Win Vista Ultimate extremly slow with 4GB RAM

G

Guest

Yesterday I received my Vista Ultimate.
The installation was horrifying, the speed of the system unbelievable bad.
(boot: 10 minutes, unzipping a 10MB file: 25 minutes, opening a window: up to
10 seconds. the performance index (don't know if thats the right english word
for it) was 1,2)

After many tests und frustrating re-installations of win I figured out, that
the RAM caused this problem. Removing 2GB of the installed 4 made the system
running how it should rund. The Index climbed up to 4,3.

Now my question is: how can I use all my memory? the way it works at the
moment is no real satisfaction.

some info about my system:

- Windows Vista Ultimate, 64Bit
- CPU: Intel Core2Duo 6600 (2,4Ghz)
- RAM: 4GB (4x1) G.E.I.L. PC5300, CL 3-4-4-8
- Mainboard: Asus P5N32 SLI SE Deluxe (nForce4 intel 16x)
- HD: 3x Samsung 400GB, Raid0 (Raid 5 doesn't work at all, terrible speed,
propably the nforce driver)
- Grafics: Asus EN7950GX2 (1GB memory)

I wonder if the problem is all about the beta nvidia nForce driver or if
this problem might be a bug of windows itself.

thanks for your help,
philip
 
C

Chad Harris

Your problem using 4GB RAM instead of 2 was not a problem native to Windows
Vista. I'm not sure what the many tests you deployed were, but here are
some moves you can make to ensure you get maximal speed. I doubt your
choice of video driver is causing a serious speed problem, but nearly all
the graphics *cards (Not Nvidia but the card maker here) have tech support
who knows which driver (if there is a choice and there often is on newer
high end cards with Nvidia chip sets) is working best and which drivers have
performance glitches.

You could try running the memory diagnostic tool on reboot manually:

How do I know if my computer has a memory problem?
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/4edd5f80-def2-4d32-965c-116d49fb98721033.mspx

If the Windows Memory Diagnostics tool does not run automatically, you can
run it manually.

1. Open Memory Diagnostics Tool by clicking the Start button , clicking
Control Panel, clicking System and Maintenance, clicking Administrative
Tools, and then clicking Memory Diagnostics Tool.? If you are prompted for
an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide
confirmation.

2. Choose between the two options for when to run the Memory Diagnostics
Tool:

.. You can restart your computer and run the tool immediately.

.. You can restart your computer and run the tool later.

How do I know if my computer has a memory problem?
Applies to all editions of Windows Vista.
Which edition of Windows Vista am I using?

Usually, Windows automatically detects possible problems with your
computer's
memory and displays a notification that asks if you want to run the Memory
Diagnostics Tool.

Running the Memory Diagnostics Tool
When you receive a notification about a possible memory problem, click the
notification so you can choose between two options for when to run the
Memory Diagnostics Tool:

.. You can restart your computer and run the tool immediately.

.. You can restart your computer and run the tool later.


If you choose to restart your computer and run the tool immediately, make
sure that you save your work and close all of your running programs. The
Memory Diagnostics Tool will run automatically when you restart Windows.
While the Memory Diagnostics Tool runs, you will see a progress bar
indicating the status of the test. Once the test is done, Windows will again
restart automatically.

Top of page
Getting the results of the memory test
If the Memory Diagnostics Tool does not find any errors, you'll get a
message that no errors were found.

If the Memory Diagnostics Tool detects errors, contact your computer or
memory manufacturer for more information.

Top of page
What do I do if the Memory Diagnostics Tool finds errors
If the Memory Diagnostics Tool detects problems with your computer's memory,
contact your computer or memory manufacturer for information about fixing
the problem.

Top of page
Advanced options for running the Memory Diagnostics Tool
We recommend that you let the Memory Diagnostics Tool run automatically.
However, advanced users might want to adjust the tool's settings.


