Why is Windows Vista such a P.O.S.

[Chuck]

I have no doubt that some developers are unhappy with Vista, just as they
have been unhappy with virtually every windows release for one reason or
another.
Part of the problem has been incomplete, inaccurate, and dated development
documentation from MS.
A classic type of problem is not documenting command or "call" parms and
return data properly and completely.

 

[Steve R]

Ok..another Steve heard from. I found my way here because my new laptop is
constantly crashing. You name it, explorer...sidebar, every time I try to
load a photo. Etc....I was searching for a patch or update since it is new
out of the box, but all I see is a lot of unhappy people. I'll take
suggestions now.
Thanx

 

[Richard Urban]

If you want help you should make a new post and not hijack someone else's.
After a few days it is unlikely that many will return to this thread. You
will go unnoticed.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Ok..another Steve heard from. I found my way here because my new laptop is
constantly crashing. You name it, explorer...sidebar, every time I try to
load a photo. Etc....I was searching for a patch or update since it is new
out of the box, but all I see is a lot of unhappy people. I'll take
suggestions now.

Well, you've a new laptop with problems. Let's see now, what would you
do if you bought a new car and it wouldn't run properly? What would you
do with a new TV that only received local broadcast stations? Would you
even have to ask? Wouldn't you take it back to where you got it and
demand a working product? Why would you think it'd be any different
with a computer?


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[John Barnett MVP]

I've run Vista since early beta and maybe I've been lucky but I haven't had
a single crash. I admit that I always said Vista was released too early -
now that has been acknowledged. It certainly isn't, as you put it, ' a
worthless piece of software', far from it. It has had its problems and those
are being dealt with as SP1 was released and also SP2 when that is released.

I also have to say that having used Windows 7 (pre-beta) on a daily basis
this to hasn't even crashed for me and, let's be honest, one expects
pre-beta and beta software to do just that - crash.

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[Dave T.]

I've run Vista since early beta and maybe I've been lucky but I haven't
had a single crash. I admit that I always said Vista was released too
early - now that has been acknowledged. It certainly isn't, as you put
it, ' a worthless piece of software', far from it. It has had its
problems and those are being dealt with as SP1 was released and also SP2
when that is released.

I also have to say that having used Windows 7 (pre-beta) on a daily
basis this to hasn't even crashed for me and, let's be honest, one
expects pre-beta and beta software to do just that - crash.

I'm with you John. I've been computing since Win 3.11 and Vista home
premium is the most solid I have ever used. I quit XP because of the
crashes. With Vista, 21 months and not a single crash. I remember maybe
3 times I experienced a non-responsive program that had to be closed and
re-opened. I think the problem lies with the individual computer makers
since there are certain manufacturers names that you don't hear much on
these forums. HP is one. Toshiba is read almost every day.

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[Steve Thackery]

I found my way here because my new laptop is

constantly crashing. You name it, explorer...sidebar, every time I try to
load a photo.

Don't take any suggestions but this: TAKE IT BACK! Get it mended, or your
money back.

It isn't Vista that's a P.O.S., it's the manufacturer of your laptop.

SteveT

 

[Terry]

THAT IS the ONLY response that matters

Don't take any suggestions but this: TAKE IT BACK! Get it mended, or
your
money back.

It isn't Vista that's a P.O.S., it's the manufacturer of your laptop.

SteveT

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> DonQ

My Toshiba is fine with only cleaning out the pre-installed crap.

Some are, some aren't -- Some of the pre-installed crap doesn't clean
nicely, especially with regards to some of their earlier attempts to
install drivers.

Flattening and starting over takes so much less time then manually
removing what you don't want and then upgrading drivers that I've never
spent much time trying to clean.

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> DonQ

Flattening and starting over is only possible when one has an
installation disc that isn't a recovery disc. That's a situation that
is becoming more and more rare.

I found one in the box of my last couple Toshiba notebooks (without
making special arrangements to have it included, both were purchased
retail)

 

[f/fgeorge]

Flattening and starting over is only possible when one has an
installation disc that isn't a recovery disc. That's a situation that
is becoming more and more rare.

Don

Try http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/ and see if that helps. Leo LaPorte,
has TONS of podcasts and is a geek that uses down to Earth words,
recommends it.

 

[GrahamH]

I'm with you John. I've been computing since Win 3.11 and Vista home
premium is the most solid I have ever used. I quit XP because of the
crashes. With Vista, 21 months and not a single crash. I remember maybe 3
times I experienced a non-responsive program that had to be closed and
re-opened. I think the problem lies with the individual computer makers
since there are certain manufacturers names that you don't hear much on
these forums. HP is one. Toshiba is read almost every day.

Im going to add a few pennies worth as well.
I`ve used microsoft from Dos days and i remember it was quite a strain
moving from Dos to windows, i liked typing those special config.sys and bat
files to make the most of the 640kb of base memory!!!!!!
Seriously though, having migrated to Vista from XP i was at first a bit
annoyed by the UAC pop ups and general problems installing some software,
but i think a lot of the problems were down to companies not getting out
compatible software and drivers (or Microsoft were too early despatching
Vista.) and so things did`nt install with ease as they did before. I did
notice an improvement with SP1 and i think its likely to get even better
with SP2.
I thinks it looks nice with the Aero enabled and stability has been fine, i
did have a blue screen on my other pc but that was down to hardware issues.
Windows 7 is next and how is that going to be an improvement over Vista i
wonder.
Maybe John you could answer that as your using a beta version.

