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Alias~-
it will be the beginning of the end for Microsoft.
Alias
it will be the beginning of the end for Microsoft.
Alias
G
Guest
I dont see why Linux will become irrelavent.
Its still far more secure than Windows, as is Mac OS X.
All computer users realise that Windows is the least secure operating system
around. For example, there were 114,000 known viruses for PC's last year,
compared to under 1000 for Mac OS and Linux OSes.
Business still favour Linux over Windows in terms of server OSes, and I
think they still will, because Linux can run on low-end machines, whereas
power-hungry Vista demands lots of RAM and a decent processor, so that it can
run all the rubbish apps that Microsoft have crammed into it.
Its still far more secure than Windows, as is Mac OS X.
All computer users realise that Windows is the least secure operating system
around. For example, there were 114,000 known viruses for PC's last year,
compared to under 1000 for Mac OS and Linux OSes.
Business still favour Linux over Windows in terms of server OSes, and I
think they still will, because Linux can run on low-end machines, whereas
power-hungry Vista demands lots of RAM and a decent processor, so that it can
run all the rubbish apps that Microsoft have crammed into it.
G
Guest
Couldnt agree more with Alias.
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OK
Yes, Windows can do that, XP for example, without any trouble, and
while playing a DVD full screen from a second DVD drive and five or 6
AVIs in their own class media player window, all at the same time, but
who gives a f#ck?
Problem is: 96% of the world computer users run Windows, vs. 0.4%
Linux.
Keep playing with your live CDs...
P
Peter Hayes
In said:
Diversity = survival.
When 97% of desktops go down through a massive exploit event, the other
3% who have diversified onto Linux or OS X will consider the expense
worth every penny.
P
Peter Hayes
In said:
The base version should be, if only to recompense the community for the
billions lost through Microsoft's inadequate approach to security over
the past 15 years or so.
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Gordon
altheim said:
Umm no, that's NOT how it works. The major retailers are threatened with a
HUGE increase (and it's in the order of many 100's %) in the cost of their
windows licences if they DARE to sell any machines with either a competing
OS or no OS at all
So how, which I presume is your implication, do Linux boxes "not work" when
they are switched on?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! When did you last try a distro? 1997? Modern distros are AS
easy to use and in some cases EASIER to use than Windows. I had to jump
through less hoops for example, in setting up my tcp/ip printer in
PCLinuxOS and Kubuntu than I do in Windows XP! Much EASIER. Do you read
that? EASIER IN LINUX THAN XP
Absolute PIFFLE. Do you read the Windows XP newsgroups on the MS News
server? Obviously not.
Ever heard of lock-in?
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Alias~-
Gordon said:
And people say that Windows isn't a monopoly ...
Alias
B
ByTor
<snip useless rant>
Actually in all reality you can thank MS for the growing popularity of
Linux and the open source community.........Vista will just make it all
the more urgency.......
One click all in wonder MS OS's that do everything of general concerns
should not be an area that MS explores(security, popups, spyware,
firewalls, CD burning, etc).....Leave that up to the real software
people......
J
Jim
Erik Funkenbusch came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard a
moment ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
I'm starting to see more and more people who want to jump the M$ ship ASAP,
not least because of WGA and WPA. They want anythung *but* Microsoft, even
if it means forking out for a Mac - they don't care, they just sick to the
eyeteeth of the ongoing maintenance costs of their Windows boxen.
Fortunately for me, the hard work of trying to convince them of a viable
alternative is already done by their own experiences, and that's when I
step in and offer to help them get started with Linux.
Now, here's scary:
Last night, I had the misfortune of having to reinstall an XP laptop using a
set of recovery discs for a friend. The restore went well, then came the
moment of truth - network connection to grab AV and updates.
AV went on.
Before the AV had pulled its updates, the system was compromised - from
behind a NAT firewall! AVG went totally NUTS. My friend saw the whole thing
and was horrified.
The laptop now has SuSE on it (he's been tinkering around on a temporary
account on one of my Dells and says he likes it, tho he was a little
surprised to find no antivirus, no defragmenter, no anti-spyware... so...)
We'll see how he gets on with that.
--
-*- Linux: Because restarts are for upgrades.
-*- Some people are like Slinkies; they serve no specific purpose,
but they bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
-*- Linux Desktops & Clustering Solutions -*- http://dotware.co.uk
-*- Registered Linux user #426308 -*- http://counter.li.org
-*- Microsoft XP is like a box of chocolates. You never know when the steel
bolts are going to spring out and plunge straight through both cheeks...
-*- We now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcast.
