Vista Will Exterminate Desktop Linux Once And For All.

[cymon.says]

When Vista hits the streets Linux on the desktop will become a
has-been. The truth is that Linux has had 15 years of Microsoft's
blunders to gain the confidence of enough destkop users to make some
kind of impact on the desktop and it has failed to do so.

Microsoft Vista is generating excitement amongst the Windows users,
which account for approximately 95 percent of the desktop users.
PC Magazine, PCWorld and all the other main stream magazines devoted to
PC computing are filled with articles concerning Vista.

http://www.pcworld.com/
http://www.pcmag.com/


The excitement is building and when Vista hits the streets, it will be
the final nail in the Linux coffin because if Linux hasn't managed to
gain any appreciable market share over Windows in the last 15 years and
especially in the last 4 years or so since Microsoft has released a new
version of Windows, Linux will never do it.

Linux is free and that's about the best that can be said for Linux.
So how is it that a free operating system that has a lot of application
programs included isn't generating excitement?
Free usually means a great interest, except when it pertains to Linux.
Why are people willing to fork over $200 for XP or Vista when Linux is
free?

The obvious answer is that Linux sucks.
Think about it.
People are just not interested in Linux.
Then think about Linux going down the proverbial drain just like OS/2
and BEOS have done.

Long live DOS!
Long live Linux!
Hurrah!

In a couple of months, Linux will become irrelevant.

 

[genedefcon2000]

Will Vista ever be free?

 

[Kerry Brown]

When Vista hits the streets Linux on the desktop will become a
has-been. The truth is that Linux has had 15 years of Microsoft's
blunders to gain the confidence of enough destkop users to make some
kind of impact on the desktop and it has failed to do so.

Microsoft Vista is generating excitement amongst the Windows users,
which account for approximately 95 percent of the desktop users.
PC Magazine, PCWorld and all the other main stream magazines devoted
to PC computing are filled with articles concerning Vista.

http://www.pcworld.com/
http://www.pcmag.com/


The excitement is building and when Vista hits the streets, it will be
the final nail in the Linux coffin because if Linux hasn't managed to
gain any appreciable market share over Windows in the last 15 years
and especially in the last 4 years or so since Microsoft has released
a new version of Windows, Linux will never do it.

Linux is free and that's about the best that can be said for Linux.
So how is it that a free operating system that has a lot of
application programs included isn't generating excitement?
Free usually means a great interest, except when it pertains to Linux.
Why are people willing to fork over $200 for XP or Vista when Linux is
free?

The obvious answer is that Linux sucks.
Think about it.
People are just not interested in Linux.
Then think about Linux going down the proverbial drain just like OS/2
and BEOS have done.

Long live DOS!
Long live Linux!
Hurrah!

In a couple of months, Linux will become irrelevant.

I use Vista every day, as well as Linux, Windows XP and various Windows
Server 2003 editions. My preferred OS for the desktop is Vista. Given all
that I have to say you are an idiot. I doubt very much that Vista will have
any impact on Linux for the desktop. Most Linux zealots wouldn't use a
Microsoft OS if it was free and twice as good as Linux. It sounds like
you're skewed the other way.

 

[genedefcon2000]

Linux will never be dead until Windows Server's pull their act together. I
always opt for Linux servers when I get my web hosting. Windows Servers are
just too un reliable.

 

[flatfish+++]

Linux will never be dead until Windows Server's pull their act together. I
always opt for Linux servers when I get my web hosting. Windows Servers are
just too un reliable.

I guess you missed the part about desktop in the subject line.

 

[LittleMoo]

When Vista hits the streets Linux on the desktop will become a
has-been. The truth is that Linux has had 15 years of Microsoft's
blunders to gain the confidence of enough destkop users to make some
kind of impact on the desktop and it has failed to do so.

Linux won't become a has-been until Microsoft becomes a has-been. They both
have their loyal user bases.