1. When the Memory Diagnostics Tool starts, press F1.

2. You can adjust the following settings:

.. Test mix. Choose what type of test you want to run. These options are
listed when you run the Memory Diagnostics Tool

.. Cache. Choose the cache setting you want for each test.

.. Pass count. Type the number of times you want to repeat the tests.


3. Press F10 to start the test.


I also think given the contrast between that spiffy new box, and your memory
performance that again Superfetch ain't at all accounting for your memory
consumption. Read up on Superfetch here since it was invoked as a component
in this and it isn't:

Superfetch Explanations

Windows Ready Boost and Superfetch (Jim Allchin's blog)
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2006/11/20/windows-readyboost.aspx

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/w...1/03/building-a-more-intelligent-windows.aspx

http://blogs.msdn.com/winperf/

http://blogs.msdn.com/ianm/archive/2006/04/06/569715.aspx

From Jim Allchin who oversaw Vista ultimately:

We redesigned the memory manager in Windows Vista so that if you give the
system more memory, it uses that memory much more efficiently than previous
operating systems via a technique called SuperFetch -- part of Windows
Vista's intelligent heuristic memory management system. And so Windows
Vista on a PC with even more than 1 GB of primary memory (say 2 GB) will
generally outperform Windows XP on that same machine -- especially once you
have been using the machine for some time because Windows Vista learns what
you do the most often and optimizes for this.

One of the key enhancements to the Windows Vista memory management system is
a new feature called SuperFetch. I discussed this briefly in my blog post
about ReadyBoost. SuperFetch watches how you work and then uses the RAM on
your system in a new way that optimizes the system's performance to the way
you work. For example, in contrast to traditional memory management systems
that today use an approach to prioritizing how RAM is allocated to the
various programs and services running on the system, SuperFetch can
differentiate memory being used for interactive (high-priority) tasks from
memory used for background (low-priority) tasks. When the user isn't
interacting with the system, background tasks are allowed to run, but when
they complete, SuperFetch repopulates RAM with the content that supports the
interactive applications. SuperFetch is also smart enough to know which
applications are used most often (over a long period of time) and pre-loads
those applications into memory.

You need to maximize CPU efficiency to get maximum performance out of the
spiffy new box a dual core with 2GB Ram on the floor and here's how--it's
easy to make a P4 box with 1GB RAM and about 2GHx that is years old smoke
with Vista and most games, with a decent video card and I've done it on
several of them using these:

Speed PC and Control CPU Tips/Steps

SPEED AND CPU:

_______________

1) Trim processes you don't need in TM. Google them or "search engine of

your choice them" if you have to.

2) Go to

services.msc in run box and turn off services not needed and there are some.

SERVICE CONFIGURATION REFERENCES*

*Vista Services*

Part One

http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Part Two

http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

Windows Vista Services Tweak Guide v1.0

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=87443


3) Run System File Checker.

SFC: http://www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html

In Vista run it from an elevated command prompt. Right click command on

start and run as administrator.

4) Run 3 or so spyware scans Windows Defender, , Adaware, and Spybot

5) Probably the most important for speed consistently and efficient resource

use DEFRAG with www.raxco.com or www.diskeeeper.com with 15% free space on

drive if DK and or >5% if Raxco's Perfect Disk.

http://groups.msn.com/windowsxpcentral/spyware.msnw

Download Adaware and

Spybot from here.

GOOD Overall Review for Defending Your PC:

http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/

MSFT Defense Site MSFT Security:

http://www.microsoft.com/security/default.mspx

Protect Your PC from MSFT Security:

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.mspx

MSFT Windows Defender

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

MSFT MSRT: (Malicious Software Removal Tool)

http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx



MSFT "Windows One Care" in Wings (AV and Spyware Scans)

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/may05/05-13WindowsOneCarePR.mspx

6) Unck items from msconfig start tab you don't need starting and some

won't start--peoiple who think just uncking for many are naive because there

are 12 places things can be started including several reg keys like Run Once

keys and there are serveral.

