W2k to Vista upgrade

[David Hearn]

I'm aware that you have to do a clean install for this 'upgrade' - which
is fine (and preferred!) - however does W2k actually need to be
installed at the start of the upgrade, or can it just use the media?

It's just that I have an old retail W2k media and valid key somewhere,
and wondered whether that could be used, but without having to install
W2k first.

I'm thinking more about future rebuilds of the same machine, than first
time install. I'd hate to have to install W2k first, before being able
to install Vista again.

Thanks

D

 

[Alias]

I'm aware that you have to do a clean install for this 'upgrade' - which
is fine (and preferred!) - however does W2k actually need to be
installed at the start of the upgrade, or can it just use the media?

It's just that I have an old retail W2k media and valid key somewhere,
and wondered whether that could be used, but without having to install
W2k first.

I'm thinking more about future rebuilds of the same machine, than first
time install. I'd hate to have to install W2k first, before being able
to install Vista again.

Thanks

D

It's gotta be installed. This is yet another of MS' "anti piracy"
features and yet another way MS proves that they hold their paying
customers in disdain and assume all of them are thieves.

Alias

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

The best solution is to purchase a "Full Version" of
Windows Vista if you do not desire to install Windows
2000 first.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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| I'm aware that you have to do a clean install for this 'upgrade' - which
| is fine (and preferred!) - however does W2k actually need to be
| installed at the start of the upgrade, or can it just use the media?
|
| It's just that I have an old retail W2k media and valid key somewhere,
| and wondered whether that could be used, but without having to install
| W2k first.
|
| I'm thinking more about future rebuilds of the same machine, than first
| time install. I'd hate to have to install W2k first, before being able
| to install Vista again.
|
| Thanks
|
| D

 

[Saucy]

Doesn't the Vista upgrade installer accept 'verification media' in lieu of
an installed 'previous OS'? Or does one actually have to have the bloody W2K
installed to do an 'upgrade' !?

Thanks

 

[Alias]

Doesn't the Vista upgrade installer accept 'verification media' in lieu of
an installed 'previous OS'?

No.

Or does one actually have to have the bloody W2K

installed to do an 'upgrade' !?

Yes.

This is yet another "anti piracy" feature of Vista. The paying
customer's convenience is not very relevant when you're a de facto
monopoly like Microsoft.

Personally, I will buy one generic OEM copy of Vista Ultimate for my
kid's machine for games but my other two will keep XP and dual boot with
Ubuntu or some other Linux OS.

Alias

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

No. Vista Upgrade Editions do not ask for shiny media as did earlier
releases of Windows. The Upgrade Edition must be run from within Win2k. I
also recommend buying a full edition.

 

[Saucy]

Oh well .. nothing lasts forever, save the eternal.

 

[Saucy]

I suppose it was just too easy to scrounge an old Win95 and install the
'upgrade' clean. I wonder if this move on Microsoft's part will increase
profits i.e. people buy the full versions .. or will decrease profit ..
people forgo retail Vista.

 

[DCR]

Am sure sales of Ultimate will suffer greatly. When you can buy a new computer, with monitor, for
less than the price of the full Ultimate version, most, like me, will be disgusted.

And, like me, those who value their time, will be cursing MS while they install and get running
their old OS just to install any upgrade version of Vista.

And if it is true that Vista upgrades wipe out your old installations, when people find out that
there are no drivers, now or ever, for their recently purchased expensive hardware, there will
indeed be much anger and Vista returns.


