of Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=266465

Note: The above method also applies to Windows XP.

2. Does the problem occur to other folder which contains a large number of
subfolders and common files? If not, I would like to suggest that we
temporarily uninstall the PaintShop Pro software to check if it is related
to this problem.

I look forward to your reply. Thanks!

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests you
|suggested.
|
|1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not run
|Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such tab
|under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop Pro 4
|for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
|everything I need without the complexities of the newer
|versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing. I have
|reset the file associations for all image formats to
|PaintShop Pro.
|
|2.1 I created a new user account, although I could not
|follow the steps you set out as there is no item
|for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer Management on
|my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts instead.
|
|2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted, logged
|on the new account and read the famous directory. No
|change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
|
|3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins 20
|seconds to open and display the folder that contains 61
|folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time to open
|and display each of the 61 folders. These folders contain
|anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take about 0.5
|seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the largest
|take a further 10 seconds.
|
|Robert
|
|
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hello Robert,
|>
|>Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the time to
|perform the tests.
|>
|>Let's collect more information for further analysis:
|>
|>1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking
|the "Generate
|>Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I think
|that the suggestion
|>is reasonable and we can give it a try.
|>
|>2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating system. I
|would like to
|>suggest that we perform the following tests:
|>
|>1) Please create a new user with Administrators
|priviliges and then logon
|>as the newly created user to see if it works. This test
|can help us isolate
|>if the problem is related to the user settings.
|>
|>How to create a new user account:
|>--------------------------------------------
|>a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
|>b. Click Administrative Tools.
|>c. Click Computer Management.
|>d. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>e. Double-click Users.
|>f. On Action menu, click New User item.
|>g. Now, please create a new user account.
|>h. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the
|right pane.
|>j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
|>k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created user
|account to the
|>Administrators group.
|>l. Logoff and login with the newly created user account.
|>
|>2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and anti-
|virus tools,
|>including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc. Then
|reboot your
|>system and try to perform the test to see if the problem
|occurs. Based on
|>our experience, these kinds of applications run in the
|background
|>monitoring the file system, and may affect the system
|performance,
|>especially when the number of the files are very large.
|>
|>NOTE:
|>---------------
|>
|>a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we
|just disable it, a
|>lot of drivers are still running in the background and
|they will cause the
|>issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
|>b. After uninstalling these applications, please do NOT
|surf the Internet
|>and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your received
|e-mails.
|>
|>3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files in
|your 61 subfolders,
|>and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a folder.
|Could let me know
|>how many files in that folder?
|>
|>Thanks!
|>
|>Regards,
|>Joe Wu
|>Product Support Services
|>Microsoft Corporation
|>
|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>
|>====================================================
|>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via
|your newsreader so
|>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
|>====================================================
|>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
|confers no rights.
|>
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|>|References: <[email protected]>
|><[email protected]>
|><[email protected]>
|><[email protected]>
|><[email protected]>
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|>|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for
|Christmas.
|>|Thanks for all the posts.
|>|
|>|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
|>|results. I have used the single largest folder that I
|>|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of
|Drive
|>|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders and
|0
|>|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
|>|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
|>|
|>|To read the folder for the first time, Windows Explorer
|>|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3 minutes
|>|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it several
|>|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
|>|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely need
|>|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the timings
|>|would be for that.
|>|
|>|I do not have access to another XP machine so I cannot
|try
|>|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say that
|>|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE and
|was
|>|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an identical
|>|folder structure and identical numbers of files was
|almost
|>|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this problem
|is
|>|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I stripped
|>|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it to
|NTFS
|>|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
|>|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive D is
|>|used solely for data and there are no system files on it.
|>|
|>|Robert
|>|
|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>
|>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>>Hello,
|>|>>
|>|>>Thank you for your posts.
|>|>>
|>|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit longer
|>|>than normal to list
|>|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If possible, I
|>|>would like to suggest
|>|>>that you classify these image files to more subfolders.
|>|>>
|>|>>In the meantime, please help me check the following:
|>|>>
|>|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer, press
|the
|>|>F8 key when the
|>|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot up)
|and
|>|>check if the issue
|>|>>still occurs.
|>|>>
|>|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and check
|how
|>|>fast the files are
|>|>>displayed.
|>|>>
|>|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to
|another
|>|>Windows XP machine
|>|>>and check how well it works.
|>|>>
|>|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
|>|>>
|>|>>Regards,
|>|>>Joe Wu
|>|>>Product Support Services
|>|>>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>>
|>|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>>
|>|>>====================================================
|>|>>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via
|>|>your newsreader so
|>|>>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
|>|>>====================================================
|>|>>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties,
|and
|>|>confers no rights.
|>|>>
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|>|>>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>|>>|References: <[email protected]>
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|>|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use
|the 'Detail'
|>|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I do,
|>|it
|>|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken. You
|>|>still
|>|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|>|>>|
|>|>>|Robert
|>|>>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>>|>Hi,
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|>Try this:
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_detai
|le
|>|d
|>|>_v
|>|>>|i
|>|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|>Regards,
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|>Tim
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
|>|before
|>|>>|>but
|>|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to
|>|>browse
|>|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia
|files.
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-copywrite
|>|>>|>images
|>|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical publications
|and
|>|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large numbers
|>|of
|>|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well
|as
|>|a
|>|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files. For
|easy
|>|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>|>>|>categorised
|>|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless
|it
|>|>is
|>|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in excess
|of
|>|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB)
|has
|>|>10
|>|>>|>GB
|>|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image
|files
|>|>(in
|>|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer can
|>|be
|>|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that
|this
|>|>is
|>|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or
|parsing
|>|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for wait
|>|up
|>|>>|to
|>|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the folders
|and
|>|>>|when
|>|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
|>|display,
|>|>I
|>|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour without
|>|>having
|>|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on
|my
|>|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
|>|>numbers
|>|>>|>of
|>|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400 2Mhz,
|>|>512
|>|>>|>MB
|>|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
|>|>>|>>.
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>.
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|
|>|>>
|>|>>.
|>|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
|>|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
|>|>
|>|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
|>|> From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
|>|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to display
|>|in
|>|>folder view
|>|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
|>|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
|>|>>
|>|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I have
|>|>changed video cards
|>|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried different
|>|>monitors.
|>|>>
|>|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
|>|>>
|>|>> Rich
|>|>> http://www.touart.com
|>|>>
|>|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John Inzer.
|>|>Thanks!
|>|>
|>|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
|>|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
|>|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
|>|>then click OK"
|>|>
|>|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of
|thousands
|>|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to the
|same
|>|>question. You only have to do this to one file and it
|>|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
|>|>
|>|>.
|>|>
|>|
|>
|>.
|>
|
 
R

Robert Davies

Hi, Joe. I'm back after a very busy period of work which
precluded my following up on your advice. However, I have
now carried out the parallel installation.

I took some time to free up space on the D-drive for the
parallel instal, and defragged the drive twice. (Windows
hasn't let me defrag for a while because there hasn't been
15% free space on the drive.)

When running on the parallel OS, the 'big' folder (which
now contains 0 files and 63 sub-folders, with 212,000
files / 34.3 GB in the sub-folders) now takes 1 minute and
10 seconds to display. This is a great improvement on
what happened previously, but when I went back to the
original Windows installation, I found that that also now
takes 1 minute and 10 seconds, so the improvement must be
down to defragging and not to having a clean Windows setup.

I don't know if you feel that 1 Min 10 is OK for reading a
folder of that size, but the lesson seems to be to defrag
regularly. I would certainly like it to be quicker, but I
can live with the current performance.

By the way, I also uninstalled PaintShop Pro, but that
made no difference at all.

A final question - How do I get rid of the 'extra' Windows
system now ?!

Thanks for your help.

Robert
-----Original Message-----
Hello Rebert,

Thank you for your reply.

I think it is not normal that the process lasts 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
Based on the current status, I would like to provide the following
suggestions:

1. Let's install a parallel Windows XP system on a partition with enough
free space and check if the problem occurs in the newly created system. If
not, it indicates that the problem is related to a certain application or
configurations on the current system. (Note: Please do NOT install the
parallel system into the current system partition.)

This can efficiently help us narrow down the problem's scope.

For more information, please refer to:

266465 HOW TO: Perform a Parallel Installation of Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=266465

Note: The above method also applies to Windows XP.

2. Does the problem occur to other folder which contains a large number of
subfolders and common files? If not, I would like to suggest that we
temporarily uninstall the PaintShop Pro software to check if it is related
to this problem.

I look forward to your reply. Thanks!

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests you
|suggested.
|
|1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not run
|Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such tab
|under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop Pro 4
|for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
|everything I need without the complexities of the newer
|versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing. I have
|reset the file associations for all image formats to
|PaintShop Pro.
|
|2.1 I created a new user account, although I could not
|follow the steps you set out as there is no item
|for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer Management on
|my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts instead.
|
|2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted, logged
|on the new account and read the famous directory. No
|change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
|
|3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins 20
|seconds to open and display the folder that contains 61
|folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time to open
|and display each of the 61 folders. These folders contain
|anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take about 0.5
|seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the largest
|take a further 10 seconds.
|
|Robert
|
|
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hello Robert,
|>
|>Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the time to
|perform the tests.
|>
|>Let's collect more information for further analysis:
|>
|>1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking
|the "Generate
|>Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I think
|that the suggestion
|>is reasonable and we can give it a try.
|>
|>2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating system. I
|would like to
|>suggest that we perform the following tests:
|>
|>1) Please create a new user with Administrators
|priviliges and then logon
|>as the newly created user to see if it works. This test
|can help us isolate
|>if the problem is related to the user settings.
|>
|>How to create a new user account:
|>--------------------------------------------
|>a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
|>b. Click Administrative Tools.
|>c. Click Computer Management.
|>d. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>e. Double-click Users.
|>f. On Action menu, click New User item.
|>g. Now, please create a new user account.
|>h. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the
|right pane.
|>j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
|>k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created user
|account to the
|>Administrators group.
|>l. Logoff and login with the newly created user account.
|>
|>2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and anti-
|virus tools,
|>including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc. Then
|reboot your
|>system and try to perform the test to see if the problem
|occurs. Based on
|>our experience, these kinds of applications run in the
|background
|>monitoring the file system, and may affect the system
|performance,
|>especially when the number of the files are very large.
|>
|>NOTE:
|>---------------
|>
|>a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we
|just disable it, a
|>lot of drivers are still running in the background and
|they will cause the
|>issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
|>b. After uninstalling these applications, please do NOT
|surf the Internet
|>and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your received
|e-mails.
|>
|>3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files in
|your 61 subfolders,
|>and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a folder.
|Could let me know
|>how many files in that folder?
|>
|>Thanks!
|>
|>Regards,
|>Joe Wu
|>Product Support Services
|>Microsoft Corporation
|>
|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>
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|your newsreader so
|>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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|>|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for
|Christmas.
|>|Thanks for all the posts.
|>|
|>|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
|>|results. I have used the single largest folder that I
|>|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of
|Drive
|>|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders and
|0
|>|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
|>|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
|>|
|>|To read the folder for the first time, Windows Explorer
|>|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3 minutes
|>|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it several
|>|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
|>|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely need
|>|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the timings
|>|would be for that.
|>|
|>|I do not have access to another XP machine so I cannot
|try
|>|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say that
|>|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE and
|was
|>|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an identical
|>|folder structure and identical numbers of files was
|almost
|>|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this problem
|is
|>|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I stripped
|>|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it to
|NTFS
|>|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
|>|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive D is
|>|used solely for data and there are no system files on it.
|>|
|>|Robert
|>|
|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>
|>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>>Hello,
|>|>>
|>|>>Thank you for your posts.
|>|>>
|>|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit longer
|>|>than normal to list
|>|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If possible, I
|>|>would like to suggest
|>|>>that you classify these image files to more subfolders.
|>|>>
|>|>>In the meantime, please help me check the following:
|>|>>
|>|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer, press
|the
|>|>F8 key when the
|>|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot up)
|and
|>|>check if the issue
|>|>>still occurs.
|>|>>
|>|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and check
|how
|>|>fast the files are
|>|>>displayed.
|>|>>
|>|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to
|another
|>|>Windows XP machine
|>|>>and check how well it works.
|>|>>
|>|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
|>|>>
|>|>>Regards,
|>|>>Joe Wu
|>|>>Product Support Services
|>|>>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>>
|>|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>>
|>|>>====================================================
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|>|>your newsreader so
|>|>>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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|and
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|>|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use
|the 'Detail'
|>|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I do,
|>|it
|>|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken. You
|>|>still
|>|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|>|>>|
|>|>>|Robert
|>|>>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>>|>Hi,
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|>Try this:
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_det ai
|le
|>|d
|>|>_v
|>|>>|i
|>|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|>Regards,
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|>Tim
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
|>|before
|>|>>|>but
|>|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to
|>|>browse
|>|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia
|files.
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non- copywrite
|>|>>|>images
|>|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical publications
|and
|>|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large numbers
|>|of
|>|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well
|as
|>|a
|>|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files. For
|easy
|>|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>|>>|>categorised
|>|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless
|it
|>|>is
|>|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in excess
|of
|>|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB)
|has
|>|>10
|>|>>|>GB
|>|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image
|files
|>|>(in
|>|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer can
|>|be
|>|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that
|this
|>|>is
|>|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or
|parsing
|>|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for wait
|>|up
|>|>>|to
|>|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the folders
|and
|>|>>|when
|>|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
|>|display,
|>|>I
|>|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour without
|>|>having
|>|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on
|my
|>|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
|>|>numbers
|>|>>|>of
|>|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400 2Mhz,
|>|>512
|>|>>|>MB
|>|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
|>|>>|>>.
|>|>>|>>
|>|>>|>.
|>|>>|>
|>|>>|
|>|>>
|>|>>.
|>|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
|>|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
|>|>
|>|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
|>|> From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
|>|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>
|>|>|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to display
|>|in
|>|>folder view
|>|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
|>|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
|>|>>
|>|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I have
|>|>changed video cards
|>|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried different
|>|>monitors.
|>|>>
|>|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
|>|>>
|>|>> Rich
|>|>> http://www.touart.com
|>|>>
|>|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John Inzer.
|>|>Thanks!
|>|>
|>|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
|>|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
|>|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
|>|>then click OK"
|>|>
|>|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of
|thousands
|>|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to the
|same
|>|>question. You only have to do this to one file and it
|>|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
|>|>
|>|>.
|>|>
|>|
|>
|>.
|>
|