Microsoft Vista is generating excitement amongst the Windows users,
which account for approximately 95 percent of the desktop users.
PC Magazine, PCWorld and all the other main stream magazines devoted to
PC computing are filled with articles concerning Vista.

The only reason that 95% of desktop users use Windows is because Microsoft
strikes deals with most of the major computer retailers so that every PC
shipped out the doors contains Windows. The end result? Most people end up
with Windows and learn to live with it.

The excitement is building and when Vista hits the streets, it will be
the final nail in the Linux coffin because if Linux hasn't managed to
gain any appreciable market share over Windows in the last 15 years and
especially in the last 4 years or so since Microsoft has released a new
version of Windows, Linux will never do it.

Linux might not have "appreciable market share over Windows in the last 15
years," but the amount of people using Linux continues to steadily rise.

Linux is free and that's about the best that can be said for Linux.
So how is it that a free operating system that has a lot of application
programs included isn't generating excitement?
Free usually means a great interest, except when it pertains to Linux.
Why are people willing to fork over $200 for XP or Vista when Linux is
free?

The only reason that Linux doesn't generate as much excitement as Windows is
because of one word: Games. Windows has essentially become a gaming/internet
machine, that's why it has won the hearts of so many people. Glitz and glam.

The obvious answer is that Linux sucks.
Think about it.
People are just not interested in Linux.
Then think about Linux going down the proverbial drain just like OS/2
and BEOS have done.

I'm interested in Linux.

Long live DOS!
Long live Linux!
Hurrah!

In a couple of months, Linux will become irrelevant.

This is completely unfounded. You think that because Vista is coming out
then all of the Linux users are going to migrate? Just think about even one
aspect of this - one web hosting company that uses Linux servers - you know
how much it would cost them just to buy the licenses? What about the cost of
upgrading their hardware in the Linux boxes to meet the requirements of
Vista? And that's just a few.

So unless people stop developing Linux I'll just continue to use my
dual-boot Windows/Kubuntu machine.

-Dan

 

[ray]

When Vista hits the streets Linux on the desktop will become a
has-been. The truth is that Linux has had 15 years of Microsoft's
blunders to gain the confidence of enough destkop users to make some
kind of impact on the desktop and it has failed to do so.

Microsoft Vista is generating excitement amongst the Windows users,
which account for approximately 95 percent of the desktop users.
PC Magazine, PCWorld and all the other main stream magazines devoted to
PC computing are filled with articles concerning Vista.

http://www.pcworld.com/
http://www.pcmag.com/


The excitement is building and when Vista hits the streets, it will be
the final nail in the Linux coffin because if Linux hasn't managed to
gain any appreciable market share over Windows in the last 15 years and
especially in the last 4 years or so since Microsoft has released a new
version of Windows, Linux will never do it.

Linux is free and that's about the best that can be said for Linux.
So how is it that a free operating system that has a lot of application
programs included isn't generating excitement?
Free usually means a great interest, except when it pertains to Linux.
Why are people willing to fork over $200 for XP or Vista when Linux is
free?

The obvious answer is that Linux sucks.
Think about it.
People are just not interested in Linux.
Then think about Linux going down the proverbial drain just like OS/2
and BEOS have done.

Long live DOS!
Long live Linux!
Hurrah!

In a couple of months, Linux will become irrelevant.

If that were likely, you would not have to advertise it. I think the
skyrocketing prices of MS will tend to sink their ship - even if it were
noticeably better than what they have now, which I'm not convinced it is.

 

[longman]

When Vista hits the streets Linux on the desktop will become a
has-been. The truth is that Linux has had 15 years of Microsoft's
blunders to gain the confidence of enough destkop users to make some
kind of impact on the desktop and it has failed to do so.

