Vista Audio Solution - What You Hear

[Robert Neville]

Many of you may have been as frustrated as myself by Micrsoft bowing to the RIAA
and pressuring the soundcard manufacturers to remove the "What You Hear" feature
from their drivers. This supposedly prevents you from recording web radio and
other sound card audio.

The short term workaround has been to loop the line out audio back around into
the line in jack. While this works, it's a kludge.

The good news is that Version 7 of Total Recorder (just released) now comes with
a true kernal mode driver that restores the capability to do direct recordings.

http://www.highcriteria.com/

(No connection to these guys other that I've been a registered user for several
years.)

 

[Cameron Snyder]

That is an interesting scenario about the RIAA pressuring manufacturers of
sound cards and Microsoft. Sounds like the ranting of a disgruntled
copyright violator. I think you made it up or listened to someone else who
made it up.

You can still record what you hear and the kludge of patching a cable to
line-in was never required. It's now called stereo mix. It only has to be
enabled and set up as a recording source as it and several others are
disabled by default. I wonder if that was due to pressure from the RIAA?
Only after approval of homeland security.

Right-click speaker icon, choose recording source, right click blank space
in window, choose show disabled devices.

 

[Steve Thackery]

Right-click speaker icon, choose recording source, right click blank space

in window, choose show disabled devices.

Doesn't work for me. Still no "stereo mix". :-(

I'd love to get this working - it's a damn nuisance at the moment. Any
other thoughts?

SteveT

 

[Cameron Snyder]

Maybe you are using digital spdif output?? Only other thought is that your
driver/hardware is not providing you the virtual input sources. I have
onboard Realtek AC '97 Audio, Driver 10/2006, digital output capable but not
enabled. This is not a high-end or recent set up. Recording sources
available are virtual(Stereo Mix, Mono Mix) Actual(CD/Video in, Aux/line in
2, Line in, phone line and Microphone).

 

[Robert Neville]

You can still record what you hear and the kludge of patching a cable to
line-in was never required. It's now called stereo mix. It only has to be
enabled and set up as a recording source as it and several others are
disabled by default.

Nice try, but there is no standard name for capturing a recording source, Stereo
Mix, Wave Out, What You Hear and other names have all been used by various sound
card manufacturers.

Right-click speaker icon, choose recording source, right click blank space
in window, choose show disabled devices.

This only works for certain older RealTek drivers. In some cases, people have
been sucessful in installing XP drivers in Vista. This is obviously not a good
long term solution.

 

[Cameron Snyder]

Nice try, but there is no standard name for capturing a recording source,
Stereo
Mix, Wave Out, What You Hear and other names have all been used by various
sound
card manufacturers.

This is irrelevant, but in XP the same hardware that said 'what you hear'
now in Vista says 'Stereo Mix'. Moot moot moot.The point is you need to
enable the source you can't use. If there is no source for you to enable
fine, your hardware sucks. It's not a Vista/Mcrsft/RIAA edict that caused
that.

This only works for certain older RealTek drivers. In some cases, people
have
been sucessful in installing XP drivers in Vista. This is obviously not a
good
long term solution.

Actually, this works with the most recent driver as well, it's just that
Windows Update kept nagging me with this version of the driver even when I
had a newer version installed. Since there is no functional difference for
me between the versions, like with any nag, I say OK, fine.

 

[V Green]

This is irrelevant, but in XP the same hardware that said 'what you hear'
now in Vista says 'Stereo Mix'. Moot moot moot.The point is you need to
enable the source you can't use. If there is no source for you to enable
fine, your hardware sucks. It's not a Vista/Mcrsft/RIAA edict that caused
that.

Not true. If you dig down, WAAYY down, to the sound system chipset
specs, you will find that the HARDWARE is, and has always been,
capable of this. It is a choice that is made to write a driver
that does not fully support the hardware that does away with the
capability. If the sound hardware is working AT ALL, it is likely
capable of a loopback record within itself (i.e. - not requiring you to
patch Line Out to Line In [aka Full Duplex]).

AFAIK, "What U Hear" is Creative's name for this, other names
(Stereo Mix) seem to apply to Sound Max, Analog Devices, and others
using the 'AC97 chipsets. Creative tends to use their own silicon
(or at least used to - I haven't used their stuff in years since the Live!
hardware debacle of several years ago) and do things their own way.

 

[Steve Thackery]

Recording sources available are virtual(Stereo Mix, Mono Mix)

Actual(CD/Video in, Aux/line in 2, Line in, phone line and Microphone).

Thanks, Cameron. My list of recording devices is completely different:
microphone, microphone, line in, SPDIF (disabled).

Playback devices are: speakers, headphones, SPDIF (disabled).

Obviously no virtual inputs at all.

I'm not sure what actual chipset I've got on this motherboard. In Device
Manager it just calls it "High Definition Audio Device" and gives a driver
version of 6.0.6000.16386.

I can make a little loopback device for now, but I would like to chase it
down if possible.

Thanks for your help.

SteveT

 

[Robert Neville]

I'm not sure what actual chipset I've got on this motherboard. In Device
Manager it just calls it "High Definition Audio Device"

That's the generic Windows driver. You should also see something labeled High
Definition Audio CODEC. The codec is the one you want to look at.