.
 
J

Joe Wu [MSFT]

Hello Robert,

Thank you for your reply and I appreciate your time and efforts on this
problem. To remove the parallel operating systems from the computer, we can
try the following steps to remove one of the Operating Systems.

Step1. Modify the C:\boot.ini to restore it to the original status.

Step2. Remove the operating system's \WINDOWS folder.

Step3. Remove the "Program Files" folder created by that OS, if the
applications in the folder are useless.

To remove the new system safely, please send the C:\BOOT.ini file to me at
(e-mail address removed) and let me know which the new system locates.

I will modify the boot.ini file for you.

Thanks!

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Hi, Joe. I'm back after a very busy period of work which
|precluded my following up on your advice. However, I have
|now carried out the parallel installation.
|
|I took some time to free up space on the D-drive for the
|parallel instal, and defragged the drive twice. (Windows
|hasn't let me defrag for a while because there hasn't been
|15% free space on the drive.)
|
|When running on the parallel OS, the 'big' folder (which
|now contains 0 files and 63 sub-folders, with 212,000
|files / 34.3 GB in the sub-folders) now takes 1 minute and
|10 seconds to display. This is a great improvement on
|what happened previously, but when I went back to the
|original Windows installation, I found that that also now
|takes 1 minute and 10 seconds, so the improvement must be
|down to defragging and not to having a clean Windows setup.
|
|I don't know if you feel that 1 Min 10 is OK for reading a
|folder of that size, but the lesson seems to be to defrag
|regularly. I would certainly like it to be quicker, but I
|can live with the current performance.
|
|By the way, I also uninstalled PaintShop Pro, but that
|made no difference at all.
|
|A final question - How do I get rid of the 'extra' Windows
|system now ?!
|
|Thanks for your help.
|
|Robert
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hello Rebert,
|>
|>Thank you for your reply.
|>
|>I think it is not normal that the process lasts 3 minutes
|and 20 seconds.
|>Based on the current status, I would like to provide the
|following
|>suggestions:
|>
|>1. Let's install a parallel Windows XP system on a
|partition with enough
|>free space and check if the problem occurs in the newly
|created system. If
|>not, it indicates that the problem is related to a
|certain application or
|>configurations on the current system. (Note: Please do
|NOT install the
|>parallel system into the current system partition.)
|>
|>This can efficiently help us narrow down the problem's
|scope.
|>
|>For more information, please refer to:
|>
|>266465 HOW TO: Perform a Parallel Installation of Windows
|2000
|>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=266465
|>
|>Note: The above method also applies to Windows XP.
|>
|>2. Does the problem occur to other folder which contains
|a large number of
|>subfolders and common files? If not, I would like to
|suggest that we
|>temporarily uninstall the PaintShop Pro software to check
|if it is related
|>to this problem.
|>
|>I look forward to your reply. Thanks!
|>
|>Regards,
|>Joe Wu
|>Product Support Services
|>Microsoft Corporation
|>
|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>
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|>|Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests you
|>|suggested.
|>|
|>|1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not run
|>|Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such tab
|>|under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop Pro 4
|>|for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
|>|everything I need without the complexities of the newer
|>|versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing. I
|have
|>|reset the file associations for all image formats to
|>|PaintShop Pro.
|>|
|>|2.1 I created a new user account, although I could not
|>|follow the steps you set out as there is no item
|>|for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer Management
|on
|>|my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts instead.
|>|
|>|2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted,
|logged
|>|on the new account and read the famous directory. No
|>|change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
|>|
|>|3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins 20
|>|seconds to open and display the folder that contains 61
|>|folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time to
|open
|>|and display each of the 61 folders. These folders
|contain
|>|anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take about
|0.5
|>|seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the
|largest
|>|take a further 10 seconds.
|>|
|>|Robert
|>|
|>|
|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>Hello Robert,
|>|>
|>|>Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the time
|to
|>|perform the tests.
|>|>
|>|>Let's collect more information for further analysis:
|>|>
|>|>1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking
|>|the "Generate
|>|>Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I think
|>|that the suggestion
|>|>is reasonable and we can give it a try.
|>|>
|>|>2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating system.
|I
|>|would like to
|>|>suggest that we perform the following tests:
|>|>
|>|>1) Please create a new user with Administrators
|>|priviliges and then logon
|>|>as the newly created user to see if it works. This test
|>|can help us isolate
|>|>if the problem is related to the user settings.
|>|>
|>|>How to create a new user account:
|>|>--------------------------------------------
|>|>a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
|>|>b. Click Administrative Tools.
|>|>c. Click Computer Management.
|>|>d. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>e. Double-click Users.
|>|>f. On Action menu, click New User item.
|>|>g. Now, please create a new user account.
|>|>h. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the
|>|right pane.
|>|>j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
|>|>k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created
|user
|>|account to the
|>|>Administrators group.
|>|>l. Logoff and login with the newly created user account.
|>|>
|>|>2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and
|anti-
|>|virus tools,
|>|>including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc.
|Then
|>|reboot your
|>|>system and try to perform the test to see if the
|problem
|>|occurs. Based on
|>|>our experience, these kinds of applications run in the
|>|background
|>|>monitoring the file system, and may affect the system
|>|performance,
|>|>especially when the number of the files are very large.
|>|>
|>|>NOTE:
|>|>---------------
|>|>
|>|>a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we
|>|just disable it, a
|>|>lot of drivers are still running in the background and
|>|they will cause the
|>|>issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
|>|>b. After uninstalling these applications, please do NOT
|>|surf the Internet
|>|>and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your
|received
|>|e-mails.
|>|>
|>|>3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files in
|>|your 61 subfolders,
|>|>and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a folder.
|>|Could let me know
|>|>how many files in that folder?
|>|>
|>|>Thanks!
|>|>
|>|>Regards,
|>|>Joe Wu
|>|>Product Support Services
|>|>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>
|>|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>
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|>|>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
|>|>====================================================
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|and
|>|confers no rights.
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|>|>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
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|>|>|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for
|>|Christmas.
|>|>|Thanks for all the posts.
|>|>|
|>|>|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
|>|>|results. I have used the single largest folder that I
|>|>|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of
|>|Drive
|>|>|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders
|and
|>|0
|>|>|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
|>|>|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
|>|>|
|>|>|To read the folder for the first time, Windows
|Explorer
|>|>|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3
|minutes
|>|>|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it several
|>|>|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
|>|>|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely
|need
|>|>|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the timings
|>|>|would be for that.
|>|>|
|>|>|I do not have access to another XP machine so I cannot
|>|try
|>|>|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say that
|>|>|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE and
|>|was
|>|>|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an identical
|>|>|folder structure and identical numbers of files was
|>|almost
|>|>|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this
|problem
|>|is
|>|>|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I
|stripped
|>|>|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it to
|>|NTFS
|>|>|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
|>|>|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive D
|is
|>|>|used solely for data and there are no system files on
|it.
|>|>|
|>|>|Robert
|>|>|
|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>
|>|>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>>Hello,
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Thank you for your posts.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit
|longer
|>|>|>than normal to list
|>|>|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If possible,
|I
|>|>|>would like to suggest
|>|>|>>that you classify these image files to more
|subfolders.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>In the meantime, please help me check the following:
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer, press
|>|the
|>|>|>F8 key when the
|>|>|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot up)
|>|and
|>|>|>check if the issue
|>|>|>>still occurs.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and check
|>|how
|>|>|>fast the files are
|>|>|>>displayed.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to
|>|another
|>|>|>Windows XP machine
|>|>|>>and check how well it works.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Regards,
|>|>|>>Joe Wu
|>|>|>>Product Support Services
|>|>|>>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>====================================================
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|via
|>|>|>your newsreader so
|>|>|>>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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|>|and
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|>|>|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use
|>|the 'Detail'
|>|>|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I
|do,
|>|>|it
|>|>|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken.
|You
|>|>|>still
|>|>|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>>|Robert
|>|>|>>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>>|>Hi,
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>Try this:
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_det
|ai
|>|le
|>|>|d
|>|>|>_v
|>|>|>>|i
|>|>|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>Regards,
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>Tim
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
|>|>|before
|>|>|>>|>but
|>|>|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to
|>|>|>browse
|>|>|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia
|>|files.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-
|copywrite
|>|>|>>|>images
|>|>|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical publications
|>|and
|>|>|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large
|numbers
|>|>|of
|>|>|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well
|>|as
|>|>|a
|>|>|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files. For
|>|easy
|>|>|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>|>|>>|>categorised
|>|>|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless
|>|it
|>|>|>is
|>|>|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in excess
|>|of
|>|>|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB)
|>|has
|>|>|>10
|>|>|>>|>GB
|>|>|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image
|>|files
|>|>|>(in
|>|>|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer
|can
|>|>|be
|>|>|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that
|>|this
|>|>|>is
|>|>|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or
|>|parsing
|>|>|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for
|wait
|>|>|up
|>|>|>>|to
|>|>|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the folders
|>|and
|>|>|>>|when
|>|>|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
|>|>|display,
|>|>|>I
|>|>|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour without
|>|>|>having
|>|>|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on
|>|my
|>|>|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
|>|>|>numbers
|>|>|>>|>of
|>|>|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400
|2Mhz,
|>|>|>512
|>|>|>>|>MB
|>|>|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
|>|>|>>|>>.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>.
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>.
|>|>|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
|>|>|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
|>|>|>
|>|>|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
|>|>|> From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
|>|>|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to
|display
|>|>|in
|>|>|>folder view
|>|>|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I have
|>|>|>changed video cards
|>|>|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried
|different
|>|>|>monitors.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>> Rich
|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John
|Inzer.
|>|>|>Thanks!
|>|>|>
|>|>|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
|>|>|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
|>|>|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
|>|>|>then click OK"
|>|>|>
|>|>|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of
|>|thousands
|>|>|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to the
|>|same
|>|>|>question. You only have to do this to one file and
|it
|>|>|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
|>|>|>
|>|>|>.
|>|>|>
|>|>|
|>|>
|>|>.
|>|>
|>|
|>
|>.
|>
|
 
R

Robert Davies

Joe

Thanks for your offer of assistance. However, I can't
find a file called boot.ini on either drive, even wih all
files unhidden.

