Why is there a limit of two XP activations

[Guest]

Yes, Im one of those people that like to format my
harddrive often, without backing up files( not a big
deal ), and reinsall everything. But when I bought the
$200 XP operating system, I did not know of the limit of
activations. And to add, I've got two computers, both in
the same house.Why should i have to buy another $200
license, and I know its probably in the agreement that
each computer you have to buy another license, but i
think it is silly, not everyone is millionares you know.

 

[Chris Lanier]

Hi, There is a limit of ONE activation. The Windows ELUA allow you to
install Windows in ONE PC per House/School/Business (Whatever?) You may
install it on the same PC as many times as you wish. This is nothing new
and has been this way since Windows 3.1. Goto Start>>Run>>Type "winver" and
click on ELUA to read the document that you agreed to before installing. If
you wish to install on more than one PC you will need to buy a second,
third, forth, etc. license or copy of Windows. Doesn't matter how much
money you have or don't have. If you would like a good comparison please
wait for Bruce Chambers to add his post.

Additional Licenses for Windows XP Home Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/addlic.asp

Additional Licenses for Windows XP Pro Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.asp

 

[Yves Leclerc]

There really is not a limit to number of activations of the ONE PC. It is
because of the activation keeps track of the hardware.

BTW: Not one of the versions of Windows did it ever state that you can
install the software on any number of PCs, given they are in the same
office. The license states clearly ONE License ONE PC.

 

[Guest]

Just installit, if it's been over 120 days it will
activate online, if not it'a automated phone call.

http://microscum.com

 

[kurttrail]

"By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
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ever and ever! Amen!"

There really is not a limit to number of activations of the ONE PC.
It is because of the activation keeps track of the hardware.

BTW: Not one of the versions of Windows did it ever state that you
can install the software on any number of PCs, given they are in the
same office. The license states clearly ONE License ONE PC.

BTW: That would be total BS! Windows One Computer post-sale license
term started with Windows 3.1. And MS has yet to prove whether that
term is legally enforceable on anonymous private individuals.

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=83926

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[kurttrail]

"By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
replying to this post, you agree that I am your everlasting Lord &
Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"

Yes, Im one of those people that like to format my
harddrive often, without backing up files( not a big
deal ), and reinsall everything. But when I bought the
$200 XP operating system, I did not know of the limit of
activations. And to add, I've got two computers, both in
the same house.Why should i have to buy another $200
license, and I know its probably in the agreement that
each computer you have to buy another license, but i
think it is silly, not everyone is millionares you know.

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

It all depends on who do you think has the right to be the Judge in your
home.

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[Ken Blake]

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Yes, Im one of those people that like to format my
harddrive often, without backing up files( not a big
deal ), and reinsall everything.

A waste of time and effort, as far as I'm concerned, but each to
his own.

But when I bought the
$200 XP operating system, I did not know of the limit of
activations.

There is no limit of activations. You can do it as often as you
want to.

And to add, I've got two computers, both in
the same house.Why should i have to buy another $200
license, and I know its probably in the agreement that
each computer you have to buy another license, but i
think it is silly, not everyone is millionares you know.

I have two cars, both in the same garage. Why should i have to
buy another
license plate for the second one? I think it is silly. Not
everyone is a millionare, you know.

It's been in the license agreement for every version of Windows
since 3.1 The only thing new is that there's now an enforcement
mechanism.

There seem to be a lot of people who think a rule is OK if they
can easily get away with breaking it, but it's not OK for
Microsoft to enforce the rule.

 

[Frank]

: Hi, There is a limit of ONE activation. The Windows ELUA allow you to
: install Windows in ONE PC per House/School/Business (Whatever?) You may
: install it on the same PC as many times as you wish. This is nothing new
: and has been this way since Windows 3.1. Goto Start>>Run>>Type "winver"
and
: click on ELUA to read the document that you agreed to before installing.
If
: you wish to install on more than one PC you will need to buy a second,
: third, forth, etc. license or copy of Windows. Doesn't matter how much
: money you have or don't have. If you would like a good comparison please
: wait for Bruce Chambers to add his post.

I always get a hoot out of these threads. As always I get to wondering.
If I installed XP 3 weeks ago and had a power outage and really scrambled
some files, and then ran a DFT and found that because of the numerous
cross linked files the test said it could try to repair the files but it
would
be better to write zeros to the disk. With no hardware changes, just
reinstalling XP, all the apps and the personal data. Would XP reactivate
over the net???????