Regards.
Graham......

 

[John Barnett MVP]

On Windows 7, Graham, I am restricted to what I can and cannot say. As an
MVP I have to sign a non disclosure agreement with Microsoft, after all beta
testers and MVPs are seeing and using something that isn't yet available to
the public and, unfortunately, what features are available in Windows 7 can
soon change as Microsoft near RTM (release to manufacturer)

All I can say from using the pre-beta software is that at first my initial
response when I installed Windows 7 was 'sorry not impressed', then when I
started looking around Windows 7 it kind of 'grew' on me and the more I
'peeked' at it the better it looked. It certainly installs faster and
startup is faster too. It has some new features and and some older ones have
had a make over and, of course, it has a better interface, but as for any
other 'insight' into Windows 7 you'll have to wait and see - well at least
until we can officially give more details, anyway.

The same, sadly goes for SP2. I've only come across a couple of minor
problems and the test machine is in use every single day.


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[John Barnett MVP]

You hit the nail on the head, Dave, when you said "I think the problem lies
with the individual computer makers." While Microsoft have accepted the
blame for the fiasco of Vista, many hardware/software manufacturers sat on
the fence hoping that the drivers they already had would suffice for Vista.
As everyone found out, they didn't and, as the launch of Vista got nearer,
manufacturers/developers couldn't get the drivers out quick enough to
support their hardware/software. While Microsoft got the major blame, they
were not responsible for drivers supplied by third party vendors. It was
just a pity that Microsoft also happened to be just as complacent when it
come to some of their own hardware drivers not working with Vista, but
that's an embarrassment that I am sure they will get over

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[Dave T.]

I've run Vista since early beta and maybe I've been lucky but I haven't
had a single crash. I admit that I always said Vista was released too
early - now that has been acknowledged. It certainly isn't, as you put
it, ' a worthless piece of software', far from it. It has had its
problems and those are being dealt with as SP1 was released and also SP2
when that is released.

What can you tell us about Vista SP2? Has it been announced that it is
in the works? I see at least 2 mentions of it.


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You can't imagine the extra work I had when I was a god. - Hirohito,
Emporer of Japan

 

[John Barnett MVP]

Unfortunately, Dave, once again, not a lot. I'm testing it at the moment and
so far no problems. It is currently in beta with an 'estimated' time for
deployment of sometime in 2009 - but that could change.

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[GrahamH]

"John Barnett MVP"

On Windows 7, Graham, I am restricted to what I can and cannot say. As an
MVP I have to sign a non disclosure agreement with Microsoft, after all
beta testers and MVPs are seeing and using something that isn't yet
available to the public and, unfortunately, what features are available in
Windows 7 can soon change as Microsoft near RTM (release to manufacturer)

All I can say from using the pre-beta software is that at first my initial
response when I installed Windows 7 was 'sorry not impressed', then when I
started looking around Windows 7 it kind of 'grew' on me and the more I
'peeked' at it the better it looked. It certainly installs faster and
startup is faster too. It has some new features and and some older ones
have had a make over and, of course, it has a better interface, but as for
any other 'insight' into Windows 7 you'll have to wait and see - well at
least until we can officially give more details, anyway.

The same, sadly goes for SP2. I've only come across a couple of minor
problems and the test machine is in use every single day.

are certain manufacturers names that you don't hear much on
Fair enough i`m not in that much of a hurry for Windows7 so will look with
interest as things progress.
I think whenever you try a new O/S it can take time to get used to it and
first impressions are not always good, but the more you persevere, then like
you say it can grow on you. New features and improvements are not always
noticeable straight away and show over time.
Regards,
Graham...
.................

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> DonQ

Mine did as well, but we're the luckier ones.

Maybe, but among my friends, family and coworkers every one that has a
Toshiba came with original media too, although it's not always clearly
labeled.

Mine was labeled as an "anytime upgrade DVD", despite the fact that the
recovery media installs Ultimate, so no anytime upgrade functionality is
actually needed, and the only key supplied is an Ultimate OEM key that
will not function in upgrade mode.

At this point I am assuming that most Toshiba laptops include this DVD,
although obviously not all users know what it is.

 

[Black Baptist]

I have been a developer since early 80's. I've been disappointed, and
re-disappointed year after year at the lower and lower quality of crap that
Microsoft pushes on us. But Vista absolutely takes the cake. I've been
running it for a year, and still get frustrated every single day about what a
total worthless pile of crap this is. Why can't Microsoft stop spening money
trying to convince people this piece of trash is good, and spend some money
trying to do R&D and fix this. I'm sick and tired of constant crashes,
lockups, and hanging. This is the most worthless piece of software Microsoft
has ever developed.

So you'll like Windows 7 better.

 

[Gordon]

So you'll like Windows 7 better.

Why are you replying to a thread that's over TWO months old?