Robert
-----Original Message-----
Hello Robert,

Thank you for your reply and I appreciate your time and efforts on this
problem. To remove the parallel operating systems from the computer, we can
try the following steps to remove one of the Operating Systems.

Step1. Modify the C:\boot.ini to restore it to the original status.

Step2. Remove the operating system's \WINDOWS folder.

Step3. Remove the "Program Files" folder created by that OS, if the
applications in the folder are useless.

To remove the new system safely, please send the C:\BOOT.ini file to me at
(e-mail address removed) and let me know which the new system locates.

I will modify the boot.ini file for you.

Thanks!

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Hi, Joe. I'm back after a very busy period of work which
|precluded my following up on your advice. However, I have
|now carried out the parallel installation.
|
|I took some time to free up space on the D-drive for the
|parallel instal, and defragged the drive twice. (Windows
|hasn't let me defrag for a while because there hasn't been
|15% free space on the drive.)
|
|When running on the parallel OS, the 'big' folder (which
|now contains 0 files and 63 sub-folders, with 212,000
|files / 34.3 GB in the sub-folders) now takes 1 minute and
|10 seconds to display. This is a great improvement on
|what happened previously, but when I went back to the
|original Windows installation, I found that that also now
|takes 1 minute and 10 seconds, so the improvement must be
|down to defragging and not to having a clean Windows setup.
|
|I don't know if you feel that 1 Min 10 is OK for reading a
|folder of that size, but the lesson seems to be to defrag
|regularly. I would certainly like it to be quicker, but I
|can live with the current performance.
|
|By the way, I also uninstalled PaintShop Pro, but that
|made no difference at all.
|
|A final question - How do I get rid of the 'extra' Windows
|system now ?!
|
|Thanks for your help.
|
|Robert
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hello Rebert,
|>
|>Thank you for your reply.
|>
|>I think it is not normal that the process lasts 3 minutes
|and 20 seconds.
|>Based on the current status, I would like to provide the
|following
|>suggestions:
|>
|>1. Let's install a parallel Windows XP system on a
|partition with enough
|>free space and check if the problem occurs in the newly
|created system. If
|>not, it indicates that the problem is related to a
|certain application or
|>configurations on the current system. (Note: Please do
|NOT install the
|>parallel system into the current system partition.)
|>
|>This can efficiently help us narrow down the problem's
|scope.
|>
|>For more information, please refer to:
|>
|>266465 HOW TO: Perform a Parallel Installation of Windows
|2000
|>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=266465
|>
|>Note: The above method also applies to Windows XP.
|>
|>2. Does the problem occur to other folder which contains
|a large number of
|>subfolders and common files? If not, I would like to
|suggest that we
|>temporarily uninstall the PaintShop Pro software to check
|if it is related
|>to this problem.
|>
|>I look forward to your reply. Thanks!
|>
|>Regards,
|>Joe Wu
|>Product Support Services
|>Microsoft Corporation
|>
|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>
|>====================================================
|>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via
|your newsreader so
|>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
|>====================================================
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|confers no rights.
|>
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|>|Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests you
|>|suggested.
|>|
|>|1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not run
|>|Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such tab
|>|under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop Pro 4
|>|for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
|>|everything I need without the complexities of the newer
|>|versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing. I
|have
|>|reset the file associations for all image formats to
|>|PaintShop Pro.
|>|
|>|2.1 I created a new user account, although I could not
|>|follow the steps you set out as there is no item
|>|for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer Management
|on
|>|my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts instead.
|>|
|>|2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted,
|logged
|>|on the new account and read the famous directory. No
|>|change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
|>|
|>|3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins 20
|>|seconds to open and display the folder that contains 61
|>|folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time to
|open
|>|and display each of the 61 folders. These folders
|contain
|>|anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take about
|0.5
|>|seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the
|largest
|>|take a further 10 seconds.
|>|
|>|Robert
|>|
|>|
|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>Hello Robert,
|>|>
|>|>Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the time
|to
|>|perform the tests.
|>|>
|>|>Let's collect more information for further analysis:
|>|>
|>|>1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking
|>|the "Generate
|>|>Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I think
|>|that the suggestion
|>|>is reasonable and we can give it a try.
|>|>
|>|>2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating system.
|I
|>|would like to
|>|>suggest that we perform the following tests:
|>|>
|>|>1) Please create a new user with Administrators
|>|priviliges and then logon
|>|>as the newly created user to see if it works. This test
|>|can help us isolate
|>|>if the problem is related to the user settings.
|>|>
|>|>How to create a new user account:
|>|>--------------------------------------------
|>|>a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
|>|>b. Click Administrative Tools.
|>|>c. Click Computer Management.
|>|>d. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>e. Double-click Users.
|>|>f. On Action menu, click New User item.
|>|>g. Now, please create a new user account.
|>|>h. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the
|>|right pane.
|>|>j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
|>|>k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created
|user
|>|account to the
|>|>Administrators group.
|>|>l. Logoff and login with the newly created user account.
|>|>
|>|>2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and
|anti-
|>|virus tools,
|>|>including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc.
|Then
|>|reboot your
|>|>system and try to perform the test to see if the
|problem
|>|occurs. Based on
|>|>our experience, these kinds of applications run in the
|>|background
|>|>monitoring the file system, and may affect the system
|>|performance,
|>|>especially when the number of the files are very large.
|>|>
|>|>NOTE:
|>|>---------------
|>|>
|>|>a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we
|>|just disable it, a
|>|>lot of drivers are still running in the background and
|>|they will cause the
|>|>issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
|>|>b. After uninstalling these applications, please do NOT
|>|surf the Internet
|>|>and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your
|received
|>|e-mails.
|>|>
|>|>3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files in
|>|your 61 subfolders,
|>|>and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a folder.
|>|Could let me know
|>|>how many files in that folder?
|>|>
|>|>Thanks!
|>|>
|>|>Regards,
|>|>Joe Wu
|>|>Product Support Services
|>|>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>
|>|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>
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|>|>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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|and
|>|confers no rights.
|>|>
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|>|>|Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
|>|>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>|>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>|>|References: <[email protected]>
|>|><[email protected]>
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|>|>|Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:15:43 -0800
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|>|>|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for
|>|Christmas.
|>|>|Thanks for all the posts.
|>|>|
|>|>|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
|>|>|results. I have used the single largest folder that I
|>|>|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of
|>|Drive
|>|>|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders
|and
|>|0
|>|>|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
|>|>|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
|>|>|
|>|>|To read the folder for the first time, Windows
|Explorer
|>|>|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3
|minutes
|>|>|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it several
|>|>|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
|>|>|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely
|need
|>|>|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the timings
|>|>|would be for that.
|>|>|
|>|>|I do not have access to another XP machine so I cannot
|>|try
|>|>|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say that
|>|>|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE and
|>|was
|>|>|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an identical
|>|>|folder structure and identical numbers of files was
|>|almost
|>|>|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this
|problem
|>|is
|>|>|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I
|stripped
|>|>|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it to
|>|NTFS
|>|>|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
|>|>|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive D
|is
|>|>|used solely for data and there are no system files on
|it.
|>|>|
|>|>|Robert
|>|>|
|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>
|>|>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>>Hello,
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Thank you for your posts.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit
|longer
|>|>|>than normal to list
|>|>|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If possible,
|I
|>|>|>would like to suggest
|>|>|>>that you classify these image files to more
|subfolders.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>In the meantime, please help me check the following:
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer, press
|>|the
|>|>|>F8 key when the
|>|>|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot up)
|>|and
|>|>|>check if the issue
|>|>|>>still occurs.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and check
|>|how
|>|>|>fast the files are
|>|>|>>displayed.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to
|>|another
|>|>|>Windows XP machine
|>|>|>>and check how well it works.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Regards,
|>|>|>>Joe Wu
|>|>|>>Product Support Services
|>|>|>>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>=================================================== =
|>|>|>>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group"
|via
|>|>|>your newsreader so
|>|>|>>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
|>|>|>>=================================================== =
|>|>|>>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties,
|>|and
|>|>|>confers no rights.
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|>|>|>>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>|>|>>|References: <009d01c3b501$a7be30c0
|[email protected]>
|>|>|>><[email protected]>
|>|>|>>|Subject: Windows Explorer
|>|>|>>|Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:05:58 -0800
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|>|>|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use
|>|the 'Detail'
|>|>|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I
|do,
|>|>|it
|>|>|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken.
|You
|>|>|>still
|>|>|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>>|Robert
|>|>|>>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>>|>Hi,
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>Try this:
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_d et
|ai
|>|le
|>|>|d
|>|>|>_v
|>|>|>>|i
|>|>|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>Regards,
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>Tim
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
|>|>|before
|>|>|>>|>but
|>|>|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to
|>|>|>browse
|>|>|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia
|>|files.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-
|copywrite
|>|>|>>|>images
|>|>|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical publications
|>|and
|>|>|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large
|numbers
|>|>|of
|>|>|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well
|>|as
|>|>|a
|>|>|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files. For
|>|easy
|>|>|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>|>|>>|>categorised
|>|>|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless
|>|it
|>|>|>is
|>|>|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in excess
|>|of
|>|>|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB)
|>|has
|>|>|>10
|>|>|>>|>GB
|>|>|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image
|>|files
|>|>|>(in
|>|>|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer
|can
|>|>|be
|>|>|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that
|>|this
|>|>|>is
|>|>|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or
|>|parsing
|>|>|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for
|wait
|>|>|up
|>|>|>>|to
|>|>|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the folders
|>|and
|>|>|>>|when
|>|>|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
|>|>|display,
|>|>|>I
|>|>|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour without
|>|>|>having
|>|>|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on
|>|my
|>|>|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
|>|>|>numbers
|>|>|>>|>of
|>|>|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400
|2Mhz,
|>|>|>512
|>|>|>>|>MB
|>|>|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
|>|>|>>|>>.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>.
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>.
|>|>|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
|>|>|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
|>|>|>
|>|>|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
|>|>|> From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
|>|>|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to
|display
|>|>|in
|>|>|>folder view
|>|>|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I have
|>|>|>changed video cards
|>|>|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried
|different
|>|>|>monitors.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>> Rich
|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John
|Inzer.
|>|>|>Thanks!
|>|>|>
|>|>|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
|>|>|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
|>|>|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
|>|>|>then click OK"
|>|>|>
|>|>|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of
|>|thousands
|>|>|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to the
|>|same
|>|>|>question. You only have to do this to one file and
|it
|>|>|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
|>|>|>
|>|>|>.
|>|>|>
|>|>|
|>|>
|>|>.
|>|>
|>|
|>
|>.
|>
|

.
 
