Why Firefox?

C

Conor

You should see it. The two Secunia lists for Fx 0.9.x and Moz 1.7.x
contain exactly one unpatched vulnerability, which has to do with
Apple's implementation of Java for OSX. Mozilla.org can't fix this;
it's up to Apple. Secunia has marked it "less critical".
Secunia Advisory: SA12526
Release Date: 2004-09-14
Last Update: 2004-09-18

Impact: Cross Site Scripting
Manipulation of data
Exposure of sensitive information
=================================
System access
=============
Where: From remote
Solution Status: Vendor Patch

Software: Mozilla 0.x
Mozilla 1.0
Mozilla 1.1
Mozilla 1.2
Mozilla 1.3
Mozilla 1.4
Mozilla 1.5
Mozilla 1.6
Mozilla 1.7.x
Mozilla Firefox 0.x
Mozilla Thunderbird 0.x

Out of the TEN listed, most allow arbritary code to be run thus
allowing someone to install whatever the hell they wish.

Like I said in my other post, how many times have you seen people
saying they're reverting back to FF 0.9.3 because 1.0PR broke things?
 
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Secunia Advisory: SA12526
Release Date: 2004-09-14
Last Update: 2004-09-18

Impact: Cross Site Scripting
Manipulation of data
Exposure of sensitive information
=================================
System access
=============
Where: From remote
Solution Status: Vendor Patch

Yes, Vendor Patch.
Software: Mozilla 0.x
Mozilla 1.0
Mozilla 1.1
Mozilla 1.2
Mozilla 1.3
Mozilla 1.4
Mozilla 1.5
Mozilla 1.6
Mozilla 1.7.x
Mozilla Firefox 0.x
Mozilla Thunderbird 0.x

Out of the TEN listed, most allow arbritary code to be run thus
allowing someone to install whatever the hell they wish.

I don't see the relevance, since we were talking about vulnerabilities
which go unfixed; what's the point of bringing up ones that have
already been fixed?
 
A

Aaron

I don't disagree, but why start climbing by jumping into the
abyss that is IE?

The reasoning as far as I can see is, because all browsers are not perfect,
we might as well use the most buggy browser we can find. :)
 
C

Conor

Yes, Vendor Patch.


I don't see the relevance, since we were talking about vulnerabilities
which go unfixed; what's the point of bringing up ones that have
already been fixed?
Becasuse my blinkered friend, alot of people haven't upgraded to 1.0PR.
Alot have but found it broke things so reverted back to 0.9x.

The argument that you butted into was that IE was full of holes and
Firefox/Moz was this great saviour that was invulnerable.
 
M

me

Becasuse my blinkered friend, alot of people haven't
upgraded to 1.0PR. Alot have but found it broke things so
reverted back to 0.9x.

The argument that you butted into was that IE was full of
holes and Firefox/Moz was this great saviour that was
invulnerable.

Hm, shouldn't one then compare FX (at al) to un-upgraded IE ?

J
 
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Becasuse my blinkered friend, alot of people haven't upgraded to
1.0PR. Alot have but found it broke things so reverted back to
0.9x.

This doesn't help with your erroneous claim that Moz and Firefox
vulnerabilities go unfixed. Bugfixes people aren't choosing to
use != unfixed bugs.
The argument that you butted into was that IE was full of holes
and Firefox/Moz was this great saviour that was invulnerable.

I've read the thread. No one made any such claim about Moz and
Firefox, but feel free to keep fighting your straw men.
 
C

Conor

Hm, shouldn't one then compare FX (at al) to un-upgraded IE ?
Only patches available for IE after SP2 for WinXP was released as WinXP
SP2 is the version currently available to buy.
 
C

Chris Lee

Really? You should see the list for Moz/Firefox on Secunia.

Secunia like most of those "security" outfits is basically a joke.

They only know Microsoft. They know little or nothing about about
Linux or software like Firebird that would actually require them
to do some actual work.
 