-*- Contemplating Knife -*- Which end do the bullets go in again?
-*- I can't wait to get to heaven and meet seventy virgins - I've yet to
meet *one* on *Earth*!
-*- For sale: one (1) Fender Phantom air guitar. £500 ONO
-*- For sale: one (1) Italian WWII bolt-action rifle. .303cal, never fired,
only dropped once. Offers.
-*- Hit every key to continue.
-*- "What sort of candle is this?" "Dee-nah-meetay. Must be Italian."
-*- That's it. No more coffee for *that* man!
moment ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
I'm starting to see more and more people who want to jump the M$ ship ASAP,
not least because of WGA and WPA. They want anythung *but* Microsoft, even
if it means forking out for a Mac - they don't care, they just sick to the
eyeteeth of the ongoing maintenance costs of their Windows boxen.
Fortunately for me, the hard work of trying to convince them of a viable
alternative is already done by their own experiences, and that's when I
step in and offer to help them get started with Linux.
Now, here's scary:
Last night, I had the misfortune of having to reinstall an XP laptop using a
set of recovery discs for a friend. The restore went well, then came the
moment of truth - network connection to grab AV and updates.
AV went on.
Before the AV had pulled its updates, the system was compromised - from
behind a NAT firewall! AVG went totally NUTS. My friend saw the whole thing
and was horrified.
The laptop now has SuSE on it (he's been tinkering around on a temporary
account on one of my Dells and says he likes it, tho he was a little
surprised to find no antivirus, no defragmenter, no anti-spyware... so...)
We'll see how he gets on with that.
--
-*- Linux: Because restarts are for upgrades.
-*- Some people are like Slinkies; they serve no specific purpose,
but they bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
-*- Linux Desktops & Clustering Solutions -*- http://dotware.co.uk
-*- Registered Linux user #426308 -*- http://counter.li.org
-*- Microsoft XP is like a box of chocolates. You never know when the steel
bolts are going to spring out and plunge straight through both cheeks...
-*- We now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcast.
-*- Contemplating Knife -*- Which end do the bullets go in again?
-*- I can't wait to get to heaven and meet seventy virgins - I've yet to
meet *one* on *Earth*!
-*- For sale: one (1) Fender Phantom air guitar. £500 ONO
-*- For sale: one (1) Italian WWII bolt-action rifle. .303cal, never fired,
only dropped once. Offers.
-*- Hit every key to continue.
-*- "What sort of candle is this?" "Dee-nah-meetay. Must be Italian."
-*- That's it. No more coffee for *that* man!
L
Leythos
But you can't run GuildWars or FarCry or Pharmacy Software, or Many
Medical Applications, or SQL Server or Exchange server....
L
Leythos
With more than 2000 seats under our management, I'm not even considering
switching to Vista until it's been on the store shelves for at least 6
months, and then it will only be for machines/users that can
specifically benefit from it.
T
Tattoo Vampire
Horse shit.
A
altheim
Peter Hayes said:
Well I've tried it and I don't. For one thing, as I wrote elsewhere,
it's hard work and it's scary because I know that I am completely
on my own. There was also not a lot of stuff written for Linux at
the time. I am not altogether convinced that that has changed.
I was impressed by its stability. In that respect it was as good
as I had heard. But what else does it have to tempt users away
from the devil they know?
As for diversity==survival - if programmers have to write for
multiple platforms a single app, including its maintenance,
can get very expensive - not to mention messy. Between you
and me, and the privacy of these little ngs, I wouldn't mind if
the world plumped for Linux to the total exclusion of Windows
and other OSes so long as there ultimately remains just the
one. But you and I know that is not going to happen so we
might as well all switch to Windows and enjoy the benefits
of standardisation.
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flatfish+++
This is an excellent post Erik!
Very well put!
Support costs are astronomical and companies like Dell etc have a
reputation to uphold.
Let's say they offered Linux as a dual boot option and stated up front
that no support will be offered.
What would happen?
Stupid consumers would be flooding the phone lines with Linux questions
and in the end Dell would suffer a hit because people are going to blame
Dell instead of their own ignorance.
My own personal belief is that shrinkwrap sales of Vista are going to be
poor at first until enough pre-loads get into the marketplace.
I also suspect that business's are not going to be jumping to Vista either.
Look how many are still running Windows2000.
As for the fickle nature of Linux, take a look at how quickly Novell drops
support for older versions of Linux.
That is definitely not encouraging to a manufacturer or business
considering installing Linux.
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flatfish+++
This is the core reasons why people don't switch to Linux and why
manufacturers are afraid to pre-load Linux.