J

Joe Wu [MSFT]

Hi Robert,

Thank you for your reply. Please run the following command and check if you
can open the boot.ini file:

notepad c:\boot.ini

Please then post the content of this file, and I will check it.

Thanks!

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Joe
|
|Thanks for your offer of assistance. However, I can't
|find a file called boot.ini on either drive, even wih all
|files unhidden.
|
|Robert
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hello Robert,
|>
|>Thank you for your reply and I appreciate your time and
|efforts on this
|>problem. To remove the parallel operating systems from
|the computer, we can
|>try the following steps to remove one of the Operating
|Systems.
|>
|>Step1. Modify the C:\boot.ini to restore it to the
|original status.
|>
|>Step2. Remove the operating system's \WINDOWS folder.
|>
|>Step3. Remove the "Program Files" folder created by that
|OS, if the
|>applications in the folder are useless.
|>
|>To remove the new system safely, please send the
|C:\BOOT.ini file to me at
|>[email protected] and let me know which the new system
|locates.
|>
|>I will modify the boot.ini file for you.
|>
|>Thanks!
|>
|>Regards,
|>Joe Wu
|>Product Support Services
|>Microsoft Corporation
|>
|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>
|>====================================================
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|your newsreader so
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|>|Hi, Joe. I'm back after a very busy period of work
|which
|>|precluded my following up on your advice. However, I
|have
|>|now carried out the parallel installation.
|>|
|>|I took some time to free up space on the D-drive for the
|>|parallel instal, and defragged the drive twice.
|(Windows
|>|hasn't let me defrag for a while because there hasn't
|been
|>|15% free space on the drive.)
|>|
|>|When running on the parallel OS, the 'big' folder (which
|>|now contains 0 files and 63 sub-folders, with 212,000
|>|files / 34.3 GB in the sub-folders) now takes 1 minute
|and
|>|10 seconds to display. This is a great improvement on
|>|what happened previously, but when I went back to the
|>|original Windows installation, I found that that also
|now
|>|takes 1 minute and 10 seconds, so the improvement must
|be
|>|down to defragging and not to having a clean Windows
|setup.
|>|
|>|I don't know if you feel that 1 Min 10 is OK for reading
|a
|>|folder of that size, but the lesson seems to be to
|defrag
|>|regularly. I would certainly like it to be quicker, but
|I
|>|can live with the current performance.
|>|
|>|By the way, I also uninstalled PaintShop Pro, but that
|>|made no difference at all.
|>|
|>|A final question - How do I get rid of the 'extra'
|Windows
|>|system now ?!
|>|
|>|Thanks for your help.
|>|
|>|Robert
|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>Hello Rebert,
|>|>
|>|>Thank you for your reply.
|>|>
|>|>I think it is not normal that the process lasts 3
|minutes
|>|and 20 seconds.
|>|>Based on the current status, I would like to provide
|the
|>|following
|>|>suggestions:
|>|>
|>|>1. Let's install a parallel Windows XP system on a
|>|partition with enough
|>|>free space and check if the problem occurs in the newly
|>|created system. If
|>|>not, it indicates that the problem is related to a
|>|certain application or
|>|>configurations on the current system. (Note: Please do
|>|NOT install the
|>|>parallel system into the current system partition.)
|>|>
|>|>This can efficiently help us narrow down the problem's
|>|scope.
|>|>
|>|>For more information, please refer to:
|>|>
|>|>266465 HOW TO: Perform a Parallel Installation of
|Windows
|>|2000
|>|>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=266465
|>|>
|>|>Note: The above method also applies to Windows XP.
|>|>
|>|>2. Does the problem occur to other folder which
|contains
|>|a large number of
|>|>subfolders and common files? If not, I would like to
|>|suggest that we
|>|>temporarily uninstall the PaintShop Pro software to
|check
|>|if it is related
|>|>to this problem.
|>|>
|>|>I look forward to your reply. Thanks!
|>|>
|>|>Regards,
|>|>Joe Wu
|>|>Product Support Services
|>|>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>
|>|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>
|>|>====================================================
|>|>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via
|>|your newsreader so
|>|>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
|>|>====================================================
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|and
|>|confers no rights.
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|>|>|Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests
|you
|>|>|suggested.
|>|>|
|>|>|1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not
|run
|>|>|Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such
|tab
|>|>|under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop Pro
|4
|>|>|for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
|>|>|everything I need without the complexities of the
|newer
|>|>|versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing. I
|>|have
|>|>|reset the file associations for all image formats to
|>|>|PaintShop Pro.
|>|>|
|>|>|2.1 I created a new user account, although I could
|not
|>|>|follow the steps you set out as there is no item
|>|>|for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer Management
|>|on
|>|>|my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts
|instead.
|>|>|
|>|>|2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted,
|>|logged
|>|>|on the new account and read the famous directory. No
|>|>|change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
|>|>|
|>|>|3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins
|20
|>|>|seconds to open and display the folder that contains
|61
|>|>|folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time to
|>|open
|>|>|and display each of the 61 folders. These folders
|>|contain
|>|>|anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take about
|>|0.5
|>|>|seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the
|>|largest
|>|>|take a further 10 seconds.
|>|>|
|>|>|Robert
|>|>|
|>|>|
|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>Hello Robert,
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the
|time
|>|to
|>|>|perform the tests.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Let's collect more information for further analysis:
|>|>|>
|>|>|>1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking
|>|>|the "Generate
|>|>|>Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I
|think
|>|>|that the suggestion
|>|>|>is reasonable and we can give it a try.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating
|system.
|>|I
|>|>|would like to
|>|>|>suggest that we perform the following tests:
|>|>|>
|>|>|>1) Please create a new user with Administrators
|>|>|priviliges and then logon
|>|>|>as the newly created user to see if it works. This
|test
|>|>|can help us isolate
|>|>|>if the problem is related to the user settings.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>How to create a new user account:
|>|>|>--------------------------------------------
|>|>|>a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
|>|>|>b. Click Administrative Tools.
|>|>|>c. Click Computer Management.
|>|>|>d. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>|>e. Double-click Users.
|>|>|>f. On Action menu, click New User item.
|>|>|>g. Now, please create a new user account.
|>|>|>h. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>|>i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the
|>|>|right pane.
|>|>|>j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
|>|>|>k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created
|>|user
|>|>|account to the
|>|>|>Administrators group.
|>|>|>l. Logoff and login with the newly created user
|account.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and
|>|anti-
|>|>|virus tools,
|>|>|>including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc.
|>|Then
|>|>|reboot your
|>|>|>system and try to perform the test to see if the
|>|problem
|>|>|occurs. Based on
|>|>|>our experience, these kinds of applications run in
|the
|>|>|background
|>|>|>monitoring the file system, and may affect the system
|>|>|performance,
|>|>|>especially when the number of the files are very
|large.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>NOTE:
|>|>|>---------------
|>|>|>
|>|>|>a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we
|>|>|just disable it, a
|>|>|>lot of drivers are still running in the background
|and
|>|>|they will cause the
|>|>|>issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
|>|>|>b. After uninstalling these applications, please do
|NOT
|>|>|surf the Internet
|>|>|>and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your
|>|received
|>|>|e-mails.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files
|in
|>|>|your 61 subfolders,
|>|>|>and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a
|folder.
|>|>|Could let me know
|>|>|>how many files in that folder?
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Thanks!
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Regards,
|>|>|>Joe Wu
|>|>|>Product Support Services
|>|>|>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>|>
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|>|>|>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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|>|and
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|>|>|>|Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
|>|>|>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>|>|>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>|>|>|References: <[email protected]>
|>|>|><[email protected]>
|>|>|><[email protected]>
|>|>|><[email protected]>
|>|>|><[email protected]>
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|>|>|>|Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:15:43 -0800
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|>|>|>|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for
|>|>|Christmas.
|>|>|>|Thanks for all the posts.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
|>|>|>|results. I have used the single largest folder that
|I
|>|>|>|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of
|>|>|Drive
|>|>|>|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders
|>|and
|>|>|0
|>|>|>|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
|>|>|>|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|To read the folder for the first time, Windows
|>|Explorer
|>|>|>|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3
|>|minutes
|>|>|>|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it
|several
|>|>|>|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
|>|>|>|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely
|>|need
|>|>|>|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the
|timings
|>|>|>|would be for that.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|I do not have access to another XP machine so I
|cannot
|>|>|try
|>|>|>|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say
|that
|>|>|>|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE
|and
|>|>|was
|>|>|>|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an
|identical
|>|>|>|folder structure and identical numbers of files was
|>|>|almost
|>|>|>|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this
|>|problem
|>|>|is
|>|>|>|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I
|>|stripped
|>|>|>|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it
|to
|>|>|NTFS
|>|>|>|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
|>|>|>|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive
|D
|>|is
|>|>|>|used solely for data and there are no system files
|on
|>|it.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|Robert
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>>Hello,
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>Thank you for your posts.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit
|>|longer
|>|>|>|>than normal to list
|>|>|>|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If
|possible,
|>|I
|>|>|>|>would like to suggest
|>|>|>|>>that you classify these image files to more
|>|subfolders.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>In the meantime, please help me check the
|following:
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer,
|press
|>|>|the
|>|>|>|>F8 key when the
|>|>|>|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot
|up)
|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>check if the issue
|>|>|>|>>still occurs.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and
|check
|>|>|how
|>|>|>|>fast the files are
|>|>|>|>>displayed.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to
|>|>|another
|>|>|>|>Windows XP machine
|>|>|>|>>and check how well it works.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>Regards,
|>|>|>|>>Joe Wu
|>|>|>|>>Product Support Services
|>|>|>|>>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>===================================================
|=
|>|>|>|>>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group"
|>|via
|>|>|>|>your newsreader so
|>|>|>|>>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
|>|>|>|>>===================================================
|=
|>|>|>|>>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no
|warranties,
|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>confers no rights.
|>|>|>|>>
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|>|>|>|>>|Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
|>|>|>|>>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>|>|>|>>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>|>|>|>>|References: <009d01c3b501$a7be30c0
|>|[email protected]>
|>|>|>|>><[email protected]>
|>|>|>|>>|Subject: Windows Explorer
|>|>|>|>>|Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:05:58 -0800
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|>|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use
|>|>|the 'Detail'
|>|>|>|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I
|>|do,
|>|>|>|it
|>|>|>|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken.
|>|You
|>|>|>|>still
|>|>|>|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|>|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>|>>|Robert
|>|>|>|>>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>>|>Hi,
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|>Try this:
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_d
|et
|>|ai
|>|>|le
|>|>|>|d
|>|>|>|>_v
|>|>|>|>>|i
|>|>|>|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|>Regards,
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|>Tim
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
|>|>|>|before
|>|>|>|>>|>but
|>|>|>|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer
|to
|>|>|>|>browse
|>|>|>|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia
|>|>|files.
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-
|>|copywrite
|>|>|>|>>|>images
|>|>|>|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical
|publications
|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large
|>|numbers
|>|>|>|of
|>|>|>|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as
|well
|>|>|as
|>|>|>|a
|>|>|>|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files.
|For
|>|>|easy
|>|>|>|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>|>|>|>>|>categorised
|>|>|>|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but
|nevertheless
|>|>|it
|>|>|>|>is
|>|>|>|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in
|excess
|>|>|of
|>|>|>|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine
|(80GB)
|>|>|has
|>|>|>|>10
|>|>|>|>>|>GB
|>|>|>|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image
|>|>|files
|>|>|>|>(in
|>|>|>|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer
|>|can
|>|>|>|be
|>|>|>|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand
|that
|>|>|this
|>|>|>|>is
|>|>|>|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or
|>|>|parsing
|>|>|>|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for
|>|wait
|>|>|>|up
|>|>|>|>>|to
|>|>|>|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the
|folders
|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>>|when
|>|>|>|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
|>|>|>|display,
|>|>|>|>I
|>|>|>|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour
|without
|>|>|>|>having
|>|>|>|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties
|on
|>|>|my
|>|>|>|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
|>|>|>|>numbers
|>|>|>|>>|>of
|>|>|>|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400
|>|2Mhz,
|>|>|>|>512
|>|>|>|>>|>MB
|>|>|>|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
|>|>|>|>>|>>.
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>.
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>.
|>|>|>|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
|>|>|>|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
|>|>|>|> From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
|>|>|>|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>|>|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to
|>|display
|>|>|>|in
|>|>|>|>folder view
|>|>|>|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
|>|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I
|have
|>|>|>|>changed video cards
|>|>|>|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried
|>|different
|>|>|>|>monitors.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>> Rich
|>|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John
|>|Inzer.
|>|>|>|>Thanks!
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
|>|>|>|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
|>|>|>|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
|>|>|>|>then click OK"
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of
|>|>|thousands
|>|>|>|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to
|the
|>|>|same
|>|>|>|>question. You only have to do this to one file and
|>|it
|>|>|>|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>.
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>
|>|>|>.
|>|>|>
|>|>|
|>|>
|>|>.
|>|>
|>|
|>
|>.
|>
|
 
J

Joe Wu [MSFT]

Hi Robert,

How are you?

