Vista and fonts and size changes

[Guest]

Ok, for people who DO care to help instead of calling me a stupid {green
newbie who knows ZIP about computers"...I'll just ask ONE of the questions I
included in a previous post. I type something in a font, and when click to
transfer it to a website (e.g. MySpace, etc.) the font is downsized. When I
open an application in which I typed a fond, it, suddenly, without me doing a
thing, is larger than when I typed it. This never happened in all FOUR YEARS
I've used a computer. True, I don't know html but I've always received kind
assistance before. Stupid me, I mentioned a different program last time!

(If you want to insult me, don't bother writing me again or I'll report you.
And I thank you sooo much for adding to the depression I already have from an
illness.)

I'm just a nice human being (woman not guy, by the way) looking for help
here. Please, anyone who might know an answer, I'd appreciate your
assistance.

Thank you.

 

[Malke]

Ok, for people who DO care to help instead of calling me a stupid {green
newbie who knows ZIP about computers"...I'll just ask ONE of the questions I
included in a previous post. I type something in a font, and when click to
transfer it to a website (e.g. MySpace, etc.) the font is downsized. When I
open an application in which I typed a fond, it, suddenly, without me doing a
thing, is larger than when I typed it. This never happened in all FOUR YEARS
I've used a computer. True, I don't know html but I've always received kind
assistance before. Stupid me, I mentioned a different program last time!

(snippage)

Please see my response to your post, subject line "nastiness". That
addresses what this group is and gives you suggestions as to what to do
and where to get help that will suit you. It also explains why there is
no place to "report" anyone. This is Usenet and is unmoderated.

The reason you are having problems with the fonts is two-fold:

1. The program you are using to create your website is not compatible
with Vista. Vista is your operating system. Programs must be compatible
(work) with the operating system in which they are used. Yours is not.
You need to find a program that works with Vista. See my previous post
in your other thread ("nastiness") for more details.

2. Fonts are handled differently on the web than they are in a text
program such as Notepad, Word Pad, or a word processor. Again, you are
using a program to create your website that is not compatible with Vista
so anything it does that is funky is to be expected. You need to use a
program to make your website that works with Vista.

Again, I am not trying to hurt your feelings. Please take the time to
read my previous answer to you.


Malke

 

[DP]

Ok, for people who DO care to help instead of calling me a stupid {green
newbie who knows ZIP about computers

In one of your first posts, you said this about yourself: "(sorry, I'm just

really a computer idiot)"

You called yourself that. So please go easy on those who might have agreed
with you.

 

[felmon davis]

1. The program you are using to create your website is not compatible
with Vista. Vista is your operating system. Programs must be compatible
(work) with the operating system in which they are used. Yours is not.
You need to find a program that works with Vista. See my previous post
in your other thread ("nastiness") for more details.

I don't understand this response quite and maybe clarification would help
the OP (Leeza, that's you).

here's what I don't get: one problem she is having is that the paths to
the image files are incorrect, at least, that seems the best guess.

isn't the solution simply to log into the website and correct the paths?
for all I know, there is a setting on her software on her own computer
which gives her options on what to set the paths to.

this doesn't seem related to the operating system per se.

now, Leeza, a _big_ problem is that you don't understand a lot of what you
are doing. if you don't understand this gibberish about 'paths', I think
you would do best to find a person in your physical vicinity who does,
have her do some fixing up on your webpages and provide you a little
face-to-face instruction.

the stuff is not very complex, frankly, but it really _seems_ that way
when you have to learn by _reading_ instead of show and tell.

my apologies if I am misunderstanding the basic predicament.

and, Leeza, from the posts I read responding to you, the guys _were_ being
nice, by newsgroup standards! you are upset because you are stuck with a
big problem (may not really be so big but it is when one's knowledge is
small). folks were just giving their take on the issue as they understood
it. hang around, they aren't so bad.

(the rough trade hang out in 'advocacy groups' though you see some of that
here too.)

btw: I suspect the font problem is also a 'html' kind of thing. if you (or
a trusted know-it-all) could log in and correct the tags, it would be
fixed). looking at the website (Vodahost - is that right?), I see they
have ftp so one should be able to log in and rummage around.

Felmon

 

[DP]

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:12:53 -0700, Malke wrote:


here's what I don't get: one problem she is having is that the paths to
the image files are incorrect, at least, that seems the best guess.

