win xp to win7 question

D

Debbie Graham

Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still don't open
any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID or a faster hard
drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't imagine it being too much
more faster than my 7,200. I buy my stuff at newegg.com.

Debbie
 
J

JS

What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know
 
J

Jim

Windows 7 is not VISTA, I never like Vista,
still don't after spending 4 hours on a friends
PC trying to install one software application.

Went home, tried the same software on Win 7
and Vista, guess which OS had not problems with
the install.

Trust me after a short learning period you will like Windows 7.
Yes 7 looks like Vista but its not.

Windows 7 RC for XP users - How to find your way around (Part 2)
http://www.pagestart.com/win7forxpuserspart2.html

With respect : what software took 4 hours to install . I`m using Vista
, with Comodo and the longest software install took 10 miutes .
 
J

JS

We never did get it to install so rather than
badmouth the software application I'm going
to take another shot at it in about 10 days
(he has an odd work shift). Suffice to say
Vista's UAC keep getting in the way of the
installing and updating of the software.
 
J

Jim

We never did get it to install so rather than
badmouth the software application I'm going
to take another shot at it in about 10 days
(he has an odd work shift). Suffice to say
Vista's UAC keep getting in the way of the
installing and updating of the software.

Turn UAC off temp , install , turn it on ?
 
D

Debbie Graham

There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5K-V
Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie
 
J

JS

First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5K-V
Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie
 
D

Debbie Graham

Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my average
speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the CPUID and the
bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I don't understand.
The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was 4 normals, 1 good and
the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS next.


Debbie


JS said:
First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5K-V
Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



JS said:
What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still don't
open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID or a faster
hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't imagine it being
too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my stuff at newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out over RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu, power
supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a year or 2
is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard drives, I'm
looking for a faster hard drive so which one would be faster, a SATA
15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's what
I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you think
you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed out, maybe
by that time you'll need a new computer, anyway (with the new OS
preinstalled), since the demands on the computer hardware for a new
OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even
better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have so
many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale. Otherwise
I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from win 98,
just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still use
the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a full
install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also I
have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a upgrade and
not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
J

JS

59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if your
memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my average
speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the CPUID and the
bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I don't understand.
The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was 4 normals, 1 good and
the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS next.


Debbie


JS said:
First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still don't
open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID or a
faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't imagine it
being too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my stuff at
newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out over
RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu, power
supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a year or 2
is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard drives, I'm
looking for a faster hard drive so which one would be faster, a SATA
15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's
what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you
think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed out,
maybe by that time you'll need a new computer, anyway (with the new
OS preinstalled), since the demands on the computer hardware for a
new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even
better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have so
many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale. Otherwise
I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from win
98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still use
the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a full
install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also I
have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a upgrade
and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
D

Debbie Graham

this is the RAM I have

a.. CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-8500C5 - Retail46981299
a..
and this is what CPUID said

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/memory.bmp

Debbie

JS said:
59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if your
memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my average
speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the CPUID and
the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I don't
understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was 4
normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS next.


Debbie


JS said:
First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still
don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID or
a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't imagine
it being too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my stuff at
newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out over
RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu,
power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a
year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard
drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive so which one would be
faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's
what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you
think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed
out, maybe by that time you'll need a new computer, anyway (with
the new OS preinstalled), since the demands on the computer
hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even
better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have so
many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs
out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from win
98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still use
the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a
full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also I
have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a upgrade
and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
D

Debbie Graham

Oh and in my BIOS under Intel Speedstep tech Auto is CPU speed controlled my
operating system amd Disabled is default CPU speed. Mine is set to enabled,
Auto


Debbie


JS said:
59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if your
memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my average
speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the CPUID and
the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I don't
understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was 4
normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS next.


Debbie


JS said:
First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still
don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID or
a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't imagine
it being too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my stuff at
newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out over
RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu,
power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a
year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard
drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive so which one would be
faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's
what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you
think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed
out, maybe by that time you'll need a new computer, anyway (with
the new OS preinstalled), since the demands on the computer
hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even
better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have so
many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs
out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from win
98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still use
the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a
full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also I
have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a upgrade
and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
J

JS

Your memory is more than meets the speed requirements
based on the processor's FSB speed. But for some reason
what CPUID said doesn't match what CORSAIR has rated
your memory at which is PC2 8500. SPD basically queries
your memory stick in order to get the info you posted at fileden.com

You may want to check slot #2 to see if it agrees with the slot #1 values.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
this is the RAM I have

a.. CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-8500C5 - Retail46981299
a..
and this is what CPUID said

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/memory.bmp

Debbie

JS said:
59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if your
memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my average
speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the CPUID and
the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I don't
understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was 4
normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS next.


