Vista's IE7 leaves out data?

[Paul H]

I use IE7 on my XP Pro laptop, and of course, on my Vista Home Premium.
When I use www.Alaskaair.com on XP, I immediately get a screen that offers
to make a reservation. On Vista, I just get a few lines of titles. How can
I trust Vista? What else does it leave out?

 

[Richard Urban]

http://www.alaskaair.com/www2/help/site/browsers.asp

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Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

 

[Richard Urban]

I can't say much for the people who created their web page.

I tried to access the web page under IE6 (loads fine), Firefox (partially
loads) and IE7 (partially loads).

It looks like they have some work to do.

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Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

 

[RobDee]

I use IE7 on my XP Pro laptop, and of course, on my Vista Home Premium.
When I use www.Alaskaair.com on XP, I immediately get a screen that offers
to make a reservation. On Vista, I just get a few lines of titles. How
can
I trust Vista? What else does it leave out?

Are you seeing the Horny Hostess of the Month pop up?

 

[Robert Moir]

I use IE7 on my XP Pro laptop, and of course, on my Vista Home Premium.
When I use www.Alaskaair.com on XP, I immediately get a screen that offers
to make a reservation. On Vista, I just get a few lines of titles. How
can
I trust Vista? What else does it leave out?

So you've established that this isn't Alaska Air failing to update their
website for IE7 then?

 

[Paul H]

None of these responses acknowledge the difference I see between XP and
Vista. Both using IE7. Should Alaska be doing something different in their
web site creation that only Vista needs?

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I can't say much for the people who created their web page.

I tried to access the web page under IE6 (loads fine), Firefox (partially
loads) and IE7 (partially loads).

It looks like they have some work to do.

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Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

 

[Don Varnau]

Hi,
I see the same page with IE6, IE7 (XP) and IE7 (Vista.) Try clearing the
Temporary Internet Files in IE7 (Vista.) Are you running a security,
antispyware, ad-blocking program on Vista that you're not running on XP?
Does IE7 on Vista display the site properly if browser add-ons are disabled?
See: http://www.enhanceie.com/ie/troubleshoot.asp
for troubleshooting information.

Hope this helps,
Don
[MS MVP- IE]

 

[Guest]

Urban is dodging the issue here. IE7 DOES load www.alaskaair.com in XP,but
won't in Vista, not like his vague statement that IE7 partially loads. What
did you partially load it in Urban, XP or Vista? All you MVPs(major virtual
p****) are on the defensive about the slightest complaint about shoddy crap
from microsoft.
Thanks for pointing this out Paul.

Mick Murphy in Australia(QLD)

 

[Guest]

Why are so many people willing to blame Bill Gates, Microsoft or Vista when
their new Vista operating systems don't perform the same tasks, in the same
order and using the same methods as used for XP? I don't understand this
reasoning. The issues usually involve configurations, conflicts and
permissions. Some issues concern security while others do not. When I have a
problem with my computer hardware and/or software I automatically assume that
I have done something to cause or contribute to the problem, or I have failed
to do something I should have done. This turns out to be the case the
majority of times. Before you trashtalk the operating system or browser you
should go to a search engine and type a question or statement related to your
problem. Surprise! You will find an answer to your problem. Some of these
answers come from various forums. It is much easier for you to type your
query into the search bar than to go to a forum and expect other people to do
your investigative work for you. A little intuition and foresight will go a
long way. In addition, by personally seeking a solution to your problem you
will be educating yourself through your own efforts, not the efforts of
others. I don't usually post a question in any forums, but I read them every
day in order to harvest the available knowledge from those capable of giving
it. Believe me, it will not take long to determine which contributors have
the knowledge and which ones do not. Hold on. OH MY GOD!!! I just typed
www.alaskaair.com into my address bar and it took me to a reservation page.
With all due respect, Paul H, don't always assume that the problem is caused
by the operating system or the browser. There will always be bugs,
inconsistencies and conflicts with any operating system, other software or
hardware. Technology is complicated. Instead of badmouthing a software or
hardware vendor when something does not work correctly or as advertised I
usually give them the credit and respect they deserve for just getting it to
work in the first place. Then I look for a solution. I offer three words
that will elimate a lot of your problems: research, compatibility and
security. I also offer these words that will contribute to software problems:
free downloads, clicking on links without knowing the true address of the
link and the openining of unsolicited and/or unknown attachments.