I just want to say hi and to see how thing are going there. When you get a
chance, please help me collect the C:\boot.ini file. If your issue is
resolved or if you need additional information, please let us know.

Thanks, and have a great day!

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Hi Robert,
|
|Thank you for your reply. Please run the following command and check if
you
|can open the boot.ini file:
|
|notepad c:\boot.ini
|
|Please then post the content of this file, and I will check it.
|
|Thanks!
|
|Regards,
|Joe Wu
|Product Support Services
|Microsoft Corporation
|
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||Joe
||
||Thanks for your offer of assistance. However, I can't
||find a file called boot.ini on either drive, even wih all
||files unhidden.
||
||Robert
||>-----Original Message-----
||>Hello Robert,
||>
||>Thank you for your reply and I appreciate your time and
||efforts on this
||>problem. To remove the parallel operating systems from
||the computer, we can
||>try the following steps to remove one of the Operating
||Systems.
||>
||>Step1. Modify the C:\boot.ini to restore it to the
||original status.
||>
||>Step2. Remove the operating system's \WINDOWS folder.
||>
||>Step3. Remove the "Program Files" folder created by that
||OS, if the
||>applications in the folder are useless.
||>
||>To remove the new system safely, please send the
||C:\BOOT.ini file to me at
||>[email protected] and let me know which the new system
||locates.
||>
||>I will modify the boot.ini file for you.
||>
||>Thanks!
||>
||>Regards,
||>Joe Wu
||>Product Support Services
||>Microsoft Corporation
||>
||>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
||>
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||>|Hi, Joe. I'm back after a very busy period of work
||which
||>|precluded my following up on your advice. However, I
||have
||>|now carried out the parallel installation.
||>|
||>|I took some time to free up space on the D-drive for the
||>|parallel instal, and defragged the drive twice.
||(Windows
||>|hasn't let me defrag for a while because there hasn't
||been
||>|15% free space on the drive.)
||>|
||>|When running on the parallel OS, the 'big' folder (which
||>|now contains 0 files and 63 sub-folders, with 212,000
||>|files / 34.3 GB in the sub-folders) now takes 1 minute
||and
||>|10 seconds to display. This is a great improvement on
||>|what happened previously, but when I went back to the
||>|original Windows installation, I found that that also
||now
||>|takes 1 minute and 10 seconds, so the improvement must
||be
||>|down to defragging and not to having a clean Windows
||setup.
||>|
||>|I don't know if you feel that 1 Min 10 is OK for reading
||a
||>|folder of that size, but the lesson seems to be to
||defrag
||>|regularly. I would certainly like it to be quicker, but
||I
||>|can live with the current performance.
||>|
||>|By the way, I also uninstalled PaintShop Pro, but that
||>|made no difference at all.
||>|
||>|A final question - How do I get rid of the 'extra'
||Windows
||>|system now ?!
||>|
||>|Thanks for your help.
||>|
||>|Robert
||>|>-----Original Message-----
||>|>Hello Rebert,
||>|>
||>|>Thank you for your reply.
||>|>
||>|>I think it is not normal that the process lasts 3
||minutes
||>|and 20 seconds.
||>|>Based on the current status, I would like to provide
||the
||>|following
||>|>suggestions:
||>|>
||>|>1. Let's install a parallel Windows XP system on a
||>|partition with enough
||>|>free space and check if the problem occurs in the newly
||>|created system. If
||>|>not, it indicates that the problem is related to a
||>|certain application or
||>|>configurations on the current system. (Note: Please do
||>|NOT install the
||>|>parallel system into the current system partition.)
||>|>
||>|>This can efficiently help us narrow down the problem's
||>|scope.
||>|>
||>|>For more information, please refer to:
||>|>
||>|>266465 HOW TO: Perform a Parallel Installation of
||Windows
||>|2000
||>|>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=266465
||>|>
||>|>Note: The above method also applies to Windows XP.
||>|>
||>|>2. Does the problem occur to other folder which
||contains
||>|a large number of
||>|>subfolders and common files? If not, I would like to
||>|suggest that we
||>|>temporarily uninstall the PaintShop Pro software to
||check
||>|if it is related
||>|>to this problem.
||>|>
||>|>I look forward to your reply. Thanks!
||>|>
||>|>Regards,
||>|>Joe Wu
||>|>Product Support Services
||>|>Microsoft Corporation
||>|>
||>|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
||>|>
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||>|>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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||>|>|Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
||>|>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
||>|>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
||>|>|References: <[email protected]>
||>|><[email protected]>
||>|><[email protected]>
||>|><[email protected]>
||>|><[email protected]>
||>|><[email protected]>
||>|><[email protected]>
||>|>|Subject: RE: Windows Explorer
||>|>|Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:35:21 -0800
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||>|>|Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests
||you
||>|>|suggested.
||>|>|
||>|>|1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not
||run
||>|>|Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such
||tab
||>|>|under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop Pro
||4
||>|>|for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
||>|>|everything I need without the complexities of the
||newer
||>|>|versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing. I
||>|have
||>|>|reset the file associations for all image formats to
||>|>|PaintShop Pro.
||>|>|
||>|>|2.1 I created a new user account, although I could
||not
||>|>|follow the steps you set out as there is no item
||>|>|for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer Management
||>|on
||>|>|my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts
||instead.
||>|>|
||>|>|2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted,
||>|logged
||>|>|on the new account and read the famous directory. No
||>|>|change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
||>|>|
||>|>|3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins
||20
||>|>|seconds to open and display the folder that contains
||61
||>|>|folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time to
||>|open
||>|>|and display each of the 61 folders. These folders
||>|contain
||>|>|anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take about
||>|0.5
||>|>|seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the
||>|largest
||>|>|take a further 10 seconds.
||>|>|
||>|>|Robert
||>|>|
||>|>|
||>|>|>-----Original Message-----
||>|>|>Hello Robert,
||>|>|>
||>|>|>Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the
||time
||>|to
||>|>|perform the tests.
||>|>|>
||>|>|>Let's collect more information for further analysis:
||>|>|>
||>|>|>1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking
||>|>|the "Generate
||>|>|>Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I
||think
||>|>|that the suggestion
||>|>|>is reasonable and we can give it a try.
||>|>|>
||>|>|>2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating
||system.
||>|I
||>|>|would like to
||>|>|>suggest that we perform the following tests:
||>|>|>
||>|>|>1) Please create a new user with Administrators
||>|>|priviliges and then logon
||>|>|>as the newly created user to see if it works. This
||test
||>|>|can help us isolate
||>|>|>if the problem is related to the user settings.
||>|>|>
||>|>|>How to create a new user account:
||>|>|>--------------------------------------------
||>|>|>a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
||>|>|>b. Click Administrative Tools.
||>|>|>c. Click Computer Management.
||>|>|>d. Click Local Users and Groups.
||>|>|>e. Double-click Users.
||>|>|>f. On Action menu, click New User item.
||>|>|>g. Now, please create a new user account.
||>|>|>h. Click Local Users and Groups.
||>|>|>i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the
||>|>|right pane.
||>|>|>j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
||>|>|>k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created
||>|user
||>|>|account to the
||>|>|>Administrators group.
||>|>|>l. Logoff and login with the newly created user
||account.
||>|>|>
||>|>|>2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and
||>|anti-
||>|>|virus tools,
||>|>|>including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc.
||>|Then
||>|>|reboot your
||>|>|>system and try to perform the test to see if the
||>|problem
||>|>|occurs. Based on
||>|>|>our experience, these kinds of applications run in
||the
||>|>|background
||>|>|>monitoring the file system, and may affect the system
||>|>|performance,
||>|>|>especially when the number of the files are very
||large.
||>|>|>
||>|>|>NOTE:
||>|>|>---------------
||>|>|>
||>|>|>a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we
||>|>|just disable it, a
||>|>|>lot of drivers are still running in the background
||and
||>|>|they will cause the
||>|>|>issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
||>|>|>b. After uninstalling these applications, please do
||NOT
||>|>|surf the Internet
||>|>|>and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your
||>|received
||>|>|e-mails.
||>|>|>
||>|>|>3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files
||in
||>|>|your 61 subfolders,
||>|>|>and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a
||folder.
||>|>|Could let me know
||>|>|>how many files in that folder?
||>|>|>
||>|>|>Thanks!
||>|>|>
||>|>|>Regards,
||>|>|>Joe Wu
||>|>|>Product Support Services
||>|>|>Microsoft Corporation
||>|>|>
||>|>|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
||>|>|>
||>|>|>====================================================
||>|>|>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via
||>|>|your newsreader so
||>|>|>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