 

[Cameron Snyder]

I'm sorry it didn't work for you. It is the easiest standard way to enable
as shown here:

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/01/15/how-to-enable-wave-out-recording-in-vista/Check out this fairly recent thread. I didn't read all the posts but manyare in your boat so you may find some other workarounds:http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1005274&SiteID=1"Steve Thackery" <[email protected]> wrote in messageRecording sources available are virtual(Stereo Mix, Mono Mix)Actual(CD/Video in, Aux/line in 2, Line in, phone line and Microphone).>> Thanks, Cameron. My list of recording devices is completely different:microphone, microphone, line in, SPDIF (disabled).>> Playback devices are: speakers, headphones, SPDIF (disabled).>> Obviously no virtual inputs at all.>> I'm not sure what actual chipset I've got on this motherboard. In DeviceManager it just calls it "High Definition Audio Device" and gives a driverversion of 6.0.6000.16386.>> I can make a little loopback device for now, but I would like to chase itdown if possible.>> Thanks for your help.>> SteveT

 

[Cameron Snyder]

Wow the formatting was all jacked up, sorry. Try it again

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/01/15/how-to-enable-wave-out-recording-in-vista/

http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1005274&SiteID=1

 

[Nonny]

Nice try, but there is no standard name for capturing a recording source,
Stereo
Mix, Wave Out, What You Hear and other names have all been used by various
sound
card manufacturers.

This is irrelevant, but in XP the same hardware that said 'what you hear'
now in Vista says 'Stereo Mix'. Moot moot moot. [snip]

Are you talking about a particular audio card? On my system (I bought
a PCI Soundblaster audio card because my Realtek drivers weren't fully
Vista compatible) it's "What you hear".

 

[Cameron Snyder]

This is irrelevant, but in XP the same hardware that said 'what you hear'
now in Vista says 'Stereo Mix'. Moot moot moot. [snip]

Are you talking about a particular audio card? On my system (I bought
a PCI Soundblaster audio card because my Realtek drivers weren't fully
Vista compatible) it's "What you hear".

Well there you go. A rose truly is a rose no matter what you call it and you
can obviously record what you hear as well with a SoundBlaster card in
Vista.

 

[Kurt Herman]

My SB Audigy on Vista Home Premium 32 bit also has "what you hear" available
as a recording input.

Kurt

This is irrelevant, but in XP the same hardware that said 'what you
hear'
now in Vista says 'Stereo Mix'. Moot moot moot. [snip]

Are you talking about a particular audio card? On my system (I bought
a PCI Soundblaster audio card because my Realtek drivers weren't fully
Vista compatible) it's "What you hear".

Well there you go. A rose truly is a rose no matter what you call it and
you can obviously record what you hear as well with a SoundBlaster card in
Vista.

 

[gigma40]

Wow the formatting was all jacked up, sorry. Try it again

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/01/15/how-to-enable-wave-out-recording-in-vista/

http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1005274&SiteID=1

 

[gigma40]

these sites no longer work. Have tried several times and still the same
result. Is it possible to correct this so we can access this most valuable
info propvider by our esteemed comrade.cheers gig

 

[Bob Dobbs]

The RIAA has been pressuring manufacturers. I haven't heard of them pressuring Microsoft though. This is not a disgruntled copyright infringer. The RIAA is putting pressure wherever they can. Manufacturers like sony and connexant admit that this is the cause that their products dont have this stereo out mix. However, in some rare cases, there is an issue with windows Vista that causes an issue. But ultimately, the blame is put on the hardware manufacturer's drivers not working in vista.

Your method works if you have a device that does not require a driver that has the stereo-out mix feature taken out. As an active IT professional and support technician, I can clearly say this RIAA thing is true. On some dell computers, people have done registry tweaks and used LG drivers to resolve the issue. However, connexant audio devices don't always have a solution besides using a patch cable (Especially in Vista). Some can use software to develop a makeshift stereo out mix, but those solutions usually only work in windows XP. The software grabs the audio before it hits the sound card by creating a virtual sound card in between and then the virtual card can send the audio wherever it wants.

The problem with this method is that Vista is not friendly about unsigned drivers and most of this software uses unsigned drivers to work. I am still looking for the solution for my laptop, but the only solution I have found so far is buying a new audio card that does support stereo-out mix in vista. Realtek and a few others have this feature still in their devices, and next generation connexant cards may have it again as well. I am not sure, but we will see what happens when connexant releases their new audio hardware come September of this year.

 

[Kevin Harper]

Dear Sir,
We are losing sound quality when we use microphone to speaker loop as described on your email to egghead site dated 31 May 2008. We are looking to capture both video and audio within the same file.

Are you aware of a solution or is there a multi-sound card driver (what you hear)for vista and or XP without using the loop and without downloading drivers for every sound card?

Your help will be very much appreciated.

Kevin

 

[Gordon]

Dear Sir,
We are losing sound quality when we use microphone to speaker loop as
described on your email to egghead site dated 31 May 2008. We are looking
to capture both video and audio within the same file.

Are you aware of a solution or is there a multi-sound card driver (what
you hear)for vista and or XP without using the loop and without
downloading drivers for every sound card?

Your help will be very much appreciated.

Kevin

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[Malke]

Dear Sir,
We are losing sound quality when we use microphone to speaker loop as
described on your email to egghead site dated 31 May 2008. We are looking
to capture both video and audio within the same file.

Are you aware of a solution or is there a multi-sound card driver (what
you hear)for vista and or XP without using the loop and without
downloading drivers for every sound card?

Your help will be very much appreciated.

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