Debbie


First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still
don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID or
a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't
imagine it being too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my stuff
at newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out over
RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu,
power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a
year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard
drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive so which one would be
faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's
what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you
think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed
out, maybe by that time you'll need a new computer, anyway (with
the new OS preinstalled), since the demands on the computer
hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even
better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have
so many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs
out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from win
98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still
use the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a
full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also I
have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a upgrade
and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
J

JS

Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology How To Document:
http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/203838.htm

If you read this article near the bottom of the page are two figures.
Figure #1 shows how "with SpeedStep enabled" you processor's
speed is reduced. This could account for the slow performance.

After you disable SpeedStep check CPU-ID again for reported
processor speed.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
Oh and in my BIOS under Intel Speedstep tech Auto is CPU speed controlled
my operating system amd Disabled is default CPU speed. Mine is set to
enabled, Auto


Debbie


JS said:
59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if your
memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my average
speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the CPUID and
the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I don't
understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was 4
normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS next.


Debbie


First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still
don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID or
a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't
imagine it being too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my stuff
at newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out over
RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu,
power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a
year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard
drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive so which one would be
faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's
what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you
think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed
out, maybe by that time you'll need a new computer, anyway (with
the new OS preinstalled), since the demands on the computer
hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even
better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have
so many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs
out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from win
98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still
use the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a
full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also I
have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a upgrade
and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
D

Debbie Graham

well actually it's slot 3, I was told by Cosair that if you only have 2
sticks to put them in slot 1 and 3 and yes it's the same value on both.

Debbie

JS said:
Your memory is more than meets the speed requirements
based on the processor's FSB speed. But for some reason
what CPUID said doesn't match what CORSAIR has rated
your memory at which is PC2 8500. SPD basically queries
your memory stick in order to get the info you posted at fileden.com

You may want to check slot #2 to see if it agrees with the slot #1 values.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
this is the RAM I have

a.. CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-8500C5 - Retail46981299
a..
and this is what CPUID said

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/memory.bmp

Debbie

JS said:
59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if your
memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my
average speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the
CPUID and the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I
don't understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was 4
normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS next.


Debbie


First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still
don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID
or a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't
imagine it being too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my
stuff at newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out over
RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu,
power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a
year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard
drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive so which one would be
faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's
what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you
think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed
out, maybe by that time you'll need a new computer, anyway (with
the new OS preinstalled), since the demands on the computer
hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even
better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have
so many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs
out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from win
98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still
use the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a
full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also I
have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a upgrade
and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
J

JS

You're right, I meant slot 3 as your running Dual Channel.

Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5 (DDR2-1066/PC2-8500) 2 GB Memory Kit Review
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/363

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
well actually it's slot 3, I was told by Cosair that if you only have 2
sticks to put them in slot 1 and 3 and yes it's the same value on both.

Debbie

JS said:
Your memory is more than meets the speed requirements
based on the processor's FSB speed. But for some reason
what CPUID said doesn't match what CORSAIR has rated
your memory at which is PC2 8500. SPD basically queries
your memory stick in order to get the info you posted at fileden.com

You may want to check slot #2 to see if it agrees with the slot #1
values.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
this is the RAM I have

a.. CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-8500C5 - Retail46981299
a..
and this is what CPUID said

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/memory.bmp

Debbie

59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if
your memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my
average speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the
CPUID and the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I
don't understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was
4 normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS
next.


Debbie


First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still
don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID
or a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't
imagine it being too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my
stuff at newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out
over RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu,
power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a
year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard
drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive so which one would
be faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's
what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that
you think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have
pointed out, maybe by that time you'll need a new computer,
anyway (with the new OS preinstalled), since the demands on the
computer hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even
better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have
so many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs
out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from
win 98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still
use the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a
full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also
I have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a
upgrade and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
D

Debbie Graham

okay I enabled and disabled the speedstep and I get the same readings bus
speed 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. I left it on disabled. Now for the RAM.
I read that article and I first had the voltage at 2.10 but that article
said 2.2 so I changed it. I went from setting it to 800MHZand timings as
4-4-4-12 and the CPUID read DRAM Freq 400.7 and FSB:DRAM 5:6, then I went
back and set it to the 1066 and back up to 5-5-5-15 and CPUID read DRAM Freq
534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8. Which is better? I'm assuming leaving it to
were it was at 1066

Debbie

JS said:
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology How To Document:
http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/203838.htm

If you read this article near the bottom of the page are two figures.
Figure #1 shows how "with SpeedStep enabled" you processor's
speed is reduced. This could account for the slow performance.

