What causes this?

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Guest

Yep, one for every single day since I loaded vista!

But how do I clear all of the problems up with the task scheduler as well?
Did you get to see the error messages I received while trying to run it?
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:10:01 -0700, Mason
I have checked the reliability log, and the only errors in there have to do
with when I was working very hard at getting Nero 7 to work.

Did it work in the end? Was this the bundleware Nero 7 Essentials?
No other errors other than that. Also in the other error log, there
are many, but none relate to system restore.

AFAIK Vista calls many things my different names, and that may apply
to SR (may be called System Protection now). Also, event logging
(which "Reliability" is rooted in) may refer to such events as Shadow
Copy or something... I've always found those logs to be heavy going,
which is why the Reliability facility is really good!
Even the error I get on restart after doing a restore wasn't there.
Hmm..

This mother board is 14 months old.

OK, possibly old enough to have "bad capacitor disease" as well as
gunked heat sink and fan, but you wouldn't have such a clean problem
(all well except SR always deleted) in those cases.
I actually have flashed it to try to clear up errors with the S3(str)
suspend mode, it only sleeps for a few minutes before it comes
out of sleep with nothing to cause this happening

That sort of thing could affect shutdown, too, so fits. If you said
"...and I keep losing settings that I make during a Windows session,
on the next boot, they're gone", I'd suspect that a bit more.

OTOH, elsewhere in this thread I saw something about dual resident av,
which is known to be a Bad Idea. Do you really have two different
resident av installed?
I am forced to always shut it down... Very disappointing.

Hm. What mobo is this? What chipset?
I am not sure what you mean by the ACPI support. What exactly do you want
to know? I know it has something to do with CDROMs...

CD-ROM sounds more like something else (IKWYM, but it's not ACPI).
AFAIK, ACPI is a hardware standard that defines how BIOS and power
management works with the hardware, and that in turn ties into ATX
power shutdown, suspend, hardware resource allocation etc.

In older NT-based OSs, the initial HAL would be based on a particular
type of hardware setup and could be invalidated if that was later
changed after the fact - much as Vmm32.vxd would be a similar point of
failure in Win9x in similar circumstances. Dunno how Vista handles
that... when you flashed BIOS to fix S3 modes etc. did Vista decide it
wasn't on the same PC anymore, and require (re-)activation?

On Vista waking up all the time; look in CMOS Setup for what hardware
events can awaken the PC and disable the ones you don't want. For
example, a UPS or other device plugged into a serial port may be
mistaken for a modem signalling an incoming call, etc.
No, there is no over clocking.
Guuud.

If it helps, this computer was built with XP, and because I work in a
computer store, I was kinda forced, as well as wanted to update to vista so
that I can learn the ways we have to go about fixing it and how differently
it works so I can give consumer demonstrations and sales. This computer ran
with out hiccups for a full year until I installed vista two months ago. I
mean zero problems.

Cool! I've been building Vista boxen a while too (well, since Jan
2007) and it's been a bit of a learning curve, and frustrating waiting
for Nero and DVD writer vendors to get their act together. I only
build with Intel motherboards these days - it's a motherboard chipset
rather than a processor thing - and SF,SG.


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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

The loss of restore points (shadow copies) can be caused by utilities
running at boot, and before Windows starts. Disk utilities would be the
first thing to check.
Related article.
Shadow copies may be lost when you defragment a volume:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/312067

Wow, that's quite a bug!

We keep hearing how NTFS is Really Cool because it loses less slack
space due to 4k clusters, and here we're advised to force 16k+
clusters where you "plan to defragment volumes that are used for
shadow copies of shared folders".

In effect, it sounds like shadow copy vs. defrag thrashing (and I
don't see how a space blow-out on shadow copy is going to result in an
effectively defragged/optimised file system).

The article doesn't mention whether "previous versions" get tossed as
well... perhaps we need to really get a handle on what things are
running underfoot...
- indexing
- thumbnailers
- shadow copy
- backup preparation
- prefetch logging
- defrag
- av
....and how these interact. On that, see item #1 here:

http://cquirke.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!C7DAB1E724AB8C23!191.entry?_c=BlogPart




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Guest

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) said:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:10:01 -0700, Mason


Did it work in the end? Was this the bundleware Nero 7 Essentials?

Yes, it did work and it currently does. I had to download tons of things
from their website to make it work :-/
AFAIK Vista calls many things my different names, and that may apply
to SR (may be called System Protection now). Also, event logging
(which "Reliability" is rooted in) may refer to such events as Shadow
Copy or something... I've always found those logs to be heavy going,
which is why the Reliability facility is really good!

