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Guest

Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still have to
rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country where I get 1KB/s
downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of internet surfing cost $10. With
all this spyware programs going around, I don't trust any of this downloaders
anymore. Why can't Microsoft just add a downloader that can also resume
downloading if I loose my connection. The other day I tried to download a new
version of Nero (30MB in size) and 6 hours later I lost my connection. I will
not try again.
 
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Gordon

Frank said:
I use IE as my download manager. It works quite well for me on both
satellite and dialup connections.
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But does it resume, if the connection is lost, or does it just start all
over?
 
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kurttrail

Poor said:
Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still
have to rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country
where I get 1KB/s downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of
internet surfing cost $10. With all this spyware programs going
around, I don't trust any of this downloaders anymore. Why can't
Microsoft just add a downloader that can also resume downloading if I
loose my connection. The other day I tried to download a new version
of Nero (30MB in size) and 6 hours later I lost my connection. I will
not try again.
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Forgive the MVPs in this thread, they know not what they do!

Just buy yourself a good download utility, that does resume. If you ar
paying $2.50 an hour for such a slow connection, the downloader will pay
for itself in no time!

I use GetRight, and have nothing bad to say about it. You can demo it
for free before using it.

http://www.getright.com

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Vagabond Software

Poor Boy said:
Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still have to
rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country where I get 1KB/s
downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of internet surfing cost $10. With
all this spyware programs going around, I don't trust any of this downloaders
anymore. Why can't Microsoft just add a downloader that can also resume
downloading if I loose my connection. The other day I tried to download a new
version of Nero (30MB in size) and 6 hours later I lost my connection. I will
not try again.
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If you use Internet Explorer, it is endlessly extensible. Hundreds of download management, tabbed browsing, and advanced privacy management extensions are freely available for IE.

http://windowsmarketplace.com/Results.aspx?collID=57&SortBy=PRICE&Order=A

carl
 
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Sam

Apparently, _Poor Boy_, on 16/02/05 05:09,typed:
Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still have to
rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country where I get 1KB/s
downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of internet surfing cost $10. With
all this spyware programs going around, I don't trust any of this downloaders
anymore. Why can't Microsoft just add a downloader that can also resume
downloading if I loose my connection. The other day I tried to download a new
version of Nero (30MB in size) and 6 hours later I lost my connection. I will
not try again.
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Okay, others will give you GUI suggestions (some free, some not). My
favorite, however, is wget (http://xoomer.virgilio.it/hherold/). Just
scroll down that page and download the one linked with "THIS ONE: 1.9.1
complete". The installation needs some manual work to make it
system-wide(also see: http://www.interlog.com/~tcharron/wgetwin.html).
Or just unzip the files in the directory where you usually want to
download your stuff and always use wget from that directory.

Wget has tones of options. It can download whole websites if you wish,
or just a single file from a URL (http or ftp or whatever). If the
connection breaks, you can resume that download and provided that the
remote machine supports such a download, it will continue where it left
off (if however the remote machine does NOT support that option, no
downloader will be able to do that).

Catch? It is not GUI based, at least not that I know of. Huge advantage:
free and open source. wget is a very common tool in Linux/Unix world and
quite robust and tested. So give it a try if really want resuming
functionality on your dial up. Once you settle down with it's non-GUI
use, you will never go back to a GUI based downloader.

Sam.
 
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Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers

Love getright, I've used the registered version for many years - still do,
particularly for linux iso's.One of the best out there.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
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Bruce Chambers

Poor said:
Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still have to
rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country where I get 1KB/s
downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of internet surfing cost $10. With
all this spyware programs going around, I don't trust any of this downloaders
anymore. Why can't Microsoft just add a downloader that can also resume
downloading if I loose my connection. The other day I tried to download a new
version of Nero (30MB in size) and 6 hours later I lost my connection. I will
not try again.
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Why should Microsoft add a pure snake oil product to slow things down
even more?

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both at once. - RAH
 
K

kurttrail

Bruce said:
Why should Microsoft add a pure snake oil product to slow things down
even more?
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Not all download management is snake oil.

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Bruce Chambers

kurttrail said:
Not all download management is snake oil.
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I'm skeptical, but I suppose you could be correct. I haven't had
reason to test any since I switched to broadband, a few years ago. It
is possible that a useful down manager has been developed since then.
I'll take the information under advisement.