||>|>|>====================================================
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||>|and
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||>|>|>|Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
||>|>|>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
||>|>|>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
||>|>|>|References: <[email protected]>
||>|>|><[email protected]>
||>|>|><[email protected]>
||>|>|><[email protected]>
||>|>|><[email protected]>
||>|>|>|Subject: RE: Windows Explorer
||>|>|>|Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:15:43 -0800
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||>|>|>|Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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||>|>|>|
||>|>|>|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for
||>|>|Christmas.
||>|>|>|Thanks for all the posts.
||>|>|>|
||>|>|>|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
||>|>|>|results. I have used the single largest folder that
||I
||>|>|>|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of
||>|>|Drive
||>|>|>|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders
||>|and
||>|>|0
||>|>|>|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
||>|>|>|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
||>|>|>|
||>|>|>|To read the folder for the first time, Windows
||>|Explorer
||>|>|>|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3
||>|minutes
||>|>|>|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it
||several
||>|>|>|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
||>|>|>|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely
||>|need
||>|>|>|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the
||timings
||>|>|>|would be for that.
||>|>|>|
||>|>|>|I do not have access to another XP machine so I
||cannot
||>|>|try
||>|>|>|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say
||that
||>|>|>|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE
||and
||>|>|was
||>|>|>|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an
||identical
||>|>|>|folder structure and identical numbers of files was
||>|>|almost
||>|>|>|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this
||>|problem
||>|>|is
||>|>|>|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I
||>|stripped
||>|>|>|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it
||to
||>|>|NTFS
||>|>|>|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
||>|>|>|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive
||D
||>|is
||>|>|>|used solely for data and there are no system files
||on
||>|it.
||>|>|>|
||>|>|>|Robert
||>|>|>|
||>|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
||>|>|>|>
||>|>|>|>>-----Original Message-----
||>|>|>|>>Hello,
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>Thank you for your posts.
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit
||>|longer
||>|>|>|>than normal to list
||>|>|>|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If
||possible,
||>|I
||>|>|>|>would like to suggest
||>|>|>|>>that you classify these image files to more
||>|subfolders.
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>In the meantime, please help me check the
||following:
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer,
||press
||>|>|the
||>|>|>|>F8 key when the
||>|>|>|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot
||up)
||>|>|and
||>|>|>|>check if the issue
||>|>|>|>>still occurs.
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and
||check
||>|>|how
||>|>|>|>fast the files are
||>|>|>|>>displayed.
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to
||>|>|another
||>|>|>|>Windows XP machine
||>|>|>|>>and check how well it works.
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>Regards,
||>|>|>|>>Joe Wu
||>|>|>|>>Product Support Services
||>|>|>|>>Microsoft Corporation
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>===================================================
||=
||>|>|>|>>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group"
||>|via
||>|>|>|>your newsreader so
||>|>|>|>>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
||>|>|>|>>===================================================
||=
||>|>|>|>>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no
||warranties,
||>|>|and
||>|>|>|>confers no rights.
||>|>|>|>>
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||>|>|>|>>|Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
||>|>|>|>>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
||>|>|>|>>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
||>|>|>|>>|References: <009d01c3b501$a7be30c0
||>|[email protected]>
||>|>|>|>><[email protected]>
||>|>|>|>>|Subject: Windows Explorer
||>|>|>|>>|Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:05:58 -0800
||>|>|>|>>|Lines: 65
||>|>|>|>>|Message-ID: <02a201c3b83e$2755e690
||[email protected]>
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||>|>|>|>>microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain:119586
||>|>|>|>>|NNTP-Posting-Host: tk2msftngxa09.phx.gbl
||10.40.1.161
||>|>|>|>>|X-Tomcat-NG:
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||>|>|>|>>|
||>|>|>|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use
||>|>|the 'Detail'
||>|>|>|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I
||>|do,
||>|>|>|it
||>|>|>|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken.
||>|You
||>|>|>|>still
||>|>|>|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
||>|>|>|>>|
||>|>|>|>>|Robert
||>|>|>|>>|>-----Original Message-----
||>|>|>|>>|>Hi,
||>|>|>|>>|>
||>|>|>|>>|>Try this:
||>|>|>|>>|>
||>|>|>|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_d
||et
||>|ai
||>|>|le
||>|>|>|d
||>|>|>|>_v
||>|>|>|>>|i
||>|>|>|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
||>|>|>|>>|>
||>|>|>|>>|>Regards,
||>|>|>|>>|>
||>|>|>|>>|>Tim
||>|>|>|>>|>
||>|>|>|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
||>|>|>|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
||>|>|>|before
||>|>|>|>>|>but
||>|>|>|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
||>|>|>|>>|>>
||>|>|>|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer
||to
||>|>|>|>browse
||>|>|>|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia
||>|>|files.
||>|>|>|>>|>>
||>|>|>|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-
||>|copywrite
||>|>|>|>>|>images
||>|>|>|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical
||publications
||>|>|and
||>|>|>|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large
||>|numbers
||>|>|>|of
||>|>|>|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as
||well
||>|>|as
||>|>|>|a
||>|>|>|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files.
||For
||>|>|easy
||>|>|>|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
||>|>|>|>>|>categorised
||>|>|>|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but
||nevertheless
||>|>|it
||>|>|>|>is
||>|>|>|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in
||excess
||>|>|of
||>|>|>|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine
||(80GB)
||>|>|has
||>|>|>|>10
||>|>|>|>>|>GB
||>|>|>|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image
||>|>|files
||>|>|>|>(in
||>|>|>|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
||>|>|>|>>|>>
||>|>|>|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer
||>|can
||>|>|>|be
||>|>|>|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand
||that
||>|>|this
||>|>|>|>is
||>|>|>|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or
||>|>|parsing
||>|>|>|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for
||>|wait
||>|>|>|up
||>|>|>|>>|to
||>|>|>|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the
||folders
||>|>|and
||>|>|>|>>|when
||>|>|>|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
||>|>|>|display,
||>|>|>|>I
||>|>|>|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
||>|>|>|>>|>>
||>|>|>|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour
||without
||>|>|>|>having
||>|>|>|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties
||on
||>|>|my
||>|>|>|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
||>|>|>|>numbers
||>|>|>|>>|>of
||>|>|>|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400
||>|2Mhz,
||>|>|>|>512
||>|>|>|>>|>MB
||>|>|>|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
||>|>|>|>>|>>
||>|>|>|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
||>|>|>|>>|>>.
||>|>|>|>>|>>
||>|>|>|>>|>.
||>|>|>|>>|>
||>|>|>|>>|
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>>.
||>|>|>|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
||>|>|>|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
||>|>|>|>
||>|>|>|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
||>|>|>|> From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
||>|>|>|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
||>|>|>|>
||>|>|>|>
||>|>|>|>
||>|>|>|>
||>|>|>|>||>|>|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to
||>|display
||>|>|>|in
||>|>|>|>folder view
||>|>|>|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
||>|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I
||have
||>|>|>|>changed video cards
||>|>|>|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried
||>|different
||>|>|>|>monitors.
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>> Rich
||>|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com
||>|>|>|>>
||>|>|>|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John
||>|Inzer.
||>|>|>|>Thanks!
||>|>|>|>
||>|>|>|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
||>|>|>|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
||>|>|>|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
||>|>|>|>then click OK"
||>|>|>|>
||>|>|>|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of
||>|>|thousands
||>|>|>|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to
||the
||>|>|same
||>|>|>|>question. You only have to do this to one file and
||>|it
||>|>|>|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
||>|>|>|>
||>|>|>|>.
||>|>|>|>
||>|>|>|
||>|>|>
||>|>|>.
||>|>|>
||>|>|
||>|>
||>|>.
||>|>
||>|
||>
||>.
||>
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Joe