Microsoft Vista is generating excitement amongst the Windows users,
which account for approximately 95 percent of the desktop users.
PC Magazine, PCWorld and all the other main stream magazines devoted to
PC computing are filled with articles concerning Vista.

http://www.pcworld.com/
http://www.pcmag.com/


The excitement is building and when Vista hits the streets, it will be
the final nail in the Linux coffin because if Linux hasn't managed to
gain any appreciable market share over Windows in the last 15 years and
especially in the last 4 years or so since Microsoft has released a new
version of Windows, Linux will never do it.

Linux is free and that's about the best that can be said for Linux.
So how is it that a free operating system that has a lot of application
programs included isn't generating excitement?
Free usually means a great interest, except when it pertains to Linux.
Why are people willing to fork over $200 for XP or Vista when Linux is
free?

The obvious answer is that Linux sucks.
Think about it.
People are just not interested in Linux.
Then think about Linux going down the proverbial drain just like OS/2
and BEOS have done.

Long live DOS!
Long live Linux!
Hurrah!

In a couple of months, Linux will become irrelevant.

How long have been Bill Gates bitch, dickwad? Get a life ahole.

 

[Kerry Brown]

Linux will never be dead until Windows Server's pull their act
together. I always opt for Linux servers when I get my web hosting.
Windows Servers are just too un reliable.

Apache has had more exploits than IIS over the past year. In my experience a
properly setup web server of either Linux or Windows is very reliable and
secure.

 

[P.]

'Twas brillig, and the slithy (e-mail address removed) did gyre and gimble in
the wabe:

Why are people willing to fork over $200 for XP or Vista when Linux is
free?

Ignorance.

P.

 

[Guest]

When Vista hits the streets Linux on the desktop will become a
has-been.

Last few weeks, I was thinking the opposite. With the enormous problems
Vista is going to create for users of legacy apps (read most users) plus the
difficulties for engineers in terms of in rolling it out or maintaining it, I
can see a lot of sysadmins thinking long and hard, 'Do we really want to go
down this pothole-strewn road, or should we look more carefully at the
alternatives before we commit ourselves?'

After all, Windows' dominance has in part depended on its continuity. The
knowledge that I can still run an app that was written in DOS days is
reassuring, it means I won't suddenly be left in a situation where I can't
run my business. Introducing Vista.. and suddenly that's no longer the case.
Under Vista, even recent 32-bit GUI apps may not work thanks to the crazy
filesystem-protection which even prevents admins from administering parts of
their OWN home folder!

No. What I see happening when OEMs start preinstalling Vista is a mass
re-evaluation of the position by business users. Linux will undoubtedly
benefit. Since product-activation will prevent users reverting to XP, we may
even see a resurgence of Windows 2000. As for home users, they're confused
enough by computers already, and vista's interface will only redouble that
confusion.

 

[Tim Smith]

Microsoft Vista is generating excitement amongst the Windows users,
which account for approximately 95 percent of the desktop users.

Not from what I've seen. Checking with people at work who use Windows,
I find a range from "I'll get it when it is the default bundled OS" to
"I'll get it if some game comes out that I really want to play and that
game requires it". I haven't found anyone who is excited about it.

 

[PowerUser]

<Troll alert>

 

[Guest]

The racist, liar and software thief cymon.says (flatfish) nymshifted:

< snip flatfish droppings >

Hi flatfish.
How is that open relay in beijing working? Good connection?

You are still that idiot you always have been in your nymshift frenzy

 

[Erik Funkenbusch]

The only reason that 95% of desktop users use Windows is because Microsoft
strikes deals with most of the major computer retailers so that every PC
shipped out the doors contains Windows. The end result? Most people end up
with Windows and learn to live with it.

That's probably the biggest weakness of the Linux business model. What OEM
wants to spend 4-10x the effort to make sure dozens of distros work with
their hardware when they can do it once, with one OS?

Remember, we're talking about companies that have to support their end
users. They have 1-3 year on-site waranties that cover both the OS and
Hardware. Dell, for example, sells a lot of 3 year support contracts.