7) Turn off Messaging service--it's a security vulnerability and it slows

you

8) Defrag very often every other day actually.

9) Turn off indexing.

10) Clear TIF and %temp% files (delete) and go to safe mode to get as many

as u can.

10) Do troubleshooting with msconfig.

11) Do Clean boot with msconfig utility and search for the directions here:





Vista RTM Tweak Guide (Tweaks to Improve Performances)

http://www.google.com/search?source...,GGLJ:2006-47,GGLJ:en&q=vista+rtm+tweak+guide



1) Task Manager lists the services on the services tab in Vista.

2) Type services.msc in run box and using the list of services, click the

service and you'll get a description of services.

3) There is a list here of the default services and a description>>click

"default settings for services" in the left pane.

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...afb8-43ce-b39d-50e6d5b89bf81033.mspx?mfr=true



4) To view service dependencies

1.

Open Services.

2.

In the details pane, right-click the service that you want to view

dependencies for, and then click Properties.

3.

Click the Dependencies tab.

4.

To view services that are associated dependencies of the selected service,

in the list on the Dependencies tab, click the plus sign next to the

service.

Many of the services but not all in Vista are the same as in XP, so in that

context:

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/services.htm


Also see the extremely helpful site:

Black Viper's Service List

http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP Services.htm


Black Viper's Site (Many of the same services in Vista)

http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP Services.htm


http://www.z123.org/techsupport/xpservices.htm


http://www.geocities.com/ziyadhosein/xpserv1.htm


http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php

This will be helpful

http://web.archive.org/web/20041128084144/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

______________________________________________________________________________________________

How to troubleshoot by using the System Configuration utility in Windows XP

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310560/

Resources for troubleshooting startup problems in Windows XP

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308041/

How to perform advanced clean-boot troubleshooting in Windows XP

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316434

How to perform a clean boot in Windows XP

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353/

How to Disable a Service or Device that Prevents Windows from Starting

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310602/



Also ck out these references:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,5155,00.asp



http://www.speedupyourcomputer.windowsreinstall.com/index.htm

and

http://www.extremetech.com/search_r...=how+to+speed+windows+xp&filterapp=&site=4P.S.



Defragging with a decent defrag every day will make a huge dent inefficient
resource/CPU use.

Perfect Disk has a 5 month full functionality trial on now for Windows
Vista. It can be found at www.raxco.com

Good luck,

CH
 
T

Tom Porterfield

Philip said:
Yesterday I received my Vista Ultimate.
The installation was horrifying, the speed of the system unbelievable bad.
(boot: 10 minutes, unzipping a 10MB file: 25 minutes, opening a window:
up to 10 seconds. the performance index (don't know if thats the right
english word for it) was 1,2)

After many tests und frustrating re-installations of win I figured out,
that the RAM caused this problem. Removing 2GB of the installed 4 made
the system running how it should rund. The Index climbed up to 4,3.

Now my question is: how can I use all my memory? the way it works at the
moment is no real satisfaction.

some info about my system:

- Windows Vista Ultimate, 64Bit
- CPU: Intel Core2Duo 6600 (2,4Ghz)
- RAM: 4GB (4x1) G.E.I.L. PC5300, CL 3-4-4-8
- Mainboard: Asus P5N32 SLI SE Deluxe (nForce4 intel 16x)
- HD: 3x Samsung 400GB, Raid0 (Raid 5 doesn't work at all, terrible speed,
propably the nforce driver)
- Grafics: Asus EN7950GX2 (1GB memory)

I wonder if the problem is all about the beta nvidia nForce driver or if
this problem might be a bug of windows itself.

Sounds like you may have mismatched RAM when al 4 GB is in there. Verify
that all RAM chips are the same specs.
 