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Alex Nichol

Poor Boy said:
Why in this day and age where Microsoft rules supreme, do I still have to
rely on 3rd party internet downloaders? I live in a country where I get 1KB/s
downloads if I'm lucky and where 4 hours of internet surfing cost $10.
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That is the flip side of the objecton that MS tries to bundle all things
possible, to the detriment of other development. Starting with the
Netscape action; ending most recently with the European requirement to
omit Media Player
 
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kurttrail

Bruce said:
I'm skeptical, but I suppose you could be correct. I haven't had
reason to test any since I switched to broadband, a few years ago. It
is possible that a useful down manager has been developed since then.
I'll take the information under advisement.
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GetRight is one of the best and it has been around quite a while. Not
only does it support resuming downloads, but with very large files that
are on a lot of mirror servers with various upload speeds, it can find
the fastest mirror, and also download from multiple mirrors.

Like Rick said, it's great for downloading Linux ISO's.

I mainly use it to as a download que when downloading many files, such
as Dead Shows. With around 20 files per Dead show, I just click on all
twenty, and let Get Right download two at a time. Why not download all
twenty at once? Because I don't what to hog the server for so other
people can download from them too.

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kurttrail

Alex said:
That is the flip side of the objecton that MS tries to bundle all
things possible, to the detriment of other development. Starting
with the Netscape action; ending most recently with the European
requirement to omit Media Player
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And it hasn't really ended there! Now they've announced that all
licensed users will get MS AntiSpyware free. And who knows what MS will
do with the AV product they are developing.

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Vagabond Software

kurttrail said:
And it hasn't really ended there! Now they've announced that all
licensed users will get MS AntiSpyware free. And who knows what MS will
do with the AV product they are developing.

--
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Apparently, the will include it with their Internet Explorer 7, which will be freely available for users of Windows XP SP2.

carl
 
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kurttrail

Vagabond said:
Apparently, the will include it with their Internet Explorer 7, which
will be freely available for users of Windows XP SP2.

carl
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LOL! Bundling the bundle! Only MS would think of it! ;-)

Has anyone seen an Alpha of IE 7? I wonder if MS is going add tabbed
browsing. Is there gonna be a OE 7 at the same time? Will it handle
binaries any better?

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Vagabond Software

kurttrail said:
LOL! Bundling the bundle! Only MS would think of it! ;-)

Has anyone seen an Alpha of IE 7? I wonder if MS is going add tabbed
browsing. Is there gonna be a OE 7 at the same time? Will it handle
binaries any better?

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I haven't seen an Alpha of IE7, but I can make a pretty safe prediction. Tabbed browsing will only be available through extension, like it is now, not by default. The truth is that most users of Windows either have no wish to try tabbed interfaces or have no inclination to use them when available. Where Firefox includes basic tabbed browsing by default and enhances it through extension, Internet Explorer offers SDI by default and enhanced tabbed browsing through extension.

That is the way it is likely to remain.

carl
 
K

kurttrail

Vagabond said:
I haven't seen an Alpha of IE7, but I can make a pretty safe
prediction. Tabbed browsing will only be available through
extension, like it is now, not by default. The truth is that most
users of Windows either have no wish to try tabbed interfaces or have
no inclination to use them when available. Where Firefox includes
basic tabbed browsing by default and enhances it through extension,
Internet Explorer offers SDI by default and enhanced tabbed browsing
through extension.

That is the way it is likely to remain.

carl
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Sounds like IE7 will be more of a Service Pack of IE6, than a new
version, like IE6 wasn't much more than a Service Pack of IE5.x.

So much for Innovation coming out of Redmond!

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Vagabond Software

kurttrail said:
Sounds like IE7 will be more of a Service Pack of IE6, than a new
version, like IE6 wasn't much more than a Service Pack of IE5.x.

So much for Innovation coming out of Redmond!

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It's not like tabbed browsing would've qualified as some kind of amazing upgrade. In fact, it would be just one more thing I would have to "undo" when I configure a system. That's one of my annoyances with Trillian. Anyway, there hasn't been any real innovation in browsing by anyone since version 4 of the respective engines.

However, it would be very nice if OE could be configured for either top or bottom posting. I don't do too much with binaries so I can't speak to the improvements needed in that area.

carl
 

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