So, you might think, pick one distro and be done with it? But which one?
Linux users are fickle, and distro loyalties seem to change overnight. One
month it's Red Hat, then it's SUSE, then it's Debian, than it's Ubuntu. It
all seems to depend on who leapfrogs whom, until the next one does the
same.

On the server, it's a little easier. There are only a handful of
"enterprise" server distro's, and they seem pretty stable. On the desktop
it's a totally different story. With Linux in such constant state of flux,
it's impossible for any vendor to choose just one and stick with it, at
last not if they don't want to lose most of their customers in 6 months.

And even if, by some miracle, the distro they choose is stable, and stays
somewhat popular, it's still only going to be somewhere between 15 and 30%
of the customers will want that distro, so you're stuck supporting multiple
ones.

That means training your support staff to handle multiple distro's.
Especially the front line grunts who aren't computer experts. They have to
know the difference between apt, and emerge, and rpm. They have to know
how configuration files are stored in different places on different
distro's.

The fact of the matter is, Linux is too volatile for standard OEM support,
and it's likely to stay that while for quite some time. And that, above
any other reason, is why OEM's will continue to support Windows as their
primary OS. Well, that and the fact that 95% of their customers want
Windows.

Linux might not have "appreciable market share over Windows in the last 15
years," but the amount of people using Linux continues to steadily rise.

As does the number of people using Windows and MacOS. That's what "share"
means, what percentage of the market is using your product, not how many
people.

The only reason that Linux doesn't generate as much excitement as Windows is
because of one word: Games. Windows has essentially become a gaming/internet
machine, that's why it has won the hearts of so many people. Glitz and glam.

Yeah, it's those pesky applications. Without them, Windows would be
nothing! (think about that)

 

[Erik Funkenbusch]

Not from what I've seen. Checking with people at work who use Windows,
I find a range from "I'll get it when it is the default bundled OS" to
"I'll get it if some game comes out that I really want to play and that
game requires it". I haven't found anyone who is excited about it.

There's a reason for that. XP is good enough.

Back when Windows 95 came out, people were lining up around the corner for
a midnight release. That's because Windows 3.x sucked so bad, and people
wanted desperately to get off it. (not desperately enough to run OS/2 or
Linux or switch to a Mac, mind you, but still pretty desperate).

You haven't seen users clamboring for the next version of Office each cycle
for quite some time either, but it's a slow migration.

Incidently, the fact that XP is "good enough" is also a huge hurdle Linux
adoption faces as well.

 

[altheim]

When Vista hits the streets Linux on the desktop will become a
has-been. The truth is that Linux has had 15 years of Microsoft's
blunders to gain the confidence of enough destkop users to make some
kind of impact on the desktop and it has failed to do so.

Microsoft Vista is generating excitement amongst the Windows users,
which account for approximately 95 percent of the desktop users.
PC Magazine, PCWorld and all the other main stream magazines devoted to
PC computing are filled with articles concerning Vista.

http://www.pcworld.com/
http://www.pcmag.com/


The excitement is building and when Vista hits the streets, it will be
the final nail in the Linux coffin because if Linux hasn't managed to
gain any appreciable market share over Windows in the last 15 years and
especially in the last 4 years or so since Microsoft has released a new
version of Windows, Linux will never do it.

Linux is free and that's about the best that can be said for Linux.
So how is it that a free operating system that has a lot of application
programs included isn't generating excitement?
Free usually means a great interest, except when it pertains to Linux.
Why are people willing to fork over $200 for XP or Vista when Linux is
free?

The obvious answer is that Linux sucks.
Think about it.
People are just not interested in Linux.
Then think about Linux going down the proverbial drain just like OS/2
and BEOS have done.

I think you do Linux an injustice. I've tried it and found it to be
stable and trustworthy. I actually believe that one reason for
its failure to attract home users is precisely because it is free -
free stuff tends to be distrusted and regarded as hobbyist.
Free stuff does not come with insurance, help or support.

