what is the difference between firefox 10.0.2 and 3.6.25 for windows?

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I'm not in favour of downloading and installing browsers, just to try them
out, so you should have a look at this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers

My view is very different from yours. That article provides some good
information, but a chart with a yes or no for some feature does very
little to tell you how the features are implemented and which way you
like better. Moreover some browsers have features that aren't listed
in the Wikipedia article.

Especially since almost all browsers are free, I *highly* recommend
downloading and trying out several of the highly-rated ones. We all
have different likes and dislikes and some features can be more
important to me than you, or vice versa. And you don't really get to
know anything about the differences in features and whether you prefer
one to the other without trying both.

I personally think Maxthon 3 is for me the best browser available (at
least of those I've tried) but if you prefer Firefox to Maxthon,
that's fine. But it's fine only if you've tried Maxthon and given it a
fair shake.
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[Mayayana]

| I personally think Maxthon 3 is for me the best browser available (at
| least of those I've tried) but if you prefer Firefox to Maxthon,
| that's fine. But it's fine only if you've tried Maxthon and given it a
| fair shake.

That's a rather strong statement. Maxthon can
switch between WebKit and IE. And it offers online
services if one signs up. What about people who
specifically don't want those things? I don't want
any online page to ever load in an IE window. I
certainly wouldn't want my browser to be making
that decision. I don't want to sign up. I don't want
a spyware "passport" that stores my favorites online.
I don't want multi-search from the toolbar. I don't
want mouse gestures.

The only feature that looked attractive was the
possibility of being able to download video from
any site. But I'm guessing that's not as good as it
sounds. Some servers, like vimeo.com, only provide
a link with a server-side database ID. You can't get
the file except by playing it. I doubt that the Maxthon
feature is better than DownloadHelper in Firefox,
which at least can get Youtube FLV files. (But if it
could download *any* video without playing it, it
would be worth having around for that alone.)

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

| I personally think Maxthon 3 is for me the best browser available (at
| least of those I've tried) but if you prefer Firefox to Maxthon,
| that's fine. But it's fine only if you've tried Maxthon and given it a
| fair shake.

That's a rather strong statement. Maxthon can
switch between WebKit and IE. And it offers online
services if one signs up. What about people who
specifically don't want those things?

If you don't want those things, or you wouldn't use Maxthon's other
features, that's fine. Your needs, wants, tastes, etc. don't have to
be the same as mine. As I said, "We all have different likes and
dislikes and some features can be more important to me than you, or
vice versa. And you don't really get to know anything about the
differences in features and whether you prefer one to the other
without trying both.

"I personally think Maxthon 3 is for me the best browser available (at
least of those I've tried) but if you prefer Firefox to Maxthon,
that's fine."

I'm not trying to convince anyone that my choice is best for them. But
I do highly recommend that Maxthon at least be tried and compared to
what you think to be your best choice.
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[Ken Springer]

| What you are asking is for the vast majority of users to be as
| knowledgeable about using computers as you are.

No, I think you're twisting what I'm saying. Google
is spying while Firefox helps them get away with it
by removing the status bar.

No, I don't agree with your statement. If I follow your thought, you're
saying the homeowner left the house, locked the door, but forgot the
window. Therefore, the homeowner is partially responsible for the burglary.

To me, that's total BS, pure and simple. You should be able to leave
your windows and doors open, your car unlocked, or browse without being
spied upon.

Yes, Google spied, which shows you they are not to be trusted. If they
were as honest and open as they try to portray themselves, they would
have reported the flaw in Safari to Apple.

They would also not track people's habits, but lots of sites do that.
As far as I know, while distasteful, it's not illegal to track some
information. It's been done for years, the computer just makes it
easier to do it on a larger scale.

Instead of working to make things better, the majority just acquiesce to
the lowest common denominator.

I'm not saying everyone must learn to read, so to
speak. I'm saying, "To whom it may concern, these
people are burning books and may be blocking your
access to information."

If they don't read that status bar, it doesn't matter what you put there.

What you're saying boils down to, "So what if they
burn the books? A lot of people don't read them anyway."

Definitely true, too many people simply don't care. I don't know why.
This point is even made by H. G. Wells in "The Time Machine". The Eloi
had access to all the books, both paper and the "rings", but ignored all
because someone was giving them everything they wanted.

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 10.0.2
Thunderbird 10.0.2
LibreOffice 3.4.5

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

In message <[email protected]>, "Ken Blake,


No-one can argue with that. But, of course, it takes time to properly
evaluate anything,

Absolutely.


and browsers are certainly among the more complicated
things to evaluate.

Absolutely.


Some of us don't want to spend that time, and are
thus willing to admit we don't know much about the (in this case)
browsers other than the one we currently use.