 

[Robert Moir]

Urban is dodging the issue here. IE7 DOES load www.alaskaair.com in XP,but
won't in Vista, not like his vague statement that IE7 partially loads.
What
did you partially load it in Urban, XP or Vista? All you MVPs(major
virtual
p****) are on the defensive about the slightest complaint about shoddy
crap
from microsoft.
Thanks for pointing this out Paul.

Well I'm not a MVP, not any more anyway, and I've just loaded the site and
made quite a lot of progress in IE7 on Vista. At which point is it supposed
to break exactly? I got as far as having a flight picked out and picked the
actual seats from a map before I got bored.

I can see a lot of ugly stuff going on in things like the date picker which
clearly shows the site isn't properly designed for IE7 (there's a long story
behind why this is important, which I won't bore everyone with here) but it
appears to work.

There's a lot you *can* blame Microsoft for. Like Vista iself : "We waited
FIVE years for THIS?" is still how I feel about that, but going back to the
problem in hand I haven't seen any evidence that IE is "leaving out stuff".
At the moment I can't even see what the problem is that you and Paul are
complaining about. I'm running Firefox 2.whatever and IE 7.0 on Vista
Ultimate, and the site seems usable either way. Not perfect but quite
usable.

Perhaps a little less time making up cute nicknames for the MVPs (and yes
there are some good and some bad out there I know) and a little more time
actually dealing with the facts of the problem in hand and you never know,
the original poster might actually get a solution one day. But I suppose
making up cute names for people who don't agree with you IS easier and more
fun.

 

[Richard Urban]

Perhaps you can explain why the exact same web pages loads three different
ways under three different browsers, using both Windows XP and Vista.

Blame it on Vista that Firefox shows it as being different than IE7 when
booted into Windows XP, and that they both are different than that displayed
with IE7 under Vista.

You don't have a clue as to why this is happening. Neither do I. I am not a
programmer. But, if the page was coded correctly **IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN**.

99% of the pages I visit have no problems at all, under any browser.

Some things you can blame on Vista. Some you can't. Live with it.

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Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

 

[Paul H]

Wow! I'm just complaining because none of my past upgrades of Windows (95,
98, ME, XP) made me try to be a technetium to make things work - they just
worked. Now I purchase a new laptop that came with Vista Home Premium, so I
don't want to go back to XP Pro, but use what it came with. Bill's guys
said it was easier - more intuitive, etc. Now I can't get things done.
Must I pay someone to make my computer work? Can the "Geeks" fix flaws in
Mail and IE7?


Why are so many people willing to blame Bill Gates, Microsoft or Vista when
their new Vista operating systems don't perform the same tasks, in the same
order and using the same methods as used for XP? I don't understand this
reasoning. The issues usually involve configurations, conflicts and
permissions. Some issues concern security while others do not. When I have a
problem with my computer hardware and/or software I automatically assume
that
I have done something to cause or contribute to the problem, or I have
failed
to do something I should have done. This turns out to be the case the
majority of times. Before you trashtalk the operating system or browser you
should go to a search engine and type a question or statement related to
your
problem. Surprise! You will find an answer to your problem. Some of these
answers come from various forums. It is much easier for you to type your
query into the search bar than to go to a forum and expect other people to
do
your investigative work for you. A little intuition and foresight will go a
long way. In addition, by personally seeking a solution to your problem you
will be educating yourself through your own efforts, not the efforts of
others. I don't usually post a question in any forums, but I read them every
day in order to harvest the available knowledge from those capable of giving
it. Believe me, it will not take long to determine which contributors have
the knowledge and which ones do not. Hold on. OH MY GOD!!! I just typed
www.alaskaair.com into my address bar and it took me to a reservation page.
With all due respect, Paul H, don't always assume that the problem is caused
by the operating system or the browser. There will always be bugs,
inconsistencies and conflicts with any operating system, other software or
hardware. Technology is complicated. Instead of badmouthing a software or
hardware vendor when something does not work correctly or as advertised I
usually give them the credit and respect they deserve for just getting it to
work in the first place. Then I look for a solution. I offer three words
that will elimate a lot of your problems: research, compatibility and
security. I also offer these words that will contribute to software
problems:
free downloads, clicking on links without knowing the true address of the
link and the openining of unsolicited and/or unknown attachments.