 

[kurttrail]

"By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
replying to this post, you agree that I am your everlasting Lord &
Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"

I always get a hoot out of these threads. As always I get to
wondering. If I installed XP 3 weeks ago and had a power outage and
really scrambled some files, and then ran a DFT and found that
because of the numerous cross linked files the test said it could try
to repair the files but it would
be better to write zeros to the disk. With no hardware changes, just
reinstalling XP, all the apps and the personal data. Would XP
reactivate over the net???????

Probably yes. I qualify this with "probably," because there have been
many reports that PA has worked for people the way that it's supposed
to.

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[Chris Lanier]

Hi there, You may install Windows on the same PC as many times as you wish!
You can install it everyday for the 50 years if for some reason you wanted
to. The only thing that "might" happen is that the activation wizard might
fail and say that you have installed it too many times. If this happens
just select activate by phone, call Microsoft and tell them what happened.

You will see many posts that lead to Kurt's site. Kurt has some problems
with Microsoft's way of doing business. He has some good points, but has a
horrible way of expressing them. It has been known that every 120 days
Microsoft "rolls-over" the last time you activated, meaning you "could"
install it on another PC.

I nor most people here recommend that you try and install Windows XP on more
than one machine. According to the EULA that you agree to before you
install it says that you may install it on "1" PC and only "1" PC.

Having said this I have never heard of Microsoft taking anyone to court of
this matter. WPA (Windows Product Activation) which was introduced in
Windows XP limits the amount of times that you can install it w/o trying to
circumvent the WPA. Circumventing the WPA would "most likely" be a
violation of "some type" of law (DMCA ?Maybe?). But until Microsoft decides
that the problem is too big and they want to take it too court we will
really never know. More piracy=higher prices (In the long run)

Bottom-line: Why not just do the right thing and purchase the software if
you wish to use it on more than one PC? (I your case to install on one PC
you are fine) Who cares how much money Bill Gates has. Bill Gates is one
incredibly smart business man. And for anyone who has ever worked any type
of job or who owns a business knows that you don't make money by giving your
product away.


DMCA Link (PDF)
http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

 

[kurttrail]

"By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
replying to this post, you agree that I am your everlasting Lord &
Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"

Hi there, You may install Windows on the same PC as many times as you
wish! You can install it everyday for the 50 years if for some reason
you wanted to. The only thing that "might" happen is that the
activation wizard might fail and say that you have installed it too
many times. If this happens just select activate by phone, call
Microsoft and tell them what happened.

You will see many posts that lead to Kurt's site. Kurt has some
problems with Microsoft's way of doing business. He has some good
points, but has a horrible way of expressing them.

ROFL! Yes, I do tend to rub people the wrong way. Just the Jersey-boy
in me!

It has been known
that every 120 days Microsoft "rolls-over" the last time you
activated, meaning you "could" install it on another PC.

I nor most people here recommend that you try and install Windows XP
on more than one machine. According to the EULA that you agree to
before you install it says that you may install it on "1" PC and only
"1" PC.

Having said this I have never heard of Microsoft taking anyone to
court of this matter. WPA (Windows Product Activation) which was
introduced in Windows XP limits the amount of times that you can
install it w/o trying to circumvent the WPA. Circumventing the WPA
would "most likely" be a violation of "some type" of law (DMCA
?Maybe?). But until Microsoft decides that the problem is too big
and they want to take it too court we will really never know. More
piracy=higher prices (In the long run)

"Over time, reduced piracy means that the software industry can invest
more in product development, quality and support. This ensures better
products and more innovation for customers. Ultimately, customers will
benefit from the economic impact of reduced piracy through increased job
opportunities and higher wages." -
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

MS never promises that customers will ever benefit from reduced piracy
with lower prices. But PA really isn't about stopping piracy, casual
sharing with friends, or anything else except enforcing the EULA on the
paying customer, without having to prove that those terms are actually
legally enforceable in front of a real court.

Bottom-line: Why not just do the right thing and purchase the
software if you wish to use it on more than one PC? (I your case to
install on one PC you are fine) Who cares how much money Bill Gates
has. Bill Gates is one incredibly smart business man. And for
anyone who has ever worked any type of job or who owns a business
knows that you don't make money by giving your product away.

Could care less about Bill's personal wealth, it's that $52 billion cash
horde that's in the hands of a convicted predatory monopoly, the
soul-less corporate entity know as Microsoft, that has other industries
and educated consumers rightfully worried.