After you disable SpeedStep check CPU-ID again for reported
processor speed.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
Oh and in my BIOS under Intel Speedstep tech Auto is CPU speed controlled
my operating system amd Disabled is default CPU speed. Mine is set to
enabled, Auto


Debbie


JS said:
59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if your
memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my
average speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the
CPUID and the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I
don't understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was 4
normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS next.


Debbie


First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still
don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID
or a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't
imagine it being too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my
stuff at newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out over
RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu,
power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a
year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard
drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive so which one would be
faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's
what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that you
think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have pointed
out, maybe by that time you'll need a new computer, anyway (with
the new OS preinstalled), since the demands on the computer
hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even
better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have
so many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs
out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from win
98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still
use the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a
full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also I
have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a upgrade
and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
J

JS

At 534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8 what is your
processor speed, as I suspect you are overclocking.

What is your processor model: Intel E????

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
okay I enabled and disabled the speedstep and I get the same readings bus
speed 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. I left it on disabled. Now for the
RAM. I read that article and I first had the voltage at 2.10 but that
article said 2.2 so I changed it. I went from setting it to 800MHZand
timings as 4-4-4-12 and the CPUID read DRAM Freq 400.7 and FSB:DRAM 5:6,
then I went back and set it to the 1066 and back up to 5-5-5-15 and CPUID
read DRAM Freq 534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8. Which is better? I'm assuming
leaving it to were it was at 1066

Debbie

JS said:
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology How To Document:
http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/203838.htm

If you read this article near the bottom of the page are two figures.
Figure #1 shows how "with SpeedStep enabled" you processor's
speed is reduced. This could account for the slow performance.

After you disable SpeedStep check CPU-ID again for reported
processor speed.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
Oh and in my BIOS under Intel Speedstep tech Auto is CPU speed
controlled my operating system amd Disabled is default CPU speed. Mine
is set to enabled, Auto


Debbie


59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on the
memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if
your memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my
average speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the
CPUID and the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That I
don't understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive was
4 normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check the BIOS
next.


Debbie


First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still
don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID
or a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't
imagine it being too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my
stuff at newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out
over RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu,
power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in a
year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of hard
drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive so which one would
be faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's
what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that
you think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have
pointed out, maybe by that time you'll need a new computer,
anyway (with the new OS preinstalled), since the demands on the
computer hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now. Even
better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I have
so many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs
out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from
win 98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still
use the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a
full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also
I have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a
upgrade and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
D

Debbie Graham

No I'm not overclocking, I was told not to by the tech who put in the
processor.

this is the processor
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/cpu.bmp

Debbie

JS said:
At 534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8 what is your
processor speed, as I suspect you are overclocking.

What is your processor model: Intel E????

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
okay I enabled and disabled the speedstep and I get the same readings
bus speed 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. I left it on disabled. Now for
the RAM. I read that article and I first had the voltage at 2.10 but that
article said 2.2 so I changed it. I went from setting it to 800MHZand
timings as 4-4-4-12 and the CPUID read DRAM Freq 400.7 and FSB:DRAM 5:6,
then I went back and set it to the 1066 and back up to 5-5-5-15 and CPUID
read DRAM Freq 534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8. Which is better? I'm
assuming leaving it to were it was at 1066

Debbie

JS said:
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology How To Document:
http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/203838.htm

If you read this article near the bottom of the page are two figures.
Figure #1 shows how "with SpeedStep enabled" you processor's
speed is reduced. This could account for the slow performance.

After you disable SpeedStep check CPU-ID again for reported
processor speed.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Oh and in my BIOS under Intel Speedstep tech Auto is CPU speed
controlled my operating system amd Disabled is default CPU speed. Mine
is set to enabled, Auto


Debbie


59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on
the memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if
your memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my
average speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the
CPUID and the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That
I don't understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive
was 4 normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check the
BIOS next.