C

Chris Lee

Some of those things on that small list allow someone to run
executable
code on your computer or open it up so all files can be seen. So
whilst
the list is short, some of the entries ARE VERY CRITICAL indeed.

And of course the whole world has upgraded to 1.0PR/1.7.3 haven't
they?

How many posts in forums/newsgroups have you seen where people have
reverted to FF 0.9.3 because 1.0PR broke things?

You mean some useless,er silly 3rd party add-ons got broken. That's
not the Firebird developers problem.


GET A CLUE.
 
C

Chris Lee

Secunia Advisory: SA12526
Release Date: 2004-09-14
Last Update: 2004-09-18

Impact: Cross Site Scripting
Manipulation of data
Exposure of sensitive information
=================================
System access
=============
Where: From remote
Solution Status: Vendor Patch

Software: Mozilla 0.x
Mozilla 1.0
Mozilla 1.1
Mozilla 1.2
Mozilla 1.3
Mozilla 1.4
Mozilla 1.5
Mozilla 1.6
Mozilla 1.7.x
Mozilla Firefox 0.x
Mozilla Thunderbird 0.x

Out of the TEN listed, most allow arbritary code to be run thus
allowing someone to install whatever the hell they wish.

Like I said in my other post, how many times have you seen people
saying they're reverting back to FF 0.9.3 because 1.0PR broke
things?

The way this is rigged,they and you can claim something is broken
without doing any actual research on the subject.


Try again turkey.
 
C

Conor

Secunia like most of those "security" outfits is basically a joke.

They only know Microsoft. They know little or nothing about about
Linux or software like Firebird that would actually require them
to do some actual work.
But with Microsoft OSes dominating the desktop market, its slightly
relevent is it not?
 
P

Penang

After reading through the posts, it seems that a lot of people in this
newsgroup are using Firefox as their primary browser. I've been thinking
about trying it out, but I've got IE 6 and it's doing well. Many of my
freeware programs are integrated with it, and I've got everything working
like I want it.

The above is true, and true.

What you are feeling now, is almost like what I was feeling 3 weeks
ago.

I was totally contented with IE6. Everything render perfectly.

You want toolbar, yahoo, google, and all the rest got their own
version of toolbar for IE.

You want plugins, you got it.

Heck, you even can get "updates" by going to
www.windowsupdate.com

See, I am not disputing your claim, because I _did_ feel like you do
now.
What would be the advantage of switching to Firefox? Is it more of a security
question than anything else?


For me, just TWO advantages.

A. On my 1.5 GB RAM system, running XP, using IE6, I can surf the
web for
almost 45 minutes before I notice sluggishness.

On window-count, I can simultaneously launch 23 IE6 windows,
before my
system went into a crawl.

And if I continue to launch new IE windows - and close some old
ones,
I could go on for another 30 minutes or so before my system
hang.

With FireFox and K-Meleon ( a Windows-Only derivative of
FireFox )
I can open 87 windows, and my system doesn't suffer any
sluggishness.

I can surf the web for 3 hours, open and close windows like
I never
before, and my system doesn't hang.

B. On IE6 ( and with all previous incarnation of IE ), I have to
watch out
for insideous pop-ups, disguising themselves as "autheticated
Microsoft
partners" asking your permission to place a cookie on your
system.

If I am not careful, and click on the "Yes" button, or hit the [
ENTER ]
key, I won't only get a "cookie" as they say, but a spyware that
will
stick to my system until I re-format my hard drive.

I tried all those "adware / spyware removers", it's just that
some of the spywares I "accidentally downloaded" are just too
sneaky
for the removers. And the only sure option for getting rid of
them
is to re-format my HD.

Why remove them spyware, you ask ?

Well ... I don't go to XXX sites, and I don't want to see
gory
sex-act on my computer screen. I am the "If I want sex, I'll
be
the one who do it" type, not those "Watch and salivate" type.

