What causes this?

G

Guest

I have read that something happens to the OS that causes it to realize the
restore points it has are not an accurate depiction of the volume it is
supposed to be restoring, causeing the restore points to get erased. What
causes that so I can stop my computer from erasing every damn restore point
it makes.

AS long as I don't shut down/restart the computer, they will stay
indefinitely, I kept putting the computer in S3 sleep mode for a few weeks
and all of the restore points (automatic or manual) stayed. As soon as I
restarted due to the updates, they were all erased.

I know that windows XP erases them, but I do not have windows XP installed,
so please do not post links to the Windows XP fixes for this issue - they
won't help.
 
R

Rick Rogers

Hi,

Certain updates erase old restore points to prevent an attempt to revert to
a state where an updated system file is not compatible. Now, if the restore
points are wiped out on every reboot, that would be different, but if you
are only restarting every couple of weeks then I would expect that one or
more of the updates are erasing older points.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 
G

Guest

No, its every boot. I did that as an experiment to see if it was the reboot
that did it or if it just happened. I have confirmed it was rebooting the
computer... Every single time.

I see on third party websites that it happens every so often with ultimate.
(Which is what I have) and here is an error message that everyone gets, my
self included, upon the automatic startup after restoring the system to what
ever restore point was created earlier in the same windows session.

It reads:

There was an unexpected error.
The parameter is incorrect. (0x80070057)
Please close System Restore and try again.

BUT, the restore is completed successfully, but the restore point gets
erased, so there is no undoing the restore.
 
G

Guest

The attached KB 305193 in an explanation of the error, (info only) I would
not consider attempting to repair unless you know absolutely what is required.
Have you attempted to Restore as the error suggests?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/305193/en-us
--
Regards
Bob J
If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
another source,post back & let us know.
Then we all benefit.
 
R

Rick Rogers

Hi Mason,

When you state "everyone gets", do you mean all users of this machine? Or
all users in a work environment? That error code can be associated with both
the BITS and VSS services.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:01:40 -0400, "Rick Rogers"
Certain updates erase old restore points to prevent an attempt to revert to
a state where an updated system file is not compatible.
Click to expand...

Eh? I thought the whole *point* of System Restore was the ability to
roll back such updated files, and that we "need" System Restore in
case an update screws up the system.

So how we have updates that deliberately break your ability to undo
them? Those wouldn't happen to be user-hostile pushware, such as
WGA(N) and/or DRM revocations, would they?
Now, if the restore points are wiped out on every reboot, that would
be different, but if you are only restarting every couple of weeks then
I would expect that one or more of the updates are erasing older points.
Click to expand...

Sounds whiffy.

If you unmask what AutoChk usually kills, buries and denies after it
"fixes" things after bad exits, you will see that in XP, the \SVI gets
shot to pieces on a regular basis. I often wonder how reliable it can
be, in the following scenario:
- something crashes the PC, forcing bad exits
- the bad exits corrupt System Restore material in \SVI
- you do a SysRestore to blindly "fix" whatever's crashing the PC

So maybe Vista is aware that \SVI (or Vista's more hidden equivalent)
is going to be trashed after bad exits, and silently purges it
whenever AutoChk has run, or (more sophisticated) AutoChk reports it
has "fixed" material within the SR store?

Couple that with an ATX hassle that cuts power to the HD before it has
flushed to platters, and you'd have your failure pattern.





------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Click to expand...
The most accurate diagnostic instrument
in medicine is the Retrospectoscope
 
C

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:00:00 -0700, Mason
No, its every boot. I did that as an experiment to see if it was the reboot
that did it or if it just happened. I have confirmed it was rebooting the
computer... Every single time.
Click to expand...

When you say "rebooting", do you mean:
- Start, Shutdown, Restart
- pressing the reset button on the case
?
There was an unexpected error.
The parameter is incorrect. (0x80070057)
Please close System Restore and try again.

BUT, the restore is completed successfully, but the restore point gets
erased, so there is no undoing the restore.
Click to expand...

Hmm... another possible scenario suggests itself:
- you have resident malware
- this malware updates itself every X minutes
- so it is permanently newer than your av, which can't detect it
- but when your do a System Restore, the av jumps in...


------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Click to expand...
The most accurate diagnostic instrument
in medicine is the Retrospectoscope
 
G

Guest

No, when I say, "Everyone gets" I mean every person who posted a thread wth
the same symptoms as me.
 
G

Guest

I get the error after a restore. And, after getting the error, the computer
has rebooted due to the restore process, and the restoe points are purged...
There's my dilema
 
G

Guest

I mean reboot as in, I close my session and shut the coputer down. The next
day, i boot it up and all of the restore points I made were erased.

ALSO, if I make a restore point, then hit start restart, they are erased.

I do not know what the reset button will do. I always properly turn the
computer off if I can help it.