People like to swin with the tide even though they may claim
to hate conforming to standards so they will stick with Windows.

Anyway, I could never be bothered with diversity - it can be
very expensive.

 

[Roy Culley]

begin risky.vbs

That's probably the biggest weakness of the Linux business model.
What OEM wants to spend 4-10x the effort to make sure dozens of
distros work with their hardware when they can do it once, with one
OS?
FUD

Remember, we're talking about companies that have to support their
end users. They have 1-3 year on-site waranties that cover both the
OS and Hardware. Dell, for example, sells a lot of 3 year support
contracts.

So, you might think, pick one distro and be done with it? But which
one?

More FUD

Linux users are fickle, and distro loyalties seem to change
overnight.

Yet more FUD. Most people will just stick with the OS that comes with
their PC and is supported by the OEM

One month it's Red Hat, then it's SUSE, then it's Debian, than it's
Ubuntu. It all seems to depend on who leapfrogs whom, until the
next one does the same.

There will of course be some new Linux users that want to try other
distros. If they have problems with other distros they can go back to
the supplied with their PC. Before you say that is too much hassle it
is no different than people having to reinstall Windows because it has
become irretrievably infested or suffered the famous bit rot.

On the server, it's a little easier. There are only a handful of
"enterprise" server distro's, and they seem pretty stable. On the
desktop it's a totally different story. With Linux in such constant
state of flux, it's impossible for any vendor to choose just one and
stick with it, at last not if they don't want to lose most of their
customers in 6 months.

And even if, by some miracle, the distro they choose is stable, and
stays somewhat popular, it's still only going to be somewhere
between 15 and 30% of the customers will want that distro, so you're
stuck supporting multiple ones.

The same old FUD. Most people just want a PC to work. They don't care
what OS it is running.

[snip]

More tiresome FUD. You are as clueless about what users want as you
are about security.

 

[altheim]

Linux won't become a has-been until Microsoft becomes a has-been. They
both have their loyal user bases.


The only reason that 95% of desktop users use Windows is because Microsoft
strikes deals with most of the major computer retailers so that every PC
shipped out the doors contains Windows.

I'm not convinced. It may be true that most major computer retailers earn
discounts for preloading Windows and why not - it's good business and
what average home user would want a computer that doesn't work the
moment it is switched on.

So why don't they sell boxes with Linux instead. After all, it's free to
them so discount offers become irrelevant. I'll tell you why - Linux is
bloody hard work. Frightening for newbies and costly for retailers
as the responsibility for support would fall to them.

The end result? Most people end up with Windows and learn to live with it.

A much easier learning curve than with Linux.

Linux might not have "appreciable market share over Windows in the last 15
years," but the amount of people using Linux continues to steadily rise.

Guluk to Linux then. I think it is a far better OS than early incarnations
of Windows. It remains to be seen whether it is better than Vista.

 

[7]

micoshaft asstroturfer (e-mail address removed) wrote on behalf of micoshaft:

When Vista hits the streets Linux on the desktop will become

The best show stopper ever to put down micoshaft.
http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com

Micoshaft and their paid asstroturfers and windope zealots stink.

I can run Knoppix, Mepis etc, Linux on a 750MHz AMD Duron PC
I can burn a 4Gb DVD (14,000+ files), and Listen to uninterrupted MP3 Music
and AT THE SAME TIME copy 2Gb of files through network card and
write to the SAME HARD DISK AT THE SAME TIME.

Can vista crap do any of that? Not a chance.

On same machine, if I want 3D windows, I can run Big Linux.
Full 3D windows placed at various distances and angles at various
translucencies. Not even Hollywood has shown off such
advanced technology in their movies yet.

Or how about if you are a student, you can run up Quantian or Knoppix
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Where can I can get all this for free now?
http://www.livecdlist.com