Understood. And you are certainly free to use a poorer one than a
better one for that reason. <vbg>

(Just joking of course. None of us--not even me--get to really try and
evaluate everything). Whether it's a browser or any other kind of
software, what I personally try and evaluate depends on how much
respect I have for the person who recommends that I try it. That's how
I found Maxthon; it was recommended by someone for whom I have great
respect.


Nevertheless, I do recommend that you try Maxthon. But if you choose
not to, I understand why you don't. I'm not trying to insist that
everyone try it.
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[Mayayana]

| If they don't read that status bar, it doesn't matter what you put there.
|
| > What you're saying boils down to, "So what if they
| > burn the books? A lot of people don't read them anyway."
|
| Definitely true, too many people simply don't care. I don't know why.

Let me see if I have this straight: Most people are
lazy and contemptibly stupid, as evidenced by the
fact that they're not tech. experts. Therefore they
should be abused and exploited, and don't deserve to
have a status bar on their browser?

What if your dentist, waiter and stockbroker partake of
the same arrogance? You'll be drinking cheap wine that
your waiter has spit into, with overpriced crowns you
didn't need, which you can't afford to pay for because of
the bad stock you got tricked into buying.

Will you admire those people because they hold humanity
to a high standard, as defined by their own personal priorities?
(Perhaps, then, there's a job for you over at GoogleReich.

 

[DJW]

| If they don't read that status bar, it doesn't matter what you put there.
|
| >    What you're saying boils down to, "So what if they
| > burn the books? A lot of people don't read them anyway."
|
| Definitely true, too many people simply don't care.  I don't know why..

  Let me see if I have this straight: Most people are
lazy and contemptibly stupid, as evidenced by the
fact that they're not tech. experts. Therefore they
should be abused and exploited, and don't deserve to
have a status bar on their browser?

  What if your dentist, waiter and stockbroker partake of
the same arrogance? You'll be drinking cheap wine that
your waiter has spit into, with overpriced crowns you
didn't need, which you can't afford to pay for because of
the bad stock you got tricked into buying.

  Will you admire those people because they hold humanity
to a high standard, as defined by their own personal priorities?
(Perhaps, then, there's a job for you over at GoogleReich.

I downloaded palemoon but when I unzip I gat a folder where I see no
setup.exe or install.exe how do I install it

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:55:26 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Some of us don't want to spend that time, and are
thus willing to admit we don't know much about the (in this case)
browsers other than the one we currently use.

Understood. And you are certainly free to use a poorer one than a
better one for that reason. <vbg> []
Nevertheless, I do recommend that you try Maxthon. But if you choose
not to, I understand why you don't. I'm not trying to insist that
everyone try it.
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

With comments like the above, yes you are - even if done with a big
grin! (I'm probably as bad about things _I'm_ passionate about.)

There's a big difference between recommending (which I'm doing) and
insisting (which I'm certainly not doing). The choice is entirely
yours, and considering how little I know you, and others here, I
really don't care whether you try it or not.

On the other hand, I *do* wish I could get my son to try it. But he
refuses.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[Iceman]

In this group DJW wrote in message

I downloaded palemoon but when I unzip I gat a folder where I see no
setup.exe or install.exe how do I install it

You simply unzip the files into a folder called "Pale Moon" or whatever, and
you're set to go.

If you want a installer version, they can also be downloaded from:

http://www.palemoon.org/download-v3.shtml

 

[Mayayana]

| On the other hand, I *do* wish I could get my son to try it. But he
| refuses.
|

You never did specify anything you like about
Maxthon. I was challenging your view, but I was
also curious why you like it so much. (And why
anyone with the experience of an MVP would allow
webpages to be handed off to IE willy nilly.)

Perhaps you like the "cloud storage" of your
settings because you move around a lot? None
of the features in Maxthon was explained in depth
at their site, so it was hard to gauge the value
of things like video file downloads.

The WebKit/IE
toggle made me wonder about my own website.
I serve two different pages. One goes to all versions
of IE and requires script. I code it for "quirks mode",
which basically means that I'm not specifying a version
of HTML. That causes all versions of IE to render the
page pretty much as IE 5 or 6 would render it. That
way, I can write code that works dependably in all
versions of IE. Otherwise each version needs its own
treatment, because MS has broken compatibility to
some extent in every version of IE. (Even IE 5 and 6
are not quite the same.)

I then have another version of each page for any
browser except IE, which works dependably across
any version of Opera, Mozilla, etc. The second version
doesn't require script.

The page sent depends on the browser userAgent,
which is a fairly common technique. I'm guessing it
might work out like so: Maxthon loads my page, sending
a WebKit UA, and gets the non-IE version. It then sees
that I'm not using a DOCTYPE tag (for reasons of
consistency across browsers and versions) and decides
that my page is "old fashioned". So Maxthon then hands
the page to IE, with the result that the page layout is
corrupt and the menus probably don't work.