Felmon: I don't know if you saw the OP's ORIGINAL original post. I call it
that because she's floated this topic now in two or three different subject
headings. The subject was: "Vista seems to have messed up my web building
site."

If I recall, perhaps incorrectly, the problem was with the paths on her
computer. She moved all of her web-building files from one computer to
another. I assume she's talking about replicating her web page on her
computer. In other words you build the page on your computer with all the
links etc and then move everything online to your host site.
The problem is on her computer when a page says to go find a picture in
Directory X or Y it can't find them. Everything worked fine on her old
computer, but when she moved it all to the new one, the links aren't working
any more. At least, that's my recollection and understanding of the original
post. So it's more than just a case of going online and correcting the paths
there.

isn't the solution simply to log into the website and correct the paths?
for all I know, there is a setting on her software on her own computer
which gives her options on what to set the paths to.

this doesn't seem related to the operating system per se.

now, Leeza, a _big_ problem is that you don't understand a lot of what you
are doing. if you don't understand this gibberish about 'paths', I think
you would do best to find a person in your physical vicinity who does,
have her do some fixing up on your webpages and provide you a little
face-to-face instruction.

the stuff is not very complex, frankly, but it really _seems_ that way
when you have to learn by _reading_ instead of show and tell.

That was pretty much my advice, the first answer given to the original
original post. Then read her response (where I'm referred to as "the guy
before") and see how much she appreciated that. I wish you better luck.

 

[felmon davis]

[...]
If I recall, perhaps incorrectly, the problem was with the paths on her
computer. She moved all of her web-building files from one computer to
another. I assume she's talking about replicating her web page on her
computer. In other words you build the page on your computer with all the
links etc and then move everything online to your host site.
The problem is on her computer when a page says to go find a picture in
Directory X or Y it can't find them. Everything worked fine on her old
computer, but when she moved it all to the new one, the links aren't working
any more. At least, that's my recollection and understanding of the original
post. So it's more than just a case of going online and correcting the paths
there.

I did read it but you clarify the situation tremendously: I thought the
problem was transferring her pages from her computer to the online site
but you say it's transferring her pages from one computer to another. I
think we are still, so to speak, on the same page: she has to fix the path
variables.

That was pretty much my advice, the first answer given to the original
original post. Then read her response (where I'm referred to as "the guy
before") and see how much she appreciated that. I wish you better luck.

well, she was upset so perhaps not too receptive, plus she is unused to
the tone of these groups.

Leeza, I hope you find a fix for the webpage problem.

Felmon

 

[DP]

well, she was upset so perhaps not too receptive, plus she is unused to
the tone of these groups.

Well, I would concede that the guy who replied after me (I ain't mentioning
any names) wasn't very nice. I think I got caught in the blowback.

What she wants to do will require some very specific, change-by-change
advice, the kind best given over the phone. I don't think customer support
at bluevoda was very helpful to her. If there's someone here who knows how
to fix what she needs to fix and is willing to talk to her long distance for
a while, that might be her path out of this problem.

 

[Adam Albright]

Well, I would concede that the guy who replied after me (I ain't mentioning
any names) wasn't very nice. I think I got caught in the blowback.

What she wants to do will require some very specific, change-by-change
advice, the kind best given over the phone. I don't think customer support
at bluevoda was very helpful to her. If there's someone here who knows how
to fix what she needs to fix and is willing to talk to her long distance for
a while, that might be her path out of this problem.

People don't know HOW to ask questions. The OP's question was along
the lines of... hi, I'm a idiot when it comes to research, but I want
to find a cure for Cancer anyway, can somebody walk me through the
steps I have to do?

Bluevoda is one of several cookie cutter type make it on the fly web
creation applications. The OP has zero knowledge about HTML or
anything for that matter regarding how to create web sites, yet
excepts serious hand holding in the WRONG newsgroup to do something
that isn't supported in the application she said she was using and of
course blamed Vista for the problem.

The irony is there is plenty of online help available.

http://www.vodahost.com/vodatalk/ad...e/77-how-install-templates-into-bluevoda.html

So, you have somebody coming to the wrong newsgroup, blaming Vista,
refusing to help herself and then pouting over it.

Amazing. Amazingly stupid in my opinion.

There is also a forum:

http://www.vodahost.com/vodatalk/index.php

I have ZERO sympathy for people that don't even bother to try to help
themselves.

