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Johnno
I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate one
covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
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Kenny
Hope this helps.
Kenny
Kenny
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Peter Foldes
Kenny
The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people using
obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
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Peter
Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
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The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people using
obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
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Peter
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Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
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PA Bear [MS MVP]
MS decided to end public newsgroup support:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
There are only Win7-specific forums:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windows7
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
There are only Win7-specific forums:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windows7
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milt
I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.
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milt
Kenny
The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
Why, just because its not run by Microsoft? Its a perfectly valid
newsgroup to get help with Windows 7. At least someone is providing
newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.
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Ken Blake, MVP
Why, just because its not run by Microsoft?
No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true.
There's much more garbage there than anything useful.
Its a perfectly valid
newsgroup to get help with Windows 7.
True. However the amount of garbage is staggering.
At least someone is providing
newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.
Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor.
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Ken Blake, MVP
alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.
Please note that your use of the term "this server" isn't really
correct. What's "this" for you isn't "this" for all of us. For
example, you may be getting this newsgroup from a Microsoft server,
but I no longer am. I switched away from the Microsoft server several
weeks ago.
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Antonio Celso
access the newsgroup alt.windows7.general by the server nntp.aioe.org
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milt
You're getting the forums confused with the newsgroup.No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true.
There's much more garbage there than anything useful.
Not really, I don't see much garbage, however, trying to sort throughTrue. However the amount of garbage is staggering.
all the noise on the forums is staggering.
Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor.
Yeah, I guess the forums are better because its all about Win7 but its
about the same 10 questions asked about 100 times and trying to find any
helpful answers? Good luck with that. However, I'm sure as an MVP its
your job to shuttle people to the forums and disregard any alternatives,
especially ones that still show newsgroups as a viable alternative
because that goes against what MS says.
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milt
Ken, do you have any insight as to why MS really decided to discontinue the
newsgroups? What their real reason was (since they were so heavily used)?
Probably because the majority of their users don't know what a newsgroup is?
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Ken Blake, MVP
Ken, do you have any insight as to why MS really decided to discontinue the
newsgroups? What their real reason was (since they were so heavily used)?
Insight? No.
My guess is that at least part of the reason is that they wanted to
have more control than they felt they could easily have in newsgroups.
But that's just a guess.
U
Unknown
My guess would be cost. If you were the CEO would you continue paying for
it?
it?
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Ken Blake, MVP
You're getting the forums confused with the newsgroup.
Not at all. Have you looked at the alt.windows7.general newsgroup
recently? Unfortunately there is far more trolling there than real
content.
And unfortunately the trolls get answers and arguments rather than
being ignored. If they would get ignored, as they should be, they
would quickly get bored and stop trolling.
Not really, I don't see much garbage, however, trying to sort through
all the noise on the forums is staggering.
Yeah, I guess the forums are better because its all about Win7 but its
about the same 10 questions asked about 100 times and trying to find any
helpful answers?
Absolutely true. There are many things wrong with the forums and
that's one of them. I am decidedly *not* in favor of everyone's
changing to the Microsoft forums instead of the newsgroups.
Good luck with that. However, I'm sure as an MVP its
your job to shuttle people to the forums and disregard any alternatives,
especially ones that still show newsgroups as a viable alternative
because that goes against what MS says.
That's completely wrong. I am *strongly* in favor of newsgroups rather
than the Microsoft forums, not simply as a "viable alternative," but
as a much better way to do this. In my view, Microsoft made a very bad
mistake by trying to move everyone from newsgroups to web-based
forums. I've even told that to Microsoft, but they weren't interested
in my point of view. That's their choice, of course. They make the
decisions, not me.
Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an
MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can,
and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of
what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but
they won't change my view simply because that's their view.
I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old
still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the
alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums,
I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Forté Agent newsreader rather
than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it
takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of)
newsgroups.
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SC Tom
Ken Blake said:Not at all. Have you looked at the alt.windows7.general newsgroup
recently? Unfortunately there is far more trolling there than real
content.
And unfortunately the trolls get answers and arguments rather than
being ignored. If they would get ignored, as they should be, they
would quickly get bored and stop trolling.
Absolutely true. There are many things wrong with the forums and
that's one of them. I am decidedly *not* in favor of everyone's
changing to the Microsoft forums instead of the newsgroups.
That's completely wrong. I am *strongly* in favor of newsgroups rather
than the Microsoft forums, not simply as a "viable alternative," but
as a much better way to do this. In my view, Microsoft made a very bad
mistake by trying to move everyone from newsgroups to web-based
forums. I've even told that to Microsoft, but they weren't interested
in my point of view. That's their choice, of course. They make the
decisions, not me.
Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an
MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can,
and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of
what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but
they won't change my view simply because that's their view.
I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old
still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the
alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums,
I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Forté Agent newsreader rather
than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it
takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of)
newsgroups.
Well said, Ken.
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milt
My guess would be cost. If you were the CEO would you continue paying for
it?
When talking bandwidth, it was probably cheaper to run the NNTP server
then it would be to run the forums on their webserver. More graphics and
such on the website, more data transferred.
K
Ken Blake, MVP
G
Guest
The Microsoft Windows 7 forum is awful by any measure.
I don't know anything about the monkey business that occurs onWin7
newsgroup but I have never been disappointed in the large amount of
the Ha Ha Herman games played on this newsgroup but I have gleaned
much useful information by lurking here for years, Never did get
around to setting up my news reader as someone usually points out
because I use the web interface but I don't post often and this is the
only news group I signed on for.
The Official Microsoft Windows 7 forum is dissected into so many
subforums and I have never found the answers I was seeking when I have
tried it, You will sometimes see a Microsoft employee(presumably there
on Microsoft's design) really help. If someone has a problem which is
likely due to a flaw in Win 7 they never admit it. They usually cause
that thread to "dry up". Not exactly locked just rendered meaningless.
I guess that is what automatic updates from Microsoft are for?
Another Windows 7 forum exists but is not sponsored by Microsoft. It
seems to be subsidized by registry cleaning software makers.
It it even more useless than the official forum.
On the positive side, Windows 7 seems to be(at least for me) a pretty
trouble free version of Windows. I have 2 new Win 7 Home Premium
equipped laptops and one which is a XP Home Media edition. I am
surprised how often I have been able to chew my way out of any paper
bags Win 7 has put me in by my own devices. Often that is because of
ideas I have absorbed from this XP newsgroup(how to solve problems is
one of the greatest benefits of this news group), found an answer on
Google or from David Pogue's book, Windows 7 Home Premium, the Missing
Manual. I recommend that book over the Win 7 forums for those who
still read books. I read a report about a study done comparing
electronic readers like Kindle and actual books. The conclusion:
Actual books are read at 10% faster rates than readers(virtual books).
Trivia of the day.
I don't know anything about the monkey business that occurs onWin7
newsgroup but I have never been disappointed in the large amount of
the Ha Ha Herman games played on this newsgroup but I have gleaned
much useful information by lurking here for years, Never did get
around to setting up my news reader as someone usually points out
because I use the web interface but I don't post often and this is the
only news group I signed on for.
The Official Microsoft Windows 7 forum is dissected into so many
subforums and I have never found the answers I was seeking when I have
tried it, You will sometimes see a Microsoft employee(presumably there
on Microsoft's design) really help. If someone has a problem which is
likely due to a flaw in Win 7 they never admit it. They usually cause
that thread to "dry up". Not exactly locked just rendered meaningless.
I guess that is what automatic updates from Microsoft are for?
Another Windows 7 forum exists but is not sponsored by Microsoft. It
seems to be subsidized by registry cleaning software makers.
It it even more useless than the official forum.
On the positive side, Windows 7 seems to be(at least for me) a pretty
trouble free version of Windows. I have 2 new Win 7 Home Premium
equipped laptops and one which is a XP Home Media edition. I am
surprised how often I have been able to chew my way out of any paper
bags Win 7 has put me in by my own devices. Often that is because of
ideas I have absorbed from this XP newsgroup(how to solve problems is
one of the greatest benefits of this news group), found an answer on
Google or from David Pogue's book, Windows 7 Home Premium, the Missing
Manual. I recommend that book over the Win 7 forums for those who
still read books. I read a report about a study done comparing
electronic readers like Kindle and actual books. The conclusion:
Actual books are read at 10% faster rates than readers(virtual books).
Trivia of the day.
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SC Tom
Ken Blake said:Thanks very much, Tom.
You're more than welcome!
I just about quit all of these newsgroups and went with the forums via the
Community NNTP Bridge, and then I see posts from you and others with a sense
of sanity about them, and decided to leave them on for a while longer. My
ISP carries copies of the MS groups (even the ones that MS has already
dropped), so I can continue with them even after MS closes them all until
there are no more new posts.
I don't know if it's the bridge or just the way they are posted in the
Answers and TechNet forums, but quite often I open a post and the subject
line and topic is much different than the subject line in the listing. I
opened one dealing with a video card, thinking maybe I could help, and found
that the article was about a network adapter. Go figure!