Thanks as always. Here is the contents of boot.ini:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft
Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft
Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect

For what it's worth, when the machine boots up, two
options are displayed, both labelled ="Microsoft Windows
XP Home Edition". The first one takes me the new
(unwanted) Windows system, the second one to the 'real'
version.

Robert
-----Original Message-----
Hi Robert,

Thank you for your reply. Please run the following command and check if you
can open the boot.ini file:

notepad c:\boot.ini

Please then post the content of this file, and I will check it.

Thanks!

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Joe
|
|Thanks for your offer of assistance. However, I can't
|find a file called boot.ini on either drive, even wih all
|files unhidden.
|
|Robert
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hello Robert,
|>
|>Thank you for your reply and I appreciate your time and
|efforts on this
|>problem. To remove the parallel operating systems from
|the computer, we can
|>try the following steps to remove one of the Operating
|Systems.
|>
|>Step1. Modify the C:\boot.ini to restore it to the
|original status.
|>
|>Step2. Remove the operating system's \WINDOWS folder.
|>
|>Step3. Remove the "Program Files" folder created by that
|OS, if the
|>applications in the folder are useless.
|>
|>To remove the new system safely, please send the
|C:\BOOT.ini file to me at
|>[email protected] and let me know which the new system
|locates.
|>
|>I will modify the boot.ini file for you.
|>
|>Thanks!
|>
|>Regards,
|>Joe Wu
|>Product Support Services
|>Microsoft Corporation
|>
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|>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
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|>|Hi, Joe. I'm back after a very busy period of work
|which
|>|precluded my following up on your advice. However, I
|have
|>|now carried out the parallel installation.
|>|
|>|I took some time to free up space on the D-drive for the
|>|parallel instal, and defragged the drive twice.
|(Windows
|>|hasn't let me defrag for a while because there hasn't
|been
|>|15% free space on the drive.)
|>|
|>|When running on the parallel OS, the 'big' folder (which
|>|now contains 0 files and 63 sub-folders, with 212,000
|>|files / 34.3 GB in the sub-folders) now takes 1 minute
|and
|>|10 seconds to display. This is a great improvement on
|>|what happened previously, but when I went back to the
|>|original Windows installation, I found that that also
|now
|>|takes 1 minute and 10 seconds, so the improvement must
|be
|>|down to defragging and not to having a clean Windows
|setup.
|>|
|>|I don't know if you feel that 1 Min 10 is OK for reading
|a
|>|folder of that size, but the lesson seems to be to
|defrag
|>|regularly. I would certainly like it to be quicker, but
|I
|>|can live with the current performance.
|>|
|>|By the way, I also uninstalled PaintShop Pro, but that
|>|made no difference at all.
|>|
|>|A final question - How do I get rid of the 'extra'
|Windows
|>|system now ?!
|>|
|>|Thanks for your help.
|>|
|>|Robert
|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>Hello Rebert,
|>|>
|>|>Thank you for your reply.
|>|>
|>|>I think it is not normal that the process lasts 3
|minutes
|>|and 20 seconds.
|>|>Based on the current status, I would like to provide
|the
|>|following
|>|>suggestions:
|>|>
|>|>1. Let's install a parallel Windows XP system on a
|>|partition with enough
|>|>free space and check if the problem occurs in the newly
|>|created system. If
|>|>not, it indicates that the problem is related to a
|>|certain application or
|>|>configurations on the current system. (Note: Please do
|>|NOT install the
|>|>parallel system into the current system partition.)
|>|>
|>|>This can efficiently help us narrow down the problem's
|>|scope.
|>|>
|>|>For more information, please refer to:
|>|>
|>|>266465 HOW TO: Perform a Parallel Installation of
|Windows
|>|2000
|>|>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=266465
|>|>
|>|>Note: The above method also applies to Windows XP.
|>|>
|>|>2. Does the problem occur to other folder which
|contains
|>|a large number of
|>|>subfolders and common files? If not, I would like to
|>|suggest that we
|>|>temporarily uninstall the PaintShop Pro software to
|check
|>|if it is related
|>|>to this problem.
|>|>
|>|>I look forward to your reply. Thanks!
|>|>
|>|>Regards,
|>|>Joe Wu
|>|>Product Support Services
|>|>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>
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|>|>|Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests
|you
|>|>|suggested.
|>|>|
|>|>|1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not
|run
|>|>|Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such
|tab
|>|>|under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop Pro
|4
|>|>|for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
|>|>|everything I need without the complexities of the
|newer
|>|>|versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing. I
|>|have
|>|>|reset the file associations for all image formats to
|>|>|PaintShop Pro.
|>|>|
|>|>|2.1 I created a new user account, although I could
|not
|>|>|follow the steps you set out as there is no item
|>|>|for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer Management
|>|on
|>|>|my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts
|instead.
|>|>|
|>|>|2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted,
|>|logged
|>|>|on the new account and read the famous directory. No
|>|>|change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
|>|>|
|>|>|3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins
|20
|>|>|seconds to open and display the folder that contains
|61
|>|>|folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time to
|>|open
|>|>|and display each of the 61 folders. These folders
|>|contain
|>|>|anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take about
|>|0.5
|>|>|seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the
|>|largest
|>|>|take a further 10 seconds.
|>|>|
|>|>|Robert
|>|>|
|>|>|
|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>Hello Robert,
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the
|time
|>|to
|>|>|perform the tests.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Let's collect more information for further analysis:
|>|>|>
|>|>|>1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking
|>|>|the "Generate
|>|>|>Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I
|think
|>|>|that the suggestion
|>|>|>is reasonable and we can give it a try.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating
|system.
|>|I
|>|>|would like to
|>|>|>suggest that we perform the following tests:
|>|>|>
|>|>|>1) Please create a new user with Administrators
|>|>|priviliges and then logon
|>|>|>as the newly created user to see if it works. This
|test
|>|>|can help us isolate
|>|>|>if the problem is related to the user settings.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>How to create a new user account:
|>|>|>--------------------------------------------
|>|>|>a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
|>|>|>b. Click Administrative Tools.
|>|>|>c. Click Computer Management.
|>|>|>d. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>|>e. Double-click Users.
|>|>|>f. On Action menu, click New User item.
|>|>|>g. Now, please create a new user account.
|>|>|>h. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>|>i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the
|>|>|right pane.
|>|>|>j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
|>|>|>k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created
|>|user
|>|>|account to the
|>|>|>Administrators group.
|>|>|>l. Logoff and login with the newly created user
|account.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and
|>|anti-
|>|>|virus tools,
|>|>|>including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc.
|>|Then
|>|>|reboot your
|>|>|>system and try to perform the test to see if the
|>|problem
|>|>|occurs. Based on
|>|>|>our experience, these kinds of applications run in
|the
|>|>|background
|>|>|>monitoring the file system, and may affect the system
|>|>|performance,
|>|>|>especially when the number of the files are very
|large.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>NOTE:
|>|>|>---------------
|>|>|>
|>|>|>a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we
|>|>|just disable it, a
|>|>|>lot of drivers are still running in the background
|and
|>|>|they will cause the
|>|>|>issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
|>|>|>b. After uninstalling these applications, please do
|NOT
|>|>|surf the Internet
|>|>|>and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your
|>|received
|>|>|e-mails.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files
|in
|>|>|your 61 subfolders,
|>|>|>and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a
|folder.
|>|>|Could let me know
|>|>|>how many files in that folder?
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Thanks!
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Regards,
|>|>|>Joe Wu
|>|>|>Product Support Services
|>|>|>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>|>
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|>|>|>
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|>|>|>|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for
|>|>|Christmas.
|>|>|>|Thanks for all the posts.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
|>|>|>|results. I have used the single largest folder that
|I
|>|>|>|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of
|>|>|Drive
|>|>|>|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders
|>|and
|>|>|0
|>|>|>|files. However, between them, these 61 sub- folders
|>|>|>|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|To read the folder for the first time, Windows
|>|Explorer
|>|>|>|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3
|>|minutes
|>|>|>|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it
|several
|>|>|>|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
|>|>|>|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely
|>|need
|>|>|>|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the
|timings
|>|>|>|would be for that.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|I do not have access to another XP machine so I
|cannot
|>|>|try
|>|>|>|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say
|that
|>|>|>|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE
|and
|>|>|was
|>|>|>|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an
|identical
|>|>|>|folder structure and identical numbers of files was
|>|>|almost
|>|>|>|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this
|>|problem
|>|>|is
|>|>|>|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I
|>|stripped
|>|>|>|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it
|to
|>|>|NTFS
|>|>|>|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
|>|>|>|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive
|D
|>|is
|>|>|>|used solely for data and there are no system files
|on
|>|it.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|Robert
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>>Hello,
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>Thank you for your posts.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit
|>|longer
|>|>|>|>than normal to list
|>|>|>|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If
|possible,
|>|I
|>|>|>|>would like to suggest
|>|>|>|>>that you classify these image files to more
|>|subfolders.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>In the meantime, please help me check the
|following:
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer,
|press
|>|>|the
|>|>|>|>F8 key when the
|>|>|>|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot
|up)
|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>check if the issue
|>|>|>|>>still occurs.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and
|check
|>|>|how
|>|>|>|>fast the files are
|>|>|>|>>displayed.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to
|>|>|another
|>|>|>|>Windows XP machine
|>|>|>|>>and check how well it works.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>Regards,
|>|>|>|>>Joe Wu
|>|>|>|>>Product Support Services
|>|>|>|>>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>================================================= ==
|=
|>|>|>|>>When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group"
|>|via
|>|>|>|>your newsreader so
|>|>|>|>>that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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|=
|>|>|>|>>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no
|warranties,
|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>confers no rights.
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|>|>|>|>>|From: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>|>|>|>>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <[email protected]>
|>|>|>|>>|References: <009d01c3b501$a7be30c0
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|>|>|>|>><[email protected]>
|>|>|>|>>|Subject: Windows Explorer
|>|>|>|>>|Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:05:58 -0800
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|>|>|>|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use
|>|>|the 'Detail'
|>|>|>|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I
|>|do,
|>|>|>|it
|>|>|>|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken.
|>|You
|>|>|>|>still
|>|>|>|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|>|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>|>>|Robert
|>|>|>|>>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>>|>Hi,
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|>Try this:
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up _d
|et
|>|ai
|>|>|le
|>|>|>|d
|>|>|>|>_v
|>|>|>|>>|i
|>|>|>|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|>Regards,
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|>Tim
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
|>|>|>|before
|>|>|>|>>|>but
|>|>|>|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer
|to
|>|>|>|>browse
|>|>|>|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia
|>|>|files.
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-
|>|copywrite
|>|>|>|>>|>images
|>|>|>|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical
|publications
|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large
|>|numbers
|>|>|>|of
|>|>|>|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as
|well
|>|>|as
|>|>|>|a
|>|>|>|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files.
|For
|>|>|easy
|>|>|>|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>|>|>|>>|>categorised
|>|>|>|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but
|nevertheless
|>|>|it
|>|>|>|>is
|>|>|>|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in
|excess
|>|>|of
|>|>|>|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine
|(80GB)
|>|>|has
|>|>|>|>10
|>|>|>|>>|>GB
|>|>|>|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image
|>|>|files
|>|>|>|>(in
|>|>|>|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer
|>|can
|>|>|>|be
|>|>|>|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand
|that
|>|>|this
|>|>|>|>is
|>|>|>|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or
|>|>|parsing
|>|>|>|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for
|>|wait
|>|>|>|up
|>|>|>|>>|to
|>|>|>|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the
|folders
|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>>|when
|>|>|>|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
|>|>|>|display,
|>|>|>|>I
|>|>|>|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour
|without
|>|>|>|>having
|>|>|>|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties
|on
|>|>|my
|>|>|>|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
|>|>|>|>numbers
|>|>|>|>>|>of
|>|>|>|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400
|>|2Mhz,
|>|>|>|>512
|>|>|>|>>|>MB
|>|>|>|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
|>|>|>|>>|>>.
|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>>|>.
|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>>.
|>|>|>|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
|>|>|>|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
|>|>|>|> From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
|>|>|>|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>|>|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to
|>|display
|>|>|>|in
|>|>|>|>folder view
|>|>|>|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
|>|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I
|have
|>|>|>|>changed video cards
|>|>|>|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried
|>|different
|>|>|>|>monitors.
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>> Rich
|>|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com
|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John
|>|Inzer.
|>|>|>|>Thanks!
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
|>|>|>|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
|>|>|>|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
|>|>|>|>then click OK"
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of
|>|>|thousands
|>|>|>|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to
|the
|>|>|same
|>|>|>|>question. You only have to do this to one file and
|>|it
|>|>|>|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>.
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>
|>|>|>.
|>|>|>
|>|>|
|>|>
|>|>.
|>|>
|>|
|>
|>.
|>
|

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J

Joe Wu [MSFT]

Hello Robert,

Thanks for your reply.

I think that we can use the following method to remove the unwanted system.

1. Edit the boot.ini file (it is a hidden system file, and the 'Read-only"
attribute may be enabled).

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home
Edition" /fastdetect

I have insert a sample boot.ini in this post. You can use it it replace the
current one in C:\.

Note: Please backup the boot.ini file first.

2. Remove the setup files for the new system.

From your boot.ini file, the system locates on the second harddisk, am I
correct?

We can remove the "Documents and Settings","Windows" and "Program Files"
folders in this disk. To ensure that everything will works well, please
boot into the original system and rename these folders in the second disk.
After rebooting the system and ensuring that everything works, you can then
go ahead and delete these renamed folders safely.

Please note: Once data is removed from the disk, you may be unable to
recover it. For this reason, please use caution in selecting those files
to delete. Also, if you are not sure about a particular file/folder, it is
best not to delete it.

I hope this helps. Thanks and have a great day! :)