 

[Guest]

Malke,

I am terribly sorry. I read that paragraph as if you were not just talking
to me, but to the general newsgroup who might read many of your posts. When
you wrote

<<<You're wasting your time. This guy is a green as grass newbie that
doesn't know zip about HTML authoring and is using BlueVoda, one of
many drag and drop automatic web building applications that creates
some quick cookie cutter type web site. I found his original post in a
forum to learn that much. His problem is two fold. BlueVoda isn't
supported in Vista, and even if it was all they "free" services tie
everything into to one computer on a per host account basis. The only
way to replace what you had if you get a new computer is start over
otherwise all the linkage will be wrong as he discovered >>>

I truly thought you meant me. I hope you can see how I thought
that...perhaps not. But I know now that I misinterpreted you, and thought
that your "I don't mean to be mean" but...was kind of a joke on me. Please
forgive me.

I do now understand some of what you are referring to, and will take it up
with Vodahost once again. They KNEW I had Vista. Didn't say a word. I also
know I signed up so they must be the group that hosts my page, so I don't
know how I can get out of that. But forgive my naievity as well, html and
learning paths were not part of what they said needed to be done to "build my
website in half an hour." It's been an entire year that I've been working on
it. And yes, either you or DP suggested I hand it to someone local to help.
I definitely agree. I must say though, through all my trial/error I have
learned quite a bit.

I will also ask any web questions in an area meant for that once I find it.
Again, I am sorry, and now it's ok to call me an idiot. :-(

Leeza

 

[Guest]

Ok felmon and DP,

I am terribly sorry, and embarrassed! You were telling me that the GUY who
TOLD me what I quoted here knew zip etc etc, not ME. I originally understood
it that you were insulting ME. Saying "this guy", somehow I felt you were
speaking to the group I wrote this in, not just directly to me, which is
where my confusion came. Please accept my apology.

 

[Frank]

I have ZERO sympathy for people that don't even bother to try to help
themselves.

And we all have zero sympathy for a drunken fool like you who refuses to
get help.
Frank

 

[Malke]

Malke,

I am terribly sorry. I read that paragraph as if you were not just talking
to me, but to the general newsgroup who might read many of your posts. When
you wrote

<<<You're wasting your time. This guy is a green as grass newbie that
doesn't know zip about HTML authoring and is using BlueVoda, one of
many drag and drop automatic web building applications that creates
some quick cookie cutter type web site. I found his original post in a
forum to learn that much. His problem is two fold. BlueVoda isn't
supported in Vista, and even if it was all they "free" services tie
everything into to one computer on a per host account basis. The only
way to replace what you had if you get a new computer is start over
otherwise all the linkage will be wrong as he discovered >>>

Actually, I didn't write that at all. You're quoting another poster.

I truly thought you meant me. I hope you can see how I thought
that...perhaps not. But I know now that I misinterpreted you, and thought
that your "I don't mean to be mean" but...was kind of a joke on me. Please
forgive me.

Again, I didn't write that so you most definitely misinterpreted what I
said because it wasn't that!

I do now understand some of what you are referring to, and will take it up
with Vodahost once again. They KNEW I had Vista. Didn't say a word. I also
know I signed up so they must be the group that hosts my page, so I don't
know how I can get out of that. But forgive my naievity as well, html and
learning paths were not part of what they said needed to be done to "build my
website in half an hour." It's been an entire year that I've been working on
it. And yes, either you or DP suggested I hand it to someone local to help.
I definitely agree. I must say though, through all my trial/error I have
learned quite a bit.

I will also ask any web questions in an area meant for that once I find it.
Again, I am sorry, and now it's ok to call me an idiot. :-(

I don't think it's nice to call people idiots because they don't know
computer stuff. The thing for you to do is to get a basic understanding
of what you want to do - have a website - and then do it. So the
suggestions for you to get some simple tutorials so you would have a
better understanding of how to make your webpages and get them up
somewhere were good ones. If you can find someone locally who will come
over and explain How Things Work without getting unduly complicated,
that is a good idea, too.

Good luck to you and seriously think about visiting Computer Haven. It's
a forum where you will be comfortable and get the help you need. Here's
the link again - www.computerhaven.info.


Malke

 

[DP]

So, you have somebody coming to the wrong newsgroup, blaming Vista,
refusing to help herself and then pouting over it.

Adam: Thanks for coming to Vista's defense!

 

[Paul Randall]

Hi, Leeza
By now, I think you understand how easy it is to get misinformation and
misunderstanding in newsgroups. You kind of have to sort out the good and
the bad. You have to 'hang out' in the newsgroup to get a feel for which
posters are generally giving good info and which ones don't. MVP's
generally give good info but anybody can be wrong or not completely up to
day or misunderstand what you need.