And some of them spyware really get to me - asking me to go
gambling
on the online casinos, placing all types (and all positions)
of sex
acts on my screen, even on Sunday Morning before I go to
church !!

So after the long struggle with all those spywares, I figured
that it's
just not worth the trouble anymore.

I am not blaming IE for the spyware, because IE by itself is
really good
at what they do. It just that those spyware people have hijacked
IE's
weaknesses and play havoc with our computers.

There are advantages of IE which FireFox ( and K-Meleon ) don't
have,
such as the correct rendering of some websites. Therefore, I
still keep
IE6 on my system, and will use it for those specific websites.
What about Free Download Manager and other programs...would
they continue to work in FF? Would using both FF and IE work OK? Does
Foxmail integrate well with Outlook Express/Firefox?

I don't use Outlook Express, so I can't answer your question, but
I _DO_
use third party download managers like Net Vampire, and they work
perfectly
kosher with FireFox / K-Meleon.

As I said, I have both the IE6 and FireFox on my system, and sometimes
I use them both AT THE SAME TIME. There are no problem, so far.

Hope this helps !
 
B

Brian L

Penang said:
After reading through the posts, it seems that a lot of people in this
newsgroup are using Firefox as their primary browser. I've been thinking
about trying it out, but I've got IE 6 and it's doing well. Many of my
freeware programs are integrated with it, and I've got everything working
like I want it.


The above is true, and true.

What you are feeling now, is almost like what I was feeling 3 weeks
ago.

I was totally contented with IE6. Everything render perfectly.

You want toolbar, yahoo, google, and all the rest got their own
version of toolbar for IE.

You want plugins, you got it.

Heck, you even can get "updates" by going to
www.windowsupdate.com

See, I am not disputing your claim, because I _did_ feel like you do
now.

What would be the advantage of switching to Firefox? Is it more of a security
question than anything else?



For me, just TWO advantages.

A. On my 1.5 GB RAM system, running XP, using IE6, I can surf the
web for
almost 45 minutes before I notice sluggishness.

On window-count, I can simultaneously launch 23 IE6 windows,
before my
system went into a crawl.

And if I continue to launch new IE windows - and close some old
ones,
I could go on for another 30 minutes or so before my system
hang.

With FireFox and K-Meleon ( a Windows-Only derivative of
FireFox )
I can open 87 windows, and my system doesn't suffer any
sluggishness.

I can surf the web for 3 hours, open and close windows like
I never
before, and my system doesn't hang.

B. On IE6 ( and with all previous incarnation of IE ), I have to
watch out
for insideous pop-ups, disguising themselves as "autheticated
Microsoft
partners" asking your permission to place a cookie on your
system.

If I am not careful, and click on the "Yes" button, or hit the [
ENTER ]
key, I won't only get a "cookie" as they say, but a spyware that
will
stick to my system until I re-format my hard drive.

I tried all those "adware / spyware removers", it's just that
some of the spywares I "accidentally downloaded" are just too
sneaky
for the removers. And the only sure option for getting rid of
them
is to re-format my HD.

Why remove them spyware, you ask ?

Well ... I don't go to XXX sites, and I don't want to see
gory
sex-act on my computer screen. I am the "If I want sex, I'll
be
the one who do it" type, not those "Watch and salivate" type.

And some of them spyware really get to me - asking me to go
gambling
on the online casinos, placing all types (and all positions)
of sex
acts on my screen, even on Sunday Morning before I go to
church !!

So after the long struggle with all those spywares, I figured
that it's
just not worth the trouble anymore.

I am not blaming IE for the spyware, because IE by itself is
really good
at what they do. It just that those spyware people have hijacked
IE's
weaknesses and play havoc with our computers.

There are advantages of IE which FireFox ( and K-Meleon ) don't
have,
such as the correct rendering of some websites. Therefore, I
still keep
IE6 on my system, and will use it for those specific websites.