 

[Guest]

Urban is the one making the mistakes about the qualities of IE7. this was not
my issue until I read Urban's post, and checked out the complaint. And found
out that the complaintant was correct in his assessment of the problem; Urban
was not!

Mick Murphy in Australia)QLD)

 

[Richard Urban]

And the O/P did say that the page finally loaded. So, I guess it is either
his ISP's internet connection or the web page errors that make it load so
slow. Seeing as how it happens here also I stand by my statement that the
web site is not coded correctly. Other pages do not have that problem.

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Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

 

[Paul H]

But, my XP Pro IE7 is consistently instant, so does that not rule out my
internet connection? Someone should tell Alaska Air's IT department that
they need special changes for Vista? Has every other web site made these
changes? Will I continue to suffer random 20 minute delays until every one
of them makes the required change? I would think that is Vista's obligation
to either run as previous versions did or complain to the user (me) that it
has encountered inappropriate code, and is going to take 20 minutes to
figure out how to execute it.


And the O/P did say that the page finally loaded. So, I guess it is either
his ISP's internet connection or the web page errors that make it load so
slow. Seeing as how it happens here also I stand by my statement that the
web site is not coded correctly. Other pages do not have that problem.

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Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

 

[Richard Urban]

It is not your ISP. But it could be firewall settings or anti spyware
settings etc.

If a web master does not construct his pages to accepted standards, of makes
an outright error that he is not aware of, the page may not load under the
new IE7 under Vista (or possibly any browser). This was publicized quite a
while ago. A good web master will test his pages under all available
browsers. Heck, he only had about 5 years to get their page up to speed.

I have found about 20 websites that I could not use under Vista because of
the same problems. Thankfully, they were just accessed in passing through.
Now if I come across one (I haven't in about 6 weeks) I just start up
Firefox and use that.

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Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:56:01 -0700, Mick

Urban is dodging the issue here. IE7 DOES load www.alaskaair.com in XP,but
won't in Vista, not like his vague statement that IE7 partially loads.

How do you know what mileage he gets?

What did you partially load it in Urban, XP or Vista?

If you want to pin this down to Vista vs. XP, then you'd need more
than 1 arbitrary PC with Vista and 1 arbitrary PC with XP to do that.

So the first thing to do is ask for repro (which you've done) and also
to test various states to see what causes the difference:

A = IE7 on XP
B = IE7 in "safe mode" on XP
C = IE7 on Vista
D = IE7 on Vista, not in Protected Mode
E = IE7 in "safe mode" on Vista
F = IE7 in "safe mode" on Vista, not in Protected Mode

If A, B = OK and C, D, E, F = Fail, then it's either Vista per se or
it's something else that bends the Vista box (commercial malware,
defenses, HOSTS file, web proxy, stale cache, ISP, whatever).

If E = OK and C = Fail, then the Vista PC has some add-in that's
causing the issue, as this is suppressed in IE7's "Safe Mode" (look
for the relevant icon in Vista's Accessories)

If D = OK and C = Fail, then it's something related to Vista's
Protected Mode for IE7, which in turn is linked to UAC, and the next Q
is: Is UAC disabled on that PC, and do results vary depending on
whether UAC is dsiabled or enabled?

IE7 Safe Mode is common to XP and Vista, whereas Protected Mode is
present only in Vista. If this is a true Vista vs. XP issue, then I'd
be 75% sure it will relate to this feature.

BTW: Leave out the flamage, please. It doesn't piss me off for being
rude and directed against me as an MVP, so much as piss me off by
adding no value to an interesting thread, and - more to the point -
drifting the thread away from the interesting tech to the far less
interesting human noise. Thanks!

Tagline refers. In this case, you're trying to increase demand
(because you want ppl to read your thread and give useful replies), so
rudeness is a counter-productive tool ;-)

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Rudeness is human nature's way of curbing demand

 

[Joe Guidera]

Not for nuttin I have problems loading that site in IE7 on Vista.
However, I don't think this is a Vista issue, rather more to do with that
particular site (and the way it's coded) and IE7 (which is a lot stricter in
terms of the standards).

J