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Joe
|
|Thanks as always. Here is the contents of boot.ini:
|[boot loader]
|timeout=30
|default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS
|[operating systems]
|multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft
|Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
|multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft
|Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
|
|For what it's worth, when the machine boots up, two
|options are displayed, both labelled ="Microsoft Windows
|XP Home Edition". The first one takes me the new
|(unwanted) Windows system, the second one to the 'real'
|version.
|
|Robert
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hi Robert,
|>
|>Thank you for your reply. Please run the following
|command and check if you
|>can open the boot.ini file:
|>
|>notepad c:\boot.ini
|>
|>Please then post the content of this file, and I will
|check it.
|>
|>Thanks!
|>
|>Regards,
|>Joe Wu
|>Product Support Services
|>Microsoft Corporation
|>
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|>|Joe
|>|
|>|Thanks for your offer of assistance. However, I can't
|>|find a file called boot.ini on either drive, even wih
|all
|>|files unhidden.
|>|
|>|Robert
|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>Hello Robert,
|>|>
|>|>Thank you for your reply and I appreciate your time and
|>|efforts on this
|>|>problem. To remove the parallel operating systems from
|>|the computer, we can
|>|>try the following steps to remove one of the Operating
|>|Systems.
|>|>
|>|>Step1. Modify the C:\boot.ini to restore it to the
|>|original status.
|>|>
|>|>Step2. Remove the operating system's \WINDOWS folder.
|>|>
|>|>Step3. Remove the "Program Files" folder created by
|that
|>|OS, if the
|>|>applications in the folder are useless.
|>|>
|>|>To remove the new system safely, please send the
|>|C:\BOOT.ini file to me at
|>|>[email protected] and let me know which the new
|system
|>|locates.
|>|>
|>|>I will modify the boot.ini file for you.
|>|>
|>|>Thanks!
|>|>
|>|>Regards,
|>|>Joe Wu
|>|>Product Support Services
|>|>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>
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|>|>|Hi, Joe. I'm back after a very busy period of work
|>|which
|>|>|precluded my following up on your advice. However, I
|>|have
|>|>|now carried out the parallel installation.
|>|>|
|>|>|I took some time to free up space on the D-drive for
|the
|>|>|parallel instal, and defragged the drive twice.
|>|(Windows
|>|>|hasn't let me defrag for a while because there hasn't
|>|been
|>|>|15% free space on the drive.)
|>|>|
|>|>|When running on the parallel OS, the 'big' folder
|(which
|>|>|now contains 0 files and 63 sub-folders, with 212,000
|>|>|files / 34.3 GB in the sub-folders) now takes 1 minute
|>|and
|>|>|10 seconds to display. This is a great improvement on
|>|>|what happened previously, but when I went back to the
|>|>|original Windows installation, I found that that also
|>|now
|>|>|takes 1 minute and 10 seconds, so the improvement must
|>|be
|>|>|down to defragging and not to having a clean Windows
|>|setup.
|>|>|
|>|>|I don't know if you feel that 1 Min 10 is OK for
|reading
|>|a
|>|>|folder of that size, but the lesson seems to be to
|>|defrag
|>|>|regularly. I would certainly like it to be quicker,
|but
|>|I
|>|>|can live with the current performance.
|>|>|
|>|>|By the way, I also uninstalled PaintShop Pro, but that
|>|>|made no difference at all.
|>|>|
|>|>|A final question - How do I get rid of the 'extra'
|>|Windows
|>|>|system now ?!
|>|>|
|>|>|Thanks for your help.
|>|>|
|>|>|Robert
|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>Hello Rebert,
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Thank you for your reply.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>I think it is not normal that the process lasts 3
|>|minutes
|>|>|and 20 seconds.
|>|>|>Based on the current status, I would like to provide
|>|the
|>|>|following
|>|>|>suggestions:
|>|>|>
|>|>|>1. Let's install a parallel Windows XP system on a
|>|>|partition with enough
|>|>|>free space and check if the problem occurs in the
|newly
|>|>|created system. If
|>|>|>not, it indicates that the problem is related to a
|>|>|certain application or
|>|>|>configurations on the current system. (Note: Please
|do
|>|>|NOT install the
|>|>|>parallel system into the current system partition.)
|>|>|>
|>|>|>This can efficiently help us narrow down the
|problem's
|>|>|scope.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>For more information, please refer to:
|>|>|>
|>|>|>266465 HOW TO: Perform a Parallel Installation of
|>|Windows
|>|>|2000
|>|>|>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=266465
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Note: The above method also applies to Windows XP.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>2. Does the problem occur to other folder which
|>|contains
|>|>|a large number of
|>|>|>subfolders and common files? If not, I would like to
|>|>|suggest that we
|>|>|>temporarily uninstall the PaintShop Pro software to
|>|check
|>|>|if it is related
|>|>|>to this problem.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>I look forward to your reply. Thanks!
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Regards,
|>|>|>Joe Wu
|>|>|>Product Support Services
|>|>|>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>|>
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|>|>|>|Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests
|>|you
|>|>|>|suggested.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not
|>|run
|>|>|>|Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such
|>|tab
|>|>|>|under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop
|Pro
|>|4
|>|>|>|for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
|>|>|>|everything I need without the complexities of the
|>|newer
|>|>|>|versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing.
|I
|>|>|have
|>|>|>|reset the file associations for all image formats to
|>|>|>|PaintShop Pro.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|2.1 I created a new user account, although I could
|>|not
|>|>|>|follow the steps you set out as there is no item
|>|>|>|for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer
|Management
|>|>|on
|>|>|>|my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts
|>|instead.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted,
|>|>|logged
|>|>|>|on the new account and read the famous directory.
|No
|>|>|>|change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins
|>|20
|>|>|>|seconds to open and display the folder that contains
|>|61
|>|>|>|folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time
|to
|>|>|open
|>|>|>|and display each of the 61 folders. These folders
|>|>|contain
|>|>|>|anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take
|about
|>|>|0.5
|>|>|>|seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the
|>|>|largest
|>|>|>|take a further 10 seconds.
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|Robert
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>Hello Robert,
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the
|>|time
|>|>|to
|>|>|>|perform the tests.
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>Let's collect more information for further analysis:
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking
|>|>|>|the "Generate
|>|>|>|>Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I
|>|think
|>|>|>|that the suggestion
|>|>|>|>is reasonable and we can give it a try.
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating
|>|system.
|>|>|I
|>|>|>|would like to
|>|>|>|>suggest that we perform the following tests:
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>1) Please create a new user with Administrators
|>|>|>|priviliges and then logon
|>|>|>|>as the newly created user to see if it works. This
|>|test
|>|>|>|can help us isolate
|>|>|>|>if the problem is related to the user settings.
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>How to create a new user account:
|>|>|>|>--------------------------------------------
|>|>|>|>a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
|>|>|>|>b. Click Administrative Tools.
|>|>|>|>c. Click Computer Management.
|>|>|>|>d. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>|>|>e. Double-click Users.
|>|>|>|>f. On Action menu, click New User item.
|>|>|>|>g. Now, please create a new user account.
|>|>|>|>h. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>|>|>i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in
|the
|>|>|>|right pane.
|>|>|>|>j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
|>|>|>|>k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created
|>|>|user
|>|>|>|account to the
|>|>|>|>Administrators group.
|>|>|>|>l. Logoff and login with the newly created user
|>|account.
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall
|and
|>|>|anti-
|>|>|>|virus tools,
|>|>|>|>including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security,
|etc.
|>|>|Then
|>|>|>|reboot your
|>|>|>|>system and try to perform the test to see if the
|>|>|problem
|>|>|>|occurs. Based on
|>|>|>|>our experience, these kinds of applications run in
|>|the
|>|>|>|background
|>|>|>|>monitoring the file system, and may affect the
|system
|>|>|>|performance,
|>|>|>|>especially when the number of the files are very
|>|large.
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>NOTE:
|>|>|>|>---------------
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If
|we
|>|>|>|just disable it, a
|>|>|>|>lot of drivers are still running in the background
|>|and
|>|>|>|they will cause the
|>|>|>|>issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
|>|>|>|>b. After uninstalling these applications, please do
|>|NOT
|>|>|>|surf the Internet
|>|>|>|>and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your
|>|>|received
|>|>|>|e-mails.
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg
|files
|>|in
|>|>|>|your 61 subfolders,
|>|>|>|>and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a
|>|folder.
|>|>|>|Could let me know
|>|>|>|>how many files in that folder?
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>Thanks!
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>Regards,
|>|>|>|>Joe Wu
|>|>|>|>Product Support Services
|>|>|>|>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>|>|>
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|>|>|>|>|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for
|>|>|>|Christmas.
|>|>|>|>|Thanks for all the posts.
|>|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|>|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the
|following
|>|>|>|>|results. I have used the single largest folder
|that
|>|I
|>|>|>|>|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root
|of
|>|>|>|Drive
|>|>|>|>|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61
|folders
|>|>|and
|>|>|>|0
|>|>|>|>|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-
|folders
|>|>|>|>|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying
|36.1GB !
|>|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|>|To read the folder for the first time, Windows
|>|>|Explorer
|>|>|>|>|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3
|>|>|minutes
|>|>|>|>|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it
|>|several
|>|>|>|>|times and these results are repeatable.) Both
|these
|>|>|>|>|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I
|rarely
|>|>|need
|>|>|>|>|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the
|>|timings
|>|>|>|>|would be for that.
|>|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|>|I do not have access to another XP machine so I
|>|cannot
|>|>|>|try
|>|>|>|>|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say
|>|that
|>|>|>|>|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE
|>|and
|>|>|>|was
|>|>|>|>|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an
|>|identical
|>|>|>|>|folder structure and identical numbers of files
|was
|>|>|>|almost
|>|>|>|>|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this
|>|>|problem
|>|>|>|is
|>|>|>|>|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I
|>|>|stripped
|>|>|>|>|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it
|>|to
|>|>|>|NTFS
|>|>|>|>|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
|>|>|>|>|performance. As I have previously mentioned,
|Drive
|>|D
|>|>|is
|>|>|>|>|used solely for data and there are no system files
|>|on
|>|>|it.
|>|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|>|Robert
|>|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>|>>Hello,
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>Thank you for your posts.
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit
|>|>|longer
|>|>|>|>|>than normal to list
|>|>|>|>|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If
|>|possible,
|>|>|I
|>|>|>|>|>would like to suggest
|>|>|>|>|>>that you classify these image files to more
|>|>|subfolders.
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>In the meantime, please help me check the
|>|following:
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer,
|>|press
|>|>|>|the
|>|>|>|>|>F8 key when the
|>|>|>|>|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot
|>|up)
|>|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>|>check if the issue
|>|>|>|>|>>still occurs.
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and
|>|check
|>|>|>|how
|>|>|>|>|>fast the files are
|>|>|>|>|>>displayed.
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to
|>|>|>|another
|>|>|>|>|>Windows XP machine
|>|>|>|>|>>and check how well it works.
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>Regards,
|>|>|>|>|>>Joe Wu
|>|>|>|>|>>Product Support Services
|>|>|>|>|>>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>|>|>|>>
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|>|>|>|>|>>microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain:11958
|6
|>|>|>|>|>>|NNTP-Posting-Host: tk2msftngxa09.phx.gbl
|>|10.40.1.161
|>|>|>|>|>>|X-Tomcat-NG:
|>|>|>|microsoft.public.windowsxp.perform_maintain
|>|>|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>|>|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use
|>|>|>|the 'Detail'
|>|>|>|>|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when
|I
|>|>|do,
|>|>|>|>|it
|>|>|>|>|>>|makes very little difference to the time
|taken.
|>|>|You
|>|>|>|>|>still
|>|>|>|>|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white
|screen !
|>|>|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>|>|>>|Robert
|>|>|>|>|>>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>|>>|>Hi,
|>|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>Try this:
|>|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up
|_d
|>|et
|>|>|ai
|>|>|>|le
|>|>|>|>|d
|>|>|>|>|>_v
|>|>|>|>|>>|i
|>|>|>|>|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>Regards,
|>|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>Tim
|>|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been
|raised
|>|>|>|>|before
|>|>|>|>|>>|>but
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows
|Explorer
|>|to
|>|>|>|>|>browse
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of
|multimedia
|>|>|>|files.
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-
|>|>|copywrite
|>|>|>|>|>>|>images
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical
|>|publications
|>|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large
|>|>|numbers
|>|>|>|>|of
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as
|>|well
|>|>|>|as
|>|>|>|>|a
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files.
|>|For
|>|>|>|easy
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted
|and
|>|>|>|>|>>|>categorised
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but
|>|nevertheless
|>|>|>|it
|>|>|>|>|>is
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in
|>|excess
|>|>|>|of
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine
|>|(80GB)
|>|>|>|has
|>|>|>|>|>10
|>|>|>|>|>>|>GB
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than
|image
|>|>|>|files
|>|>|>|>|>(in
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows
|Explorer
|>|>|can
|>|>|>|>|be
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand
|>|that
|>|>|>|this
|>|>|>|>|>is
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or
|>|>|>|parsing
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can
|for
|>|>|wait
|>|>|>|>|up
|>|>|>|>|>>|to
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the
|>|folders
|>|>|>|and
|>|>|>|>|>>|when
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
|>|>|>|>|display,
|>|>|>|>|>I
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour
|>|without
|>|>|>|>|>having
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no
|difficulties
|>|on
|>|>|>|my
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with
|similar
|>|>|>|>|>numbers
|>|>|>|>|>>|>of
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400
|>|>|2Mhz,
|>|>|>|>|>512
|>|>|>|>|>>|>MB
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>.
|>|>|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>|>.
|>|>|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>>.
|>|>|>|>|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
|>|>|>|>|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
|>|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
|>|>|>|>|> From: "Rich Touart" <[email protected]> Sent:
|>|>|>|>|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
|>|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>
|message
|>|>|>|>|>|>|>|>|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to
|>|>|display
|>|>|>|>|in
|>|>|>|>|>folder view
|>|>|>|>|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
|>|>|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I
|>|have
|>|>|>|>|>changed video cards
|>|>|>|>|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried
|>|>|different
|>|>|>|>|>monitors.
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>> Rich
|>|>|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com
|>|>|>|>|>>
|>|>|>|>|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John
|>|>|Inzer.
|>|>|>|>|>Thanks!
|>|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
|>|>|>|>|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
|>|>|>|>|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
|>|>|>|>|>then click OK"
|>|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of
|>|>|>|thousands
|>|>|>|>|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to
|>|the
|>|>|>|same
|>|>|>|>|>question. You only have to do this to one file
|and
|>|>|it
|>|>|>|>|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
|>|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|>.
|>|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>|
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|>.
|>|>|>|>
|>|>|>|
|>|>|>
|>|>|>.
|>|>|>
|>|>|
|>|>
|>|>.
|>|>
|>|
|>
|>.
|>
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