J

Jim

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:14:01 -0800, Philip Fuchslocher <Philip
Yesterday I received my Vista Ultimate.
The installation was horrifying, the speed of the system unbelievable bad.
(boot: 10 minutes, unzipping a 10MB file: 25 minutes, opening a window: up to
10 seconds. the performance index (don't know if thats the right english word
for it) was 1,2)

After many tests und frustrating re-installations of win I figured out, that
the RAM caused this problem. Removing 2GB of the installed 4 made the system
running how it should rund. The Index climbed up to 4,3.

Now my question is: how can I use all my memory? the way it works at the
moment is no real satisfaction.

some info about my system:

- Windows Vista Ultimate, 64Bit
- CPU: Intel Core2Duo 6600 (2,4Ghz)
- RAM: 4GB (4x1) G.E.I.L. PC5300, CL 3-4-4-8
- Mainboard: Asus P5N32 SLI SE Deluxe (nForce4 intel 16x)
- HD: 3x Samsung 400GB, Raid0 (Raid 5 doesn't work at all, terrible speed,
propably the nforce driver)
- Grafics: Asus EN7950GX2 (1GB memory)

I wonder if the problem is all about the beta nvidia nForce driver or if
this problem might be a bug of windows itself.

thanks for your help,
philip

Similar spec to me:
- Windows Vista Ultimate, 64Bit
- CPU: Intel Core2Duo 6700 (2,4Ghz)
- RAM: 4GB (4x1) Corsai. PC6400,
- Mainboard: Asus P5-WDG2 WS Pro
- Grafics: Asus EN7900GTX (512MB memory)

My system is a flying machine (boot up in 30 seconds once the BIOS has
finished faffing about), so there's definitely
as issue with your system. I'm using DDR II RAM, but that shouldn't
make such a huge difference.


Jim
 
G

Guest

the ram is working fine. before i installed vista, i ran xp with the 4GB
without any problems (of course, not all the 4GB were recognized by the 32bit
system...).

every module is ecactly like the other. same brand, speed, ... so there is
no mix-up of different modules that couldcause the problems.

the grafics-card is installed properly with the asus beta driver, the index
for grafics ist 5,9 (aero) or 5,7 (games). i really don't think that this is
any reason why the system becomes slow when inserting 4GB of ram. if yes, it
should be slow with 2gb ram,too, shouldn't ist?
 
M

MICHAEL

I believe Colin Barnhorst had a similar problem with
the 64bit version of Vista. I believe it was a motherboard
problem. Perhaps, he will elaborate.

-Michael
 
M

MICHAEL

Thoughts?

MICHAEL said:
I believe Colin Barnhorst had a similar problem with
the 64bit version of Vista. I believe it was a motherboard
problem. Perhaps, he will elaborate.

-Michael
 
G

Guest

Thanks, I will take a look for his postings.

I just made the memory test, without any negativ results. all ram is working
fine.

philip
 
M

Michael Price

I believe I read something earlier about this being related to the nVidia
chipset. See if there are updated drivers from the Asus site.
 
M

MICHAEL

You might be right

Here's an update released yesterday.
I wonder if it might help.

Scroll down to "More Information".

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925528
Release Date: January 30, 2007

This update also addresses two issues in which you may receive a Stop error message that
resembles one of the following.

Error message 1:
STOP 127 PAGE_NOT_ZERO_NVIDIA_USB
This error occurs on a Windows Vista-based computer that uses 2 gigabytes (GB) or more of RAM
and an nVidia nForce EHCI controller.
 
G

Guest

As the fix didn't help, my searches around the web were without any result,
asus doesn't know anything about when there will be a vista compatible driver
for the chipset (just as nvidia) there is propably no other possibility than
working with only 2GB RAM and be patient until one the two corporations
releases some really working drivers.