Debbie


First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still
don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go RAID
or a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I can't
imagine it being too much more faster than my 7,200. I buy my
stuff at newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out
over RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu,
power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in
a year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of
hard drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive so which one
would be faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP.
That's what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes
that you think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others
have pointed out, maybe by that time you'll need a new
computer, anyway (with the new OS preinstalled), since the
demands on the computer hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now.
Even better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I
have so many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

message
You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date runs
out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from
win 98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I still
use the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing a
full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS. Also
I have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a
upgrade and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
J

JS

E8500 uses a 1333MHz (333MHz quad pumped) FSB with a 9.5x multiplier

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Processor Review
The review includes a screen shot of CPUz/CPU-ID
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/668/1/

I have an E6700 and a Q6600 so I can't do a snapshot
for you.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
No I'm not overclocking, I was told not to by the tech who put in the
processor.

this is the processor
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/cpu.bmp

Debbie

JS said:
At 534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8 what is your
processor speed, as I suspect you are overclocking.

What is your processor model: Intel E????

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
okay I enabled and disabled the speedstep and I get the same readings
bus speed 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. I left it on disabled. Now for
the RAM. I read that article and I first had the voltage at 2.10 but
that article said 2.2 so I changed it. I went from setting it to
800MHZand timings as 4-4-4-12 and the CPUID read DRAM Freq 400.7 and
FSB:DRAM 5:6, then I went back and set it to the 1066 and back up to
5-5-5-15 and CPUID read DRAM Freq 534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8. Which is
better? I'm assuming leaving it to were it was at 1066

Debbie

Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology How To Document:
http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/203838.htm

If you read this article near the bottom of the page are two figures.
Figure #1 shows how "with SpeedStep enabled" you processor's
speed is reduced. This could account for the slow performance.

After you disable SpeedStep check CPU-ID again for reported
processor speed.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Oh and in my BIOS under Intel Speedstep tech Auto is CPU speed
controlled my operating system amd Disabled is default CPU speed.
Mine is set to enabled, Auto


Debbie


59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on
the memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if
your memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my
average speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had the
CPUID and the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. That
I don't understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my drive
was 4 normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check the
BIOS next.


Debbie


First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer
INC. P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs still
don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to go
RAID or a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway but I
can't imagine it being too much more faster than my 7,200. I
buy my stuff at newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out
over RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the cpu,
power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do probably in
a year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive. Speaking of
hard drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive so which one
would be faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0 gbls?

Debbie

I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP. That's
what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever comes that
you think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some others have
pointed out, maybe by that time you'll need a new computer,
anyway (with the new OS preinstalled), since the demands on
the computer hardware for a new OS keep increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now.
Even better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I
have so many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

message
You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date
runs out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

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If you find a posting or message from me
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or disruptive,please ignore it.
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okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from
win 98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I
still use the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing
a full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS.
Also I have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a
upgrade and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 
D

Debbie Graham

how come my core speed and multiplier are lower?

Debbie

JS said:
E8500 uses a 1333MHz (333MHz quad pumped) FSB with a 9.5x multiplier

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Processor Review
The review includes a screen shot of CPUz/CPU-ID
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/668/1/

I have an E6700 and a Q6600 so I can't do a snapshot
for you.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Debbie Graham said:
No I'm not overclocking, I was told not to by the tech who put in the
processor.

this is the processor
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/26/37340/cpu.bmp

Debbie

JS said:
At 534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8 what is your
processor speed, as I suspect you are overclocking.

What is your processor model: Intel E????

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okay I enabled and disabled the speedstep and I get the same readings
bus speed 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9. I left it on disabled. Now for
the RAM. I read that article and I first had the voltage at 2.10 but
that article said 2.2 so I changed it. I went from setting it to
800MHZand timings as 4-4-4-12 and the CPUID read DRAM Freq 400.7 and
FSB:DRAM 5:6, then I went back and set it to the 1066 and back up to
5-5-5-15 and CPUID read DRAM Freq 534.3 and the FSB:DRAM 5:8. Which is
better? I'm assuming leaving it to were it was at 1066

Debbie

Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology How To Document:
http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/203838.htm

If you read this article near the bottom of the page are two figures.
Figure #1 shows how "with SpeedStep enabled" you processor's
speed is reduced. This could account for the slow performance.

After you disable SpeedStep check CPU-ID again for reported
processor speed.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Oh and in my BIOS under Intel Speedstep tech Auto is CPU speed
controlled my operating system amd Disabled is default CPU speed.
Mine is set to enabled, Auto


Debbie


59.9 is good.

334 clock x4 = FSB 1336 (1335.9) = DDR2-667 Memory (PC 5300) minimum
Use CPUID and click on the 'SPD' tab, this will display the info on
the memory
you currently have installed, look at the 'Timings table' to see if
your memory
sticks are rated to run at a 334 clock (frequency) rate.

