Which LCD?

[Frank]

Hello,

I'm looking to change my CRT to an LCD. I'm doing mostly programming,
and playing some games.

I shrink my selection to 2 panels:

1. LG L1710B
2. Samsung 172x

Would like to have your opinion on both?
The review seems to be great on both of them. But not sure the Samsung
woth the 115$ more.

Thanks

 

[J. Clarke]

Hello,

I'm looking to change my CRT to an LCD. I'm doing mostly programming,
and playing some games.

I shrink my selection to 2 panels:

1. LG L1710B
2. Samsung 172x

Would like to have your opinion on both?
The review seems to be great on both of them. But not sure the Samsung
woth the 115$ more.

The main benefit of the 172X is the 12ms response time, vs 16 for the LG,
which reduces ghosting in some games. If that's a serious issue for you
then it's worth the money. If it's not then it's not. Most users other
than some (not all) hardcore gamers find 16ms to be acceptable--it's up to
you how important game performance is.

 

[Michael Vondung]

I'm looking to change my CRT to an LCD. I'm doing mostly programming,
and playing some games.

Depends on the type of games you play. If you are not a hardcore gamer
who plays fast-paced games all the time, but also works at the machine,
I'd rather go with an I-IPS panel than a TN panel. Response times only
tell you how fast the colour is changed from white to black. TN panels
can display fewer colours than I-IPS panels, so they have to "mix" quite
a few colours, which is why these response times are frequently very
misleading. If you put a 12ms TN panel next to a 25ms I-IPS panel, you
are very unlikely to see an actual difference. (Done that, it's not just
theory.) I find I-IPS panels more pleasant to work on due to their
significantly larger viewing angle and "richer" colours (better black,
too). And I play shooters on mine, without any ghosting. (It's a 19"
model, though: NEC 1960NXi.) 19" displays are only a bit more expensive
than 17" ones now, so this might be an option also.

M.

 

[Bob Myers]

Depends on the type of games you play. If you are not a hardcore gamer
who plays fast-paced games all the time, but also works at the machine,
I'd rather go with an I-IPS panel than a TN panel. Response times only
tell you how fast the colour is changed from white to black. TN panels
can display fewer colours than I-IPS panels, so they have to "mix" quite
a few colours, which is why these response times are frequently very
misleading.

I the the above needs a bit of clarification.

There is no inherent difference between the TN and IPS (I'm not
sure what you mean by "I-IPS") types in terms of the number of
colors which can be displayed; this is controlled by the panel's
color gamut and the bits/color provided by the panel's column
drivers. Fewer bits/color are typically provided by current TN
panels vs. IPS, just because the TN technology tends to be used
in the lower-cost products (which then also use the less expensive
column drivers) - but don't misinterpret this as a limitation of the
LC mode itself. Response times in the two types are also both
improving, although again the IPS types (and the other leading
"wide-angle" technology, VA) will likely wind up the fastest as
the improvements are coming first in the higher-end panels.
The absolute fastest response to date is coming from yet another
LC mode, "OCB" (optically-compensated bend), which is most
like the TN in its basic operation and manufacturing but not yet
being introduced into the monitor panel market (like the others,
it's really being pushed by the needs of the larger TV panels).

Bob M.

 

[Company Man]

How can you find out if a particular LCD display unit is TN, IPS, or VA? Is
it quoted on the price card with the other system specs,? or do I have to
get the salesperson to fetch the manual?

 

[Marcin Nowak]

How can you find out if a particular LCD display unit is TN, IPS, or VA? Is
it quoted on the price card with the other system specs,? or do I have to
get the salesperson to fetch the manual?

It's really hard to find out the type of the LCD display panel. Some
time ago Michael gave a link to a german site that would tell you the
type for a given display.
Marcin

 

[Frank]

It's really hard to find out the type of the LCD display panel. Some
time ago Michael gave a link to a german site that would tell you the
type for a given display.
Marcin

I found this one in german
http://www.prad.de/

 

[Frank]

Depends on the type of games you play. If you are not a hardcore gamer
who plays fast-paced games all the time, but also works at the machine,
I'd rather go with an I-IPS panel than a TN panel. Response times only
tell you how fast the colour is changed from white to black. TN panels
can display fewer colours than I-IPS panels, so they have to "mix" quite
a few colours, which is why these response times are frequently very
misleading. If you put a 12ms TN panel next to a 25ms I-IPS panel, you
are very unlikely to see an actual difference. (Done that, it's not just
theory.) I find I-IPS panels more pleasant to work on due to their
significantly larger viewing angle and "richer" colours (better black,
too). And I play shooters on mine, without any ghosting. (It's a 19"
model, though: NEC 1960NXi.) 19" displays are only a bit more expensive
than 17" ones now, so this might be an option also.

M.

Thanks Michael for the info, look more on this S-IPS thing and TN.
Found some interesting models with S-IPS. Since you have an NEC maybe
you can answer this:
I'm looking in the long run to have a dual display, is the NEC a good
one for that. I mean by that is the side bezel not too large?

Thanks again
Frank

 

[Not Gimpy Anymore]

Thanks Michael for the info, look more on this S-IPS thing and TN.
Found some interesting models with S-IPS. Since you have an NEC maybe
you can answer this:
I'm looking in the long run to have a dual display, is the NEC a good
one for that. I mean by that is the side bezel not too large?

Thanks again
Frank

Check out the new HP L1955 monitor - it has the most narrow bezel in the
industry,
and uses VA panels, so response time is about as fast as you can get. (How
Samsung
can advertise 8ms monitors is beyond me 'cause this baby uses the fastest
Samsung
panel and needs overdrive to get 16 mS - the 16 mS is an HONEST number.)

You can find details on he HP web site - when I checked, price was $699
but I don't think it will stay at that level for long, competition being
what it is.

hth,
NGA