Thanks for all your answers,
Philip
 
R

Rainmanjam

Yesterday I received myVistaUltimate.
The installation was horrifying, the speed of the system unbelievable bad.
(boot: 10 minutes, unzipping a 10MB file: 25 minutes, opening a window: up to
10 seconds. the performance index (don't know if thats the right english word
for it) was 1,2)

After many tests und frustrating re-installations of win I figured out, that
the RAM caused this problem. Removing 2GB of the installed 4 made the system
running how it should rund. The Index climbed up to 4,3.

Now my question is: how can I use all my memory? the way it works at the
moment is no real satisfaction.

some info about my system:

- WindowsVistaUltimate, 64Bit
- CPU: Intel Core2Duo 6600 (2,4Ghz)
- RAM: 4GB (4x1) G.E.I.L. PC5300, CL 3-4-4-8
- Mainboard: Asus P5N32 SLI SE Deluxe (nForce4intel 16x)
- HD: 3x Samsung 400GB, Raid0 (Raid 5 doesn't work at all, terrible speed,
propably the nforce driver)
- Grafics: Asus EN7950GX2 (1GB memory)

I wonder if the problem is all about the beta nvidia nForce driver or if
this problem might be a bug of windows itself.

thanks for your help,
philip

I am glad that I am not alone. I am having the same issue:

CPU: Intel PEntium D 930 3.0 Ghz
Ram: 4GB Kingston (All are the same)
Motherboard: Asus P5N32 SLI Deluxe
HD: 1x200Gig - 2x400Gig in RAID 0
Grafix: 2x EVGA 7900GT in SLI on XP.

Take out the ram to get down to 2GB.. Works like a dream.
 
G

Guest

I have a different Memory question, though somewhat related. Machine specs:

Motherboard: Asus P5AD2-E Premium
Processor: Intel Pentium 4 670
Memory: 4 x 1GB 533MHz DDR2 (PQI Turbo - brand)

My machine is said to support up to 4GB. It only recognizes 3.2GB. I did
the upgrade when running Vista RC1 (32-bit) so I thought that was the
problem. Now I'm running Vista Ultimate 64-bit and nothing changed. I'm
frustrated because I'm losing almost a GB of RAM...waste of money. Asus
tried to tell me I might have bad or incompatible memory, which PQI denies.
PQI at least is listening. I just got done trying each stick individually
and they each registered the 1024MB they're supposed to. The whole point of
me even running the 64-bit version of Windows was to take advantage of all
the memory. Any ideas on what else to try? I'm going to see if I can get a
hold of Asus again, but that's like pulling teeth.
 
B

BSchnur

Your situation is different -- you are not losing the memory, but your
motherboard BIOS allocates the remaining memory for PCI I/O memory
addressing and other system resources.

Depending on the specific BIOS, that happens at 3G, 3.25G or 3.5G.
With some motherboards there are some advanced switches one can use to
reduce this redirection.
 
R

Richard Urban

Does your 4 gig of RAM show up during the boot process as being available?
It should appear during the memory test portion of the boot process.

If you have a fancy manufacturers screen showing at boot, go into the bios
and enable the diagnostic boot screen. Then you will be able to see if it is
properly detected. If it is not, you have either a M/B or a RAM problem.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
G

Guest

It doesn't show on the boot screen. I definitely think it is a mapping
issue. I have a PCI-express (Nvidia 7600 GS) video card with 512MB. When I
look at it's properties in Windows it shows the 512MB, but also shows another
251 MB of "shared" memory for a total of 763MB. Is there any way to turn
this off? At least I'd be able to get up to around 3.5GB...haha. The only
other card I have installed is a Soundblaster Audigy 2. I've looked
throughout my BIOS for a remapping feature that Asus said to look for with no
luck. I also have Tweak VI for Windows and when I look under there it shows
all four DIMM slots being loaded with 1024MB modules. I'll keep trying Asus,
but it shouldn't be this difficult. I was told that 64-bit Windows would
address the issue automatically and re-map the memory to allow for the full
4GB.
 

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