A leopard finds it very hard to change it's spots, and MS is known for
it's total intransigence. [And I spelled it right without spell-check,
much to my own amazement!]

http://www.microscum.com/misc/intransigence/intransigence.htm

Speaking of the IE Address Bar Spoof, MS is only thinking about patching
it up.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-12-11-microsoft2_x.htm

Why?

"Microsoft spokesman Sean Sundwall says the company hasn't noticed any
'notable customer impact.'"

MS is waiting for people get screwed by the spoof first, before patching
it up! I guess MS is really taking their "Trustworthy Computing"
marketing scheme seriously! LOL!

DMCA Link (PDF)
http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

"Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or
defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this
title." - DMCA

And to see my interpretation of a specific limitation on the rights of
Computer Program Copyright Owners:

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

LOL! Well, you did bring it up, Chris! ;-)

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[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

There's no limit to the number of times you can reinstall and
activate the same WinXP license on the same PC. If it's been more
than 120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key,
you'll most likely be able to activate via the Internet without
problem. If it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone
call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm

Installation on two computers would require that you own two
licenses. If you can afford 2 PCs, you can afford 2 OS licenses. If
you cannot afford 2 OS licenses, than you cannot afford 2 PCs.

As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,
it's necessary (to be in compliance with the EULA, if not technically)
to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which it is
installed. The only way in which WinXP licensing differs from that of
earlier versions of Windows is that Microsoft has finally added a copy
protection and anti-theft mechanism, Product Activation, to prevent
(or at least make more difficult) multiple installations using a
single license.


Bruce Chambers

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[kurttrail]

"By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
replying to this post, you agree that I am your everlasting Lord &
Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"

<Hypocrite Alert!>

As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,
it's necessary (to be in compliance with the EULA, if not technically)
to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which it is
installed. - http://tinyurl.com/hhjj

"And from what accredited American and Canadian universities did you
obtain your law degrees? What specific case law and court decisions can
you cite to support your interpretation of the relevant laws? Until you
can offer such credentials and documentation, your opinions carry no
more weight than anyone else's." - Bruce to Ian Merrithew, in the
thread,
"Product Re-Activation."

So don't you think that Bruce is a hypocrite for asking someone else,
"What specific case law and court decisions can you cite to support your
interpretation of the relevant laws," when Bruce can't even come up with
the specific "relevant laws" that backs up his own opinion, let alone
come up with "specific case law and court decisions" on top of that?

</Hypocrite Alert!>

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[kurttrail]

"By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
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Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"

In (e-mail address removed)



A waste of time and effort, as far as I'm concerned, but each to
his own.




There is no limit of activations. You can do it as often as you
want to.

Then why does MS have the PA message, ""According
to our records, the number of times you can activate Windows with this
product key has been exceeded," when there is supposed to be no limit to
the number of times you can activate Windows XP," if there are no
limits.

The only logical explanation is that way people might be suckered into
buying a copy of Windows that they don't need.

I have two cars, both in the same garage. Why should i have to
buy another
license plate for the second one? I think it is silly. Not
everyone is a millionare, you know.

The gov't has the sovereign right to require license plates on every car
that driven on public roads. [If you own enough property to build your
own roads, then you can drive you car without a license plate on your
own private roads.]

However, MS does NOT have any sovereignty over any individual to mandate
their post-sale "licensing" without due process. In other words, they
have to prove it in a court of law, and by never trying to legally
enforce their One Computer BS on private individuals in a real court of
law for over a decade MS has given the tacit approval for the breaking
of that term.

It's been in the license agreement for every version of Windows
since 3.1 The only thing new is that there's now an enforcement
mechanism.

Only an uninformed consumer can fall prey to the machinations of MS's
"Sucker-Born-Every-Minute" PA scam.

There seem to be a lot of people who think a rule is OK if they
can easily get away with breaking it, but it's not OK for
Microsoft to enforce the rule.

When MS gets the balls to legally enforce those post-sale shrinkwrap
license rules on private individuals, who have every right to remain
totally anonymous to MS, by getting a judge to rule in MS's favor by the
preponderance of the evidence, then give me a call! Until then, it's
just unproven FUD!

No corporation, that offers up their products for retail sale, has any
right to know who has bought those products for some third-party retail
store. And I really don't see any judge ruling in the favor of giving
some convicted predatory monopolist that right any time in my lifetime.

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