Drive SMART values look OK.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Okay here's what I got, I downloaded the trial of HD Tune and my
average speed is 59.9, I'm assuming that is good. I already had
the CPUID and the bus speed was around 334.0 and rated FSB 1335.9.
That I don't understand. The Speed fan SMART status showed that my
drive was 4 normals, 1 good and the rest very good. Going to check
the BIOS next.


Debbie


First you have a SATA-II (300) hard drive.
Found mention on one web site about jumper
to drop the drive speed down to the slower SATA-I.
However found no mention of such a jumper on Samsung's
web site, instead it mentions software to control SATA Speed.

There is a utility I use named HD Tune
http://www.hdtune.com/
It checks drive transfer speed and you drive should be about
60MB/Sec or more at the start of the test, all drives
(Speed) fall off noticeably at the last 25%.

A good utility to check the drive's SMART status is
SpeedFan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
Has an option to compare your drive's SMART values
to other drives of the same model.

Mother BIOS settings:
Download the user's manual (if you haven't already done so)
Check you BIOS settings for SATA and CPU speed control
options. Your BIOS could be set to throttle back the CPU
speed.

Use CPUID: http://www.cpuid.com/
Monitor's CPU clock rate in real time



--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


There is no system model because this was built by me.


SAMSUNG SP2504C [Hard drive] (250.06 GB)

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 81.52 GB 63.62 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.02 GB 48.29 GB free
e: (NTFS on drive 0) 54.43 GB 49.43 GB free
f: (NTFS on drive 0) 60.09 GB 50.69 GB free


Main Circuit Board b
3.15 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
6144 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer
INC. P5K-V Rev 1.xx
Serial Number: MS1C76B89M00015
Bus Clock: 333 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 06/18/2008


3328 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM0' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB
Slot 'DIMM3' is Empty
Debbie



What the Make and model of
your existing hard drive?

Don't need to pry the case open to find
hard drive info. Just download, install and
run Belarc Advisor: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html

Provide the Processor, Drives, System Model, Main Circuit Board
and Memory Modules information in your reply.

Using that info I should be able to tell you
what you need to know

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well since I got my new processor and more RAM my programs
still don't open any faster. The tech told me I either have to
go RAID or a faster hard drive. I haven't seen 7,500 anyway
but I can't imagine it being too much more faster than my
7,200. I buy my stuff at newegg.com.

Debbie

15,000 RPM Enterprise level drives improves data access times.
I would expect most 15,000 RPM drives to be SATA-II (3 Gbit/s)
which is the data transfer rate. Data transfer speed wins out
over RPM
in most cases for home computers.

The question is why you are looking at a 15000 RPM
drive as opposed to 7,500 or 10,000?

SATA 6 Gbit/s is the next generation and would expect it to be
the fastest.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com


Well the thing is I build my own pc. I just upgraded the
cpu, power supply, RAM. The next thing I'll need to do
probably in a year or 2 is a new motherboard and hard drive.
Speaking of hard drives, I'm looking for a faster hard drive
so which one would be faster, a SATA 15,000 rpm or a SATA 3.0
gbls?

Debbie

message I don't see the cause for worry. Just stick with XP.
That's what I'm going to do. If and when the time ever
comes that you think you MUST upgrade to a new OS, as some
others have pointed out, maybe by that time you'll need a new
computer, anyway (with the new OS preinstalled), since the
demands on the computer hardware for a new OS keep
increasing.

Debbie Graham wrote:
I was so worried about installing xp that I love it now.
Even better than
my win 98. Maybe by that time another OS will be out. I
have so many
programs installed that the thought of reinstalling them
gives me the shivers
Debbie

message
You can stick with XP well beyond when its support date
runs out.

Debbie Graham wrote:
Oh crap. I hope it does by the time it goes on sale.
Otherwise I'll
just
stick with XP until it's support date runs out.

Debbie

To date XP is not "upgradeable" to W7 but Vista is.
Who knows by the time it actually goes on sale

peter

--
If you find a posting or message from me
offensive,inappropriate
or disruptive,please ignore it.
If you dont know how to ignore a posting complain
to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :)

okay I have XP that I upgraded ,not a full install from
win 98, just
the
upgrade. My question is, when Win7 comes out can I
still use the
upgrade
option or do I need to do a full install? I know doing
a full install
is
better but I can't afford a full version of any OS.
Also I have vista
on
my laptop that came preinstalled, could I just do a
upgrade and not a
full version install on that too?


Debbie
 

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