What about Free Download Manager and other programs...would
they continue to work in FF? Would using both FF and IE work OK? Does
Foxmail integrate well with Outlook Express/Firefox?


I don't use Outlook Express, so I can't answer your question, but
I _DO_
use third party download managers like Net Vampire, and they work
perfectly
kosher with FireFox / K-Meleon.

As I said, I have both the IE6 and FireFox on my system, and sometimes
I use them both AT THE SAME TIME. There are no problem, so far.

Hope this helps !
I'm with Penang--Unless you are short of hard drive space, use them both
for a while. That's what I did and I hardly ever open IE anymore. Not
because FF is so superior (it is somewhat superior) but rather because
IE is such a target. With FF I hardly ever see spyware or popups
anymore (actually I have no problem with either, ever--knock on wood).

Oh, and for that rare page that requires IE to work right (Microsoft
pages like "windows update" for example) you can install an extension in
FF that lets you right-click the link and open it in IE. Extension
installation is virtually painless. Sometimes a page that won't work
right with FF works fine if you tell FF to disguise itself as IE. This
is so absurd to me that I try to avoid those pages.

No doubt if/when FF's popularity increases it will become a target
to--but not being as hard-linked to the OS it's not as likely to do
something nasty to your system.

BTW--there are great alternatives to Outlook Express--I'd suggest you
abandon that program--it may be even more vulnerable than IE. Foxmail
is actually far superior to Outlook Express but I don't think it handles
newsgroups. I use Thunderbird--but it's not a great program if your
computer is available to other users and you don't want them to see your
e-mail. The Mozilla suite (FF older brother) comes with an e-mail
client that I hear is quite good.
Brian
 
A

Aquila Deus

ncSkeet said:
After reading through the posts, it seems that a lot of people in this
newsgroup are using Firefox as their primary browser. I've been thinking
about trying it out, but I've got IE 6 and it's doing well. Many of my
freeware programs are integrated with it, and I've got everything working
like I want it. (I have XP Home Edition SP2 on a Compaq S4000NX, 40 Gig hard
drive, 2.4 Gig Intel Celeron processor, 376 RAM.) What would be the
advantage of switching to Firefox? Is it more of a security question than
anything else? What about Free Download Manager and other programs...would
they continue to work in FF? Would using both FF and IE work OK? Does
Foxmail integrate well with Outlook Express/Firefox?

I use IE-based GreenBrowser, with my own css tweaking to speed up IE
rendering (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl836648522d&[email protected]
). There is no reason to use firefox.
 
E

Eugene Esterly III

ncSkeet said:
After reading through the posts, it seems that a lot of people in this
newsgroup are using Firefox as their primary browser. I've been thinking
about trying it out, but I've got IE 6 and it's doing well. Many of my
freeware programs are integrated with it, and I've got everything working
like I want it. (I have XP Home Edition SP2 on a Compaq S4000NX, 40 Gig hard
drive, 2.4 Gig Intel Celeron processor, 376 RAM.) What would be the
advantage of switching to Firefox? Is it more of a security question than
anything else? What about Free Download Manager and other programs...would
they continue to work in FF? Would using both FF and IE work OK? Does
Foxmail integrate well with Outlook Express/Firefox?

Thanks in advance.
_____________
ncSkeet

Firefox is the better choice. It has better security than IE. It has a
password manager which you can save your passwords (it encypts your
passwords) so that you don't have to enter your passwords all the
time. It has tabbed browsing which allows you to view several websites
in the same browser screen w/out having to load new windows for every
website. It also has extensions/plug-ins which extend the browser.

I have both Firefox & IE6 on my comp & they work together. Firefox is
my primary browser but I still have IE6 to view websites which only
work with IE such as Windows Update. Firefox has no problems running
with Outlook Express. Download managers work well with Firefox.
Firefox is based on Mozilla & Mozilla is based on Netscape so progs
which work with Mozilla & Netscape should work with Firefox.
 

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