I see you have posted on the Voda website and are getting some good info.
Personally, think it is possible that the BlueVoda software is not
completely compatible with Vista; if it were fully compatible I would think
that fact would be prominently displayed. I didn't see it on any of the
pages I could access without logging in. Because there are so many updates
coming out for Vista, it is possible that Vista is the problem.

One piece of info you got at Voda I think is wrong, namely "... Vista allows
the consumer only 3 loads before you are forced to pop for a new package".
I don't think there is any such limit.

-Paul Randall

 

[Guest]

-Ok, I've read all of your posts- and an idiot I am NOT. I was trying to
lighten things up- LOL in my face there, hmm?? I will tell you that I've had
illness and have what's called "fibro fog"..it comes with having
fibromyalgia, so sometimes, unfortunately I do not think clearly, but only
realize after the fact that this was the case in some situations. It's quite
embarrassing.

I will explain just a bit about why I have now spent one YEAR working on my
website, - but take a look - how many posts have I made here? Perhaps one,
perhaps six months or a year ago. You don't know one bit how many times I've
gone to the BV forum to help myself, ADAM.

And just suppose, ADAM that the guy you (sorry DP & Malke)- did call a
know-nothing blah blah blah was my fiancee or something. Actually, he IS a
friend, and has helped me on MANY occasions. Perhaps he's wrong here, but
I'm not going to give him hell if it turns out he is. There is a lot he DOES
know.

I have been given wrong information in BV before as well as lack of
informaton - (there's the blaming again! oh my.). I needed a website because
my only chance of "making it" is to work at home. This was a builder I chose
BECAUSE it advertised "you could have your website up in as little as 1/2 an
hour"..something like that. It said I did NOT need to know html or any other
special things. Of course, I know now that one needs quite a bit of web
building knowledge if they want to make any site work, through a
build-it-yourself program or whatever else. I could have been just an
ordinary person who knew nothing but how to type, from the way the ad read.
And true, I knew NOTHING of building a site. Vodahost, in their tutorials
did not tell me many, many things- just a couple examples- of their own
mistakes: once I had ALL my pages finished, someone, a forum friend,
suggested I use php for my menu, so I changed all that. Voda never mentioned
it (of course I have NOT looked at each and every post. In my opinion, it
would save people much work and assure linking is done properly (I love
it!), and I believe they should have run a tutorial on that.

Also, they did not tell me, once I changed everything to php that some
fonts were not compatible with the web, and of course I'd written absolotely
everything in the wrong fonts. Now in that case, in my opinion, that should
have been written LOUD and CLEAR before anyone started building anything. So
I know they have been wrong. But they, too are human. And believe me, if I
knew this would end up taking me a year, and I'm STILL not published, I would
have found SOME way to pay someone, or not tried at all. I would bet almost
every do-it-yourself program assumes people know more than they really do.
If you went into the forum, you would see that there ARE lots of people just
like me (i.e.never took a class in computers.) But, SSD doesn't offer me
much compensation, what can I say.

I have had two other computers this year, thanks to my kid spilling his coke
on one, and another dropping off its stand (not my fault) - and I moved the
BV info I'd saved on a hard drive over to two new computers. Then borrowed a
computer, which was so old and slow, I just caved and bought a new one. And
of course, now everything has Vista (oops I mean everything I saw.) The BV
files transferred fine from the external drive I had, over to ALL THREE
previous computers, without ANY problem. So I felt had a logical reason for
"blaming" Vista. Actually I said VISTA SEEMS TO...but regardless of my
phrasing, I shouldn't have jumped the gun, but I do believe at least some of
this is a Vista problem. If I'm wrong, so be it. I wouldn't know where to
write my apology, not that anyone would read it if I did.

When I look through others who write here, not everyone is brilliant. I'm
sorry- I truly meant that apology I wrote in a previous post- but I guess you
wanted to dig into me after that, Adam. Fine.

And also for Adam, who I quote here:

"hi, I'm a idiot when it comes to research, but I want
to find a cure for Cancer anyway, can somebody walk me through the
steps I have to do?