After all Linux is free so that's more profit for the manufacturer but at
what expense and aggravation.
That's the question.
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Hadron Quark
You can explain this til you're blue in the face. But zealots will stick
their head in the sand, waggle their asses and fart "It's called choice
you windiot" back at you. They do not live in the real world or have any
idea of the complexity and cost of a dedicated support organization.
Yup. If you listen to Roy's lies he uses a different distro every
day. At least Peter Köhlmann's wife has the right idea : she sticks with
XP on her laptop. Poor Greg's wife had him sneaking Linux onto hers
while she wasn't looking :-;
Or "Christian Ubuntu". Praise de ludd. Yussir.
Never mind which Window Manager to use.
The COLA gang seem to think they all work the same. According to Rick,
one never needs to go to the command line. Sure you don't. Even a brief
glance at Linux support forums show a plethora of distro specific
approaches to solve common issues across the different distros. It is
strangling Linux at birth.
The gang dont let you use the term "Market share" since its for
free. *rolls eyes*. Mind you they dont like any numbers which paint
their ridiculous claim pink and sticks a feather up its ass.
If they were to open their eyes they would see how few desktop users use
Linux, and how more proactive advocacy might help : as opposed to
denying all issues and calling people with Linux issues "retards".
Agreed : reasonably put and bang on the button.
Or they could do what ATI has done : cut off all support requests for
Linux and refer people to the Linux forums. It cost them at least one
customer : me.
I dont know anyone planning to buy it. Why? Because XP just works.
Hardly surprising when you consider what a state of flux Linux is in.
I have to recompile my bloody video driver in an xterm when Ubuntu
release a new kernel update. Ridiculous.
Agreed.
their head in the sand, waggle their asses and fart "It's called choice
you windiot" back at you. They do not live in the real world or have any
idea of the complexity and cost of a dedicated support organization.
Yup. If you listen to Roy's lies he uses a different distro every
day. At least Peter Köhlmann's wife has the right idea : she sticks with
XP on her laptop. Poor Greg's wife had him sneaking Linux onto hers
while she wasn't looking :-;
Or "Christian Ubuntu". Praise de ludd. Yussir.
Never mind which Window Manager to use.
The COLA gang seem to think they all work the same. According to Rick,
one never needs to go to the command line. Sure you don't. Even a brief
glance at Linux support forums show a plethora of distro specific
approaches to solve common issues across the different distros. It is
strangling Linux at birth.
The gang dont let you use the term "Market share" since its for
free. *rolls eyes*. Mind you they dont like any numbers which paint
their ridiculous claim pink and sticks a feather up its ass.
If they were to open their eyes they would see how few desktop users use
Linux, and how more proactive advocacy might help : as opposed to
denying all issues and calling people with Linux issues "retards".
Agreed : reasonably put and bang on the button.
Or they could do what ATI has done : cut off all support requests for
Linux and refer people to the Linux forums. It cost them at least one
customer : me.
I dont know anyone planning to buy it. Why? Because XP just works.
Hardly surprising when you consider what a state of flux Linux is in.
I have to recompile my bloody video driver in an xterm when Ubuntu
release a new kernel update. Ridiculous.
Agreed.
H
Hadron Quark
Jim said:
Funny thing is, I dont know anyone who is unhappy with XP. It works for
them. Funny how the COLA zealots all have friends who are "jumping ship".
I dont know anyone who even knows that those things are!
What maintenance costs?
Do you explain how all their legacy SW will not work? How they wont be
able to play games? How they will have to break the law to download decoders?
Sure it was. Sound like you ****ed up Jim.
really? The ubuntu repositories have all those things.
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Erik Funkenbusch
That depends on how you define it. Certain, there are lots of people
unhappy with the current state of security with Windows. They may not be
unhappy with XP per se, but they're unhappy with spyware, viruses, and
other malware.
On the flip side, they're typically happy with their applications, and
their games, and pretty much everything else.
I think people would rather put up with some frustration if it meas they
are using the software they want to, rather than use softwere they don't
want to not be frustrated (at least with security issues).
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OK
hahahahahahaha
Good one!
For my part, I see hordes of OSS programmers committing sucide (or at
least throwing the towel in a mix of desperation, anger and disgust),
realizing how many major things they suddeny have to catch up with,
and how negligible was the impact of past efforts.
On the other hand users, especially laptop users, will just absolutely
*love* things like Vista's ReadyBoost and ReadyDrive, features very
unlikely to ever appear on Linux.
Vista will blow all past records of deployment rate, get ready for the
unbelieveable.