Ok, in the event log, later came across two volsnap errors event IDs 25 and
27. I wrote about them in a reply to someone underneath this, in this thread.
OK, possibly old enough to have "bad capacitor disease" as well as
gunked heat sink and fan, but you wouldn't have such a clean problem
(all well except SR always deleted) in those cases.

yes that is a true possibility. I've seen a many a problem caused by that,
and very common no doubt. No, the CPU is not gunked, I just had it open a
few minutes ago because I was putting another hd in for backup purposes.
That sort of thing could affect shutdown, too, so fits. If you said
"...and I keep losing settings that I make during a Windows session,
on the next boot, they're gone", I'd suspect that a bit more.

OTOH, elsewhere in this thread I saw something about dual resident av,
which is known to be a Bad Idea. Do you really have two different
resident av installed?

NO! I have a resident av and a resident anti spyware. One is NAV and the
other is AVG anti spy. I know how bad having two AVs can be.
Hm. What mobo is this? What chipset?

GA-8i945pl-g (Gigabyte) With an intel 945 chipset.
CD-ROM sounds more like something else (IKWYM, but it's not ACPI).
AFAIK, ACPI is a hardware standard that defines how BIOS and power
management works with the hardware, and that in turn ties into ATX
power shutdown, suspend, hardware resource allocation etc.

In older NT-based OSs, the initial HAL would be based on a particular
type of hardware setup and could be invalidated if that was later
changed after the fact - much as Vmm32.vxd would be a similar point of
failure in Win9x in similar circumstances. Dunno how Vista handles
that... when you flashed BIOS to fix S3 modes etc. did Vista decide it
wasn't on the same PC anymore, and require (re-)activation?

I have read that it can, but not this time... hm.... And it didn't fix the
s3 mode... I plan to replace the motherboard soon anyway, I am slowly
upgrading the pc along and along to keep it from going out of date. This m/b
only supports 2gb of DR2 ram at 533mhz... That sux.
On Vista waking up all the time; look in CMOS Setup for what hardware
events can awaken the PC and disable the ones you don't want. For
example, a UPS or other device plugged into a serial port may be
mistaken for a modem signalling an incoming call, etc.

There aren't any options. I had already looked, but nothing in there will
help. I was wondering tho if there might be some os changes I can make.
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

Did it work in the end? Was this the bundleware Nero 7 Essentials?
Yes, it did work and it currently does. I had to download tons of things
from their website to make it work :-/[/QUOTE]

Bummer... still, it's good to get a pulse, at last!
later came across two volsnap errors event IDs 25 and 27.

OK, good. Maybe they will know what 25 and 27 mean ;-)
yes that is a true possibility. I've seen a many a problem caused by that,
and very common no doubt.

Yep - see...

http://cquirke.spaces.live.com/photos/cns!C7DAB1E724AB8C23!176/
NO! I have NAV and the other is AVG Anti Spy.

OK, cool.
GA-8i945pl-g (Gigabyte) With an intel 945 chipset.

Should be good... more likely bad caps than chipset issues.
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:40:00 -0700, Mason

Eh? That sounds lame...

Yeah, right. Use the PC less so the OS's underfootware can hog it.

Huh? Shovelling material across volumes is performance hell...

Oh, great. What "critical file" might that be? Don't you (MS) think
users might have a passing interest in dinged critical files? Sheesh!

These errors don't give much to go on... like a medical lab report
that says "some cells were abnormal".

Search( Vista Volsnap event ID 25 ) ... mainly this thread :)

.....oy, lots of odd and interesting stuff, none that looks pertinent!

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-191814.php

"Shadow copies can be created on FAT/FAT32 volumes too.

But you need to have at least one NTFS volume in your
system, in order to use this feature - even if this NTFS
volume is not the one that you want to backup."

Eh?

http://www.computing.net/networking/wwwboard/forum/32042.html

Not Vista, but Server 2003...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/887827

MS /kb on Vista Kernel, Shadow Copy (PgDn):

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/04/vistakernel/default.aspx

3rd-party Vista FAQ:

http://www.activewin.com/faq/longhorn.shtml

Trend vs. VolSnap on Server 2003:

http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?p=3031186

No answers emerge, but it seems as if VolSnap is a fussy beast, doing
more behind the scenes (and probably with more performance impact)
than one expects. What we really need is a technical backgrounder on
exactly what this thing does, when, etc. and it may become desrable to
disable the thing (as one is tempted to do with indexing).

Some file system corruption patterns in some file systrems can make
the system "think" there's no free space, when there is. I wonder if
such a condition is throwing VolSnap for a loop?


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Guest

Same thing I said, "What @#$%ing file?!" I have searched... the only thing I
find on the web or the KB at microsoft is win server 2003.
 

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