What starts out as a good idea to be adaptable could
end up being more work because the Maxthon designers
are assuming that they know better than webmasters
how the webmaster's own webpage should be rendered.

 

[Mayayana]

| Why can't you just create a folder called Maxthon, and extract it there?
| On the portable versions of programs I've seen, there is no need to use
the
| Program Files directory (but which IS used for installer type programs).
|

We're talking about Pale Moon. But yes, you
can just extract it to the Desktop if you like;
wherever is convenient.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

| On the other hand, I *do* wish I could get my son to try it. But he
| refuses.
|

You never did specify anything you like about
Maxthon. I was challenging your view, but I was
also curious why you like it so much.

No, I didn't specify anything. I don't want to tell anybody what's
best for them. If you're interested, I recommend that you give it a
try, and see what *you* like (or don't like) about it. And if you're
not interested, that's fine too.


Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

In message <[email protected]>, "Ken Blake,


I'm afraid "try it" has less persuasive force than "try it - it does
this". M isn't the only one who's curious about why you like it, but not
curious enough to do so without some hint (-:!

Then don't try it. I'm not trying to persuade anyone.
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP

 

[Char Jackson]

I'm afraid "try it" has less persuasive force than "try it - it does
this". M isn't the only one who's curious about why you like it, but not
curious enough to do so without some hint (-:!

This is completely off topic, but I've been meaning to ask for awhile
because I just don't know. When you add an emoticon, but reverse it so
it appears backward, does its meaning change? Or is it the same, only
different? What's the significance of reversing it?

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

This is completely off topic, but I've been meaning to ask for awhile
because I just don't know. When you add an emoticon, but reverse it so
it appears backward, does its meaning change? Or is it the same, only
different? What's the significance of reversing it?

Different strokes for different folks. Some (mostly from the BBS days)
would point the emoticon toward the statement the emoticon referred to.
I suspect that is what John is doing, though I haven't seen that used
in decades...

--
Zaphod

"So [Trillian], two heads is what does it for a girl?"
"...Anything else [Zaphod]'s got two of?"
- Arthur Dent

 

[Char Jackson]

Different strokes for different folks. Some (mostly from the BBS days)
would point the emoticon toward the statement the emoticon referred to.
I suspect that is what John is doing, though I haven't seen that used
in decades...

Cool, thanks. Just curious. or should I say (-:

 

[Char Jackson]

Simpler than that - I'm correct-handed (-:!

I assume that means left-handed, but of course that doesn't answer my
question any more than being red-headed would. I'll stay with the
'different strokes' explanation. Thanks for indulging me.

 

[Ken Springer]

| If they don't read that status bar, it doesn't matter what you put there.
|
|> What you're saying boils down to, "So what if they
|> burn the books? A lot of people don't read them anyway."
|
| Definitely true, too many people simply don't care. I don't know why.

Let me see if I have this straight: Most people are
lazy and contemptibly stupid, as evidenced by the
fact that they're not tech. experts. Therefore they
should be abused and exploited, and don't deserve to
have a status bar on their browser?

Lazy, yes. I don't like the word "stupid" any more, let's say ignorant
and unwilling and/or uninterested in learning.

As for being abused and exploited, to a certain extent, if a person
isn't will to take some personal responsibility for their actions, they
do deserve it to some extent.

What if your dentist, waiter and stockbroker partake of
the same arrogance?

Some already do.

You'll be drinking cheap wine that
your waiter has spit into, with overpriced crowns you
didn't need, which you can't afford to pay for because of
the bad stock you got tricked into buying.

All of this already happens. What's new about that?

Will you admire those people because they hold humanity
to a high standard, as defined by their own personal priorities?
(Perhaps, then, there's a job for you over at GoogleReich.

I never said a single word about admiring this type of person. If these
people are spitting into drinks, etc., I'd say they hold people to a low
standard.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 10.0.2
Thunderbird 10.0.2
LibreOffice 3.4.5

 

[DJW]

Cool, thanks. Just curious. or should I say (-:

well been using Pale Moon for a few days and can't say I am loving it
more than FF

 

[Mayayana]

well been using Pale Moon for a few days and can't say I am loving it
more than FF
It *is* Firefox. It just leaves out some extras
that most people don't need, making it a bit more
lightweight. It also seems to be less pushy about
the recent trend toward removing options like having
a status bar. (As we were talking about above.) But
other than that you shouldn't see any difference.
The basic core of PM and FF are the same thing.

I don't know exactly what the PM people are doing
different. I have PM 3 and 9, and FF 3. My understanding
is that the interface of FF has been changing radically
since v. 4, but I haven't tried instally FF9/10/11 to
see how it works. I just know that with PM9 I haven't
lost any options. I still have a status bar. I'm still free
to choose windows over tabs. Etc.