I don't think I have malware as this has been going on since the day that
vista was put on this computer and I run scans for spyware, viruses, etc
religiously using many different scanners: Norton Antivirus 2007, avg
antispyware, Xoftspyse, and spybot S&D, all of which come up clean.
 
R

Rick Rogers

Hi Mason,

Run regedit, does this key exist?
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT\SystemRestore

If so, you may have a GP causing this problem. Export a copy of the key,
then open it in notepad and copy/paste the results into a reply. Please ask
if you need assistance with the steps.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:08:10 -0700, Mason
I mean reboot as in, I close my session and shut the coputer down.
Click to expand...

Cool; much relief ;-)
The next day, i boot it up and all of the restore points I made were erased.
Click to expand...

Do you see AutoChk running, "fixing" things? Mind you, Vista may hide
that completely, in keeping with the whole "kill, bury, deny" thing.

Have you looked at the Reliability logs? They're a great feature
(basically, a better UI to functionality even more hidden in XP) that
are still a bit hidden; type Reliability in the Start, Search...

Look for failed shutdowns, etc.
ALSO, if I make a restore point, then hit start restart, they are erased.
Click to expand...

Seems consistent, if nothing else :-/
I do not know what the reset button will do. I always properly turn the
computer off if I can help it.
Click to expand...

I'm glad - I certainly wasn't advocating the Red Button :)
I don't think I have malware as this has been going on since the day that
vista was put on this computer and I run scans for spyware, viruses, etc
religiously using many different scanners: Norton Antivirus 2007, avg
antispyware, Xoftspyse, and spybot S&D, all of which come up clean.
Click to expand...

OK, fair enough. I'm thinking about some sort of ATX thing that may
be cutting into the last part of shutdown so that writes to the file
system are never completed. Couple that with "kill, bury, deny"
cleanup and you may have your failure pattern.

Is it an old mobo? How's the ACPI support? Overclocking?
 
G

Guest

No, it does not exist. Is it supposed to?

Rick Rogers said:
Hi Mason,

Run regedit, does this key exist?
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT\SystemRestore

If so, you may have a GP causing this problem. Export a copy of the key,
then open it in notepad and copy/paste the results into a reply. Please ask
if you need assistance with the steps.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
Click to expand...
 
G

Guest

I have checked the reliability log, and the only errors in there have to do
with when I was working very hard at getting Nero 7 to work. No other errors
other than that. Also in the other error log, there are many, but none
relate to system restore. Even the error I get on restart after doing a
restore wasn't there.

This mother board is 14 months old. I actually have flashed it to try to
clear up errors with the S3(str) suspend mode, it only sleeps for a few
minutes before it comes out of sleep with nothing to cause this happening, so
I am forced to always shut it down... Very disappointing.

I am not sure what you mean by the ACPI support. What exactly do you want
to know? I know it has something to do with CDROMs...

No, there is no over clocking.

If it helps, this computer was built with XP, and because I work in a
computer store, I was kinda forced, as well as wanted to update to vista so
that I can learn the ways we have to go about fixing it and how differently
it works so I can give consumer demonstrations and sales. This computer ran
with out hiccups for a full year until I installed vista two months ago. I
mean zero problems.
 
R

Rick Rogers

Hi Mason,

No it shouldn't unless there is a group policy in place for System Restore,
which is what I was checking for. Have you tried disabling your antivirus
and any internet security program?

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 
G

Guest

Yep, already tried that too. I only NAV2007 not the firewall, just the plain
jane anti virus because I read the norton internet security would cause that
problem, so I figured that maybe NAV could too, but nope. didn't help.

When I did it, there was NOTHING to do with symantec running on the
computer. I cleared out both of its processes from the startup tab in
MSCONFIG as well as all 7 of its services on the service tab. Nothing else
like that runs, but here's a list of what does:

ROBO Form (password/login saver)
NAV2007
Creative labs webcam manager
Nero Back it up (Can't be this because I had the problem well before this
was installed)
AVG antispy (Same as with nero)

and that is it.
 
G

Guest

Never thought of looking there.

I know that I have defrag automatically at 7 pm on Monday, but I wasn't sure
that that was all. So I went to check, and here a few errors that I got from
task scheduler.

Upon opening task scheduler:

An error has occurred for task reminders - Mason. Error message: The
specified account name is not valid.

If I click "Task Sheduler Library:"

Catastrophic Failure (Exception from HRESULT: 0x8000FFFF (E_UNEXPECTED))

If I click ok, they allow me to go on into what ever it is that I wanted to
see, but the problem is that I don't know whether it is letting me see the
tasks or not because it is blank. It is very possible that it is blank b/c
the only thing I had set to run was defrag, but I don't know if it is or not
seeing as how I get this error message and the I cannot understand how to
make a damn thing work in the new task schedler. The old one was just fine,
why can't they leave anything alone?!
 

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