|I suppose it was just too easy to scrounge an old Win95 and install the
| 'upgrade' clean. I wonder if this move on Microsoft's part will increase
| profits i.e. people buy the full versions .. or will decrease profit ..
| people forgo retail Vista.
|
| Alias wrote:
| >> Saucy wrote:
| >>> Doesn't the Vista upgrade installer accept 'verification media' in
| >>> lieu of an installed 'previous OS'?
| >>
| >> No.
| >>
| >> Or does one actually have to have the bloody W2K
| >>> installed to do an 'upgrade' !?
| >>
| >> Yes.
| >>
| >> This is yet another "anti piracy" feature of Vista. The paying
| >> customer's convenience is not very relevant when you're a de facto
| >> monopoly like Microsoft.
| >>
| >> Personally, I will buy one generic OEM copy of Vista Ultimate for my
| >> kid's machine for games but my other two will keep XP and dual boot
| >> with Ubuntu or some other Linux OS.
| >>
| >> Alias
| >>>
| >>> Thanks
| >>>
| >>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
| >>>>> The best solution is to purchase a "Full Version" of
| >>>>> Windows Vista if you do not desire to install Windows
| >>>>> 2000 first.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> --
| >>>>> Carey Frisch
| >>>>> Microsoft MVP
| >>>>> Windows Shell/User
| >>>>>
| >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| >>>>>
| >>>>> "David Hearn" wrote:
| >>>>>
| >>>>>> I'm aware that you have to do a clean install for this 'upgrade'
| >>>>>> - which is fine (and preferred!) - however does W2k actually
| >>>>>> need to be installed at the start of the upgrade, or can it just
| >>>>>> use the media?
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> It's just that I have an old retail W2k media and valid key
| >>>>>> somewhere, and wondered whether that could be used, but without
| >>>>>> having to install W2k first.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> I'm thinking more about future rebuilds of the same machine, than
| >>>>>> first time install. I'd hate to have to install W2k first,
| >>>>>> before being able to install Vista again.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Thanks
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> D
|
|

 

[Mike]

Am sure sales of Ultimate will suffer greatly. When you can buy a new
computer, with monitor, for
less than the price of the full Ultimate version, most, like me, will be
disgusted.

Most people don't need ultimate. It's the equivalent of XP Pro, XP Media
Center and XP Tablet. Do you need all of that? That's why it's so
expensive. Home Basic is enough for many, Home Premium is enough for most.

And if it is true that Vista upgrades wipe out your old installations,
when people find out that
there are no drivers, now or ever, for their recently purchased expensive
hardware, there will
indeed be much anger and Vista returns.

Sure, just like all those returns of XP because there were "no drivers now
or ever"!

Mike

 

[DCR]

Well, I was able to keep my Win2000 installation up and running (legit or not--long gone now--2
licenses of Win2000 --one full, one upgrade --3 licenses of XP --2 full, 1 upgrade) when I installed
XP until XP drivers were available and I felt I could justify the cost of upgrading my essential
Win2000 hardware.

| Sure, just like all those returns of XP because there were "no drivers now
| or ever"!
|
| Mike
|

 

[Roy Coorne]

Am sure sales of Ultimate will suffer greatly. When you can buy a new computer, with monitor, for
less than the price of the full Ultimate version, most, like me, will be disgusted.
...

You will certainly be better off buying a new computer with Vista
pre-installed with all necessary drivers - next Spring, at a
reasonable OEM price!


Roy

 

[Saucy]

I doubt people will be returning thier copies to any great degree. But it is
a bit of a loss to have the capablity removed to clean install an upgrade
copy with Vista.

Vista drivers will be more available as we swing into the new year.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

You can clean install with an Upgrade Edition even though you start Setup
from the desktop. In fact with Win2k you have to. The upgrade option will
be greyed out.

 

[John Barnes]

Has Darrell changed his post that the clean install had to be to another
volume?

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I haven't seen anything but one reply that he was still waiting for
clarification.

If that were true, though, how would you ever be able to upgrade from W2K or
XP x64 to Vista on a single hard drive system?

 

[Brian W]

I haven't seen anything but one reply that he was still waiting for
clarification.

If that were true, though, how would you ever be able to upgrade from W2K
or XP x64 to Vista on a single hard drive system?

Or for that matter, comply with the EULA? As the upgraded OS (ie 2000 or XP)
licence becomes part of the Vista licence and is therefore invalidated, MS
won't allow the old OS to run on the same system that Vista is installed on.

 

[David Hearn]

The best solution is to purchase a "Full Version" of
Windows Vista if you do not desire to install Windows
2000 first.

Thanks for the info - as it turns out, on Saturday I won a MSDN Team
Suite with MSDN Premium subscription, so means I put Vista on my dev
box. Saves having to do any upgrades now.

*is a happy bunny*

D

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Of course.

Or for that matter, comply with the EULA? As the upgraded OS (ie 2000 or
XP) licence becomes part of the Vista licence and is therefore
invalidated, MS won't allow the old OS to run on the same system that
Vista is installed on.

 

[John Barnes]

You would need two volumes (partitions). His original post in answer to my
question gave specifics, including if there were a separate boot partition.