Why don't you go get a near-terminal illness and come back from it so you
learn how to treat people. I DID have cancer stage 3 no less.. It's nothing
EVEN CLOSE to the kind of question I asked here. It seems that more and more
people on this planet have just decided they are better than others for no
good reason. No wonder there's a song about being taught to be cynical.
Adam, you need to take a look at the way you treat people. And KNOW that
what you give out will always come back at you.

My thanks to those of you who were understanding and forgivening. Feldman,
Paul R., Malke, DP (did I miss someone?)- believe me, I've gone to the BV
forum more times than I can count, know it well, (oops better rephrase that-
I know much the basics, and some but not nearly all) and know that THIS was
something people there just simply didn't have an answer for. And before I
came here, I contacted BV Support, Toshiba, and Microsoft Support directly.
EVERYONE blamed the other. My problem is not in how to add templates, but
some could be the path items. I'm not afraid to admit that I do not
understand paths, for sure. Do any of you (nice) gentlemen know a home study
program that would help me? I think one of you mentioned something but can't
seem to find it now) I know I do need one, as my site became much bigger than
I intended, and I plan, once it's up and running, to make it even double the
size it is now, if not larger.

After coming into this forum, I even started a new page from scratch, added
new photos I'd never used, put in my font (verdana) and did a preview of what
it would look like- this time, my colors were there, in the proper positions,
as were my pictures, but fonts were stillo two or three sizes smaller. I went
into the Windows toolbar and ticked VIEW and changed fonts to "larger", as
well. They still would not print properly on the web, just in my building
pages- oh yes, in HOTMAIL and in MYSPACE, too. So I know this is not a
compatibility issue when it comes to the font problems, at least.

I will call Microsoft again and ask about the "3x you're out" deal. Will let
you know when I'm SURE of that answer.

Anyway, I hope all of you have a great day. As bad as one can be for me,
insults, bad health and all, I make it a point to find something or do
something so I can say "this day was GOOD." And now I'm just going to forget
about the web and watch Zorro with my boy for the fourth time! (and imagine
who I'd enjoy using his sword on.)

In BV, I made quite a few good internet friends. I hope that happens here.
Someday perhaps I will.

P.S. If any of you DO know someone who (soon)has the time to help me (as I
mentioned in my first post there are "regulars" in BV), not necessarily all
at once, please let me know. I need to find it again, but did find an icon
for "information sharing" which would allow someone of my choosing to look
into my computer to see what's going on. Everything personal is in my
external drive. (wink.)

 

[felmon davis]

People don't know HOW to ask questions. The OP's question was along the
lines of... hi, I'm a idiot when it comes to research, but I want to
find a cure for Cancer anyway, can somebody walk me through the steps I
have to do?

well, this thread is probably dead but I want to say I agree that people
do not know how to ask questions.

but here's where we part ways:

Bluevoda is one of several cookie cutter type make it on the fly web
creation applications. The OP has zero knowledge about HTML or anything
for that matter regarding how to create web sites, yet excepts serious
hand holding in the WRONG newsgroup to do something that isn't supported
in the application she said she was using and of course blamed Vista for
the problem.

The irony is there is plenty of online help available.

http://www.vodahost.com/vodatalk/ad...e/77-how-install-templates-into-bluevoda.html

So, you have somebody coming to the wrong newsgroup, blaming Vista,
refusing to help herself and then pouting over it.

Amazing. Amazingly stupid in my opinion.

I find that in most circumstances when their car fails, most people do not
run screaming in a white panic but when their computer fails, they can go
ballistic.

I am not sure why that is but I have seen it often. in a panic they fail
to ask reasoned questions and they will rush into forums and let off the
steam of frustration.

it may or may not be 'stupid' but it is a sign they need education (unless
they are just being a troll) and calling them 'stupid' isn't helpful to
providing that education.

I am sure you have experienced that, the panicked user. you calm them down
and then give them some clues.

There is also a forum:

http://www.vodahost.com/vodatalk/index.php

I have ZERO sympathy for people that don't even bother to try to help
themselves.

I notice the OP says she used the forums but a lot of people I know don't
even _know_ about forums! maybe that is part of the cause of the panic:
they don't know where to go, they don't know the resources.

and you know how difficult it is to explain to people in writing things
which in 'show and tell' are pretty simple? some people simply don't know
the 'online culture' and find it difficult at first to grasp the medium,
to understand what is explained in forums and such. especially, again, in
the white heat of panic and time-constrained stress.

not sure if the OP got her problem fixed, hope she does. maybe someday
computers actually will be simple to use (or maybe we